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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, but something may be afoot with the "leaked" future price of the D100 being substantially less than the supposed D60 price.

Let's think back to the G2's release and Nikon's announcement of the total vapor-product CP5000. All the reviewers bit on the "pre-production sample" and produced these "hands on reviews" with no image samples allowed (and later we saw why). All this was intended to stall sales of the G2, and it worked for some. Then the 5000 was very late and pitifully lackluster.

Now we have the D100. Nikon is going to be very late (and I'll eat my hat if you see this thing in June), at least much later than the D60. So they have to do something.

Here's an idea, the sneaky Nikon marketing dept probably thought... get retailers to post an "unofficial" price for pre-orders that is substantially less than the D60. That might get people to wait. Then they still might be able to get by without letting people see sample images from their newest vapor product.

And the reviewers play into Nikon's hands once again as unwitting pawns in Nikon's brilliant marketing scheme.

Think I'm full of beans? Wait and see, folks. If you can buy a D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one.--Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
 
Sounds good to me.
Mook
Bryan Siverly said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, but something may be
afoot with the "leaked" future price of the D100 being
substantially less than the supposed D60 price.

Let's think back to the G2's release and Nikon's announcement of
the total vapor-product CP5000. All the reviewers bit on the
"pre-production sample" and produced these "hands on reviews" with
no image samples allowed (and later we saw why). All this was
intended to stall sales of the G2, and it worked for some. Then
the 5000 was very late and pitifully lackluster.

Now we have the D100. Nikon is going to be very late (and I'll eat
my hat if you see this thing in June), at least much later than the
D60. So they have to do something.

Here's an idea, the sneaky Nikon marketing dept probably thought...
get retailers to post an "unofficial" price for pre-orders that is
substantially less than the D60. That might get people to wait.
Then they still might be able to get by without letting people see
sample images from their newest vapor product.

And the reviewers play into Nikon's hands once again as unwitting
pawns in Nikon's brilliant marketing scheme.

Think I'm full of beans? Wait and see, folks. If you can buy a
D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one.
--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
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I only hope Nikon does so I can get a free camera. Please send mine in an unopened box. :)

Allan
Bryan Siverly said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, but something may be
afoot with the "leaked" future price of the D100 being
substantially less than the supposed D60 price.

Let's think back to the G2's release and Nikon's announcement of
the total vapor-product CP5000. All the reviewers bit on the
"pre-production sample" and produced these "hands on reviews" with
no image samples allowed (and later we saw why). All this was
intended to stall sales of the G2, and it worked for some. Then
the 5000 was very late and pitifully lackluster.

Now we have the D100. Nikon is going to be very late (and I'll eat
my hat if you see this thing in June), at least much later than the
D60. So they have to do something.

Here's an idea, the sneaky Nikon marketing dept probably thought...
get retailers to post an "unofficial" price for pre-orders that is
substantially less than the D60. That might get people to wait.
Then they still might be able to get by without letting people see
sample images from their newest vapor product.

And the reviewers play into Nikon's hands once again as unwitting
pawns in Nikon's brilliant marketing scheme.

Think I'm full of beans? Wait and see, folks. If you can buy a
D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one.
--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
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"Think I'm full of beans? Wait and see, folks. If you can buy a
BryanS said:
D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one."
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Can I have that in a signed contract? :)

Maybe the $2100 is a realistic price for a DSLR at this level. Perhaps we justhave been overpaying for our D30s because of lack of competition. I still remember ABS (antilock braking system) and air bag system in cars were very expensive options. Tecnical progress and competition do drive down prices. I for one hope this Nikon strategy, whether you like it or not, will force Canon to drop the price on D60.
Bryan Siverly said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, but something may be
afoot with the "leaked" future price of the D100 being
substantially less than the supposed D60 price.

Let's think back to the G2's release and Nikon's announcement of
the total vapor-product CP5000. All the reviewers bit on the
"pre-production sample" and produced these "hands on reviews" with
no image samples allowed (and later we saw why). All this was
intended to stall sales of the G2, and it worked for some. Then
the 5000 was very late and pitifully lackluster.

Now we have the D100. Nikon is going to be very late (and I'll eat
my hat if you see this thing in June), at least much later than the
D60. So they have to do something.

Here's an idea, the sneaky Nikon marketing dept probably thought...
get retailers to post an "unofficial" price for pre-orders that is
substantially less than the D60. That might get people to wait.
Then they still might be able to get by without letting people see
sample images from their newest vapor product.

And the reviewers play into Nikon's hands once again as unwitting
pawns in Nikon's brilliant marketing scheme.

Think I'm full of beans? Wait and see, folks. If you can buy a
D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one.
--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
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He speaketh for me as well. Let the prices drop! Who cares how and by what pressure. We, the early (relatively) folks in the DSLR arena are paying the R&D costs. And Paying heavy. I admire what Sony did in their pricing of the 707. It brought a LOT of features and "camera"(I do have issues with it, but it'll make a fine backup imaging "Device") to the price point of $1000.00 US.

This year could see entry level "Pro" DSLRs become much more affordable to many of us if they big players do not collude and do have their price war.

This hobby/profession should not be for the elite, but for the masses(any that wish to overcome some of the obstacles). Several years ago, Ten grand would get you a Pro DSLR body. Aren't we glad THAT is over?
Best,
Robert
James C. said:
James C. said:
D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one."
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Can I have that in a signed contract? :)

Maybe the $2100 is a realistic price for a DSLR at this level.
Perhaps we justhave been overpaying for our D30s because of lack of
competition. I still remember ABS (antilock braking system) and
air bag system in cars were very expensive options. Tecnical
progress and competition do drive down prices. I for one hope this
Nikon strategy, whether you like it or not, will force Canon to
drop the price on D60.
Bryan Siverly said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, but something may be
afoot with the "leaked" future price of the D100 being
substantially less than the supposed D60 price.

Let's think back to the G2's release and Nikon's announcement of
the total vapor-product CP5000. All the reviewers bit on the
"pre-production sample" and produced these "hands on reviews" with
no image samples allowed (and later we saw why). All this was
intended to stall sales of the G2, and it worked for some. Then
the 5000 was very late and pitifully lackluster.

Now we have the D100. Nikon is going to be very late (and I'll eat
my hat if you see this thing in June), at least much later than the
D60. So they have to do something.

Here's an idea, the sneaky Nikon marketing dept probably thought...
get retailers to post an "unofficial" price for pre-orders that is
substantially less than the D60. That might get people to wait.
Then they still might be able to get by without letting people see
sample images from their newest vapor product.

And the reviewers play into Nikon's hands once again as unwitting
pawns in Nikon's brilliant marketing scheme.

Think I'm full of beans? Wait and see, folks. If you can buy a
D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one.
--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
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I'll remember this Bryan for my free cam!

MAC
Bryan Siverly said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, but something may be
afoot with the "leaked" future price of the D100 being
substantially less than the supposed D60 price.

Let's think back to the G2's release and Nikon's announcement of
the total vapor-product CP5000. All the reviewers bit on the
"pre-production sample" and produced these "hands on reviews" with
no image samples allowed (and later we saw why). All this was
intended to stall sales of the G2, and it worked for some. Then
the 5000 was very late and pitifully lackluster.

Now we have the D100. Nikon is going to be very late (and I'll eat
my hat if you see this thing in June), at least much later than the
D60. So they have to do something.

Here's an idea, the sneaky Nikon marketing dept probably thought...
get retailers to post an "unofficial" price for pre-orders that is
substantially less than the D60. That might get people to wait.
Then they still might be able to get by without letting people see
sample images from their newest vapor product.

And the reviewers play into Nikon's hands once again as unwitting
pawns in Nikon's brilliant marketing scheme.

Think I'm full of beans? Wait and see, folks. If you can buy a
D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one.
--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
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Robert P Miller said:
He speaketh for me as well. Let the prices drop! Who cares how and
by what pressure.
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You guys are missing my point. The supposed "price difference" is officially unofficial... and it's not going to happen. The D100 will come out at roughly the same price as the D60 and the Sigma, and any price announcement from a vendor is part of the plan to get you to wait for 3 or 4 (if not 6) more months for Nikon to deliver the goods.

Luckily, Canon doesn't play these games. They announce a camera, and in very short order, you can buy one.--Bryan http://www.siverly.net
 
Okay, diabolical conspiracy theories are amusing, and I got a chuckle out of your original post, but now ...
BryanS said:
Luckily, Canon doesn't play these games.
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... you're taking it all a little too seriously.

Here's what probably happened:

Although I'm not 100% certain of this, Canoga Camera's Nikon sales rep is almost certainly Steve Lee (a helluva good guy, by the way). Steve's brother David is Nikon's national sales manager, and David certainly has a pretty good idea of what the D100 will cost when it's priced. Steve, like all other Nikon sales reps in the U.S., has been in Orlando for the last few days at a sales meeting learning about the new products for PMA. At some point, probably Thursday evening, over drinks in a hotel bar somewhere (Steve and David have been known to tilt a few now and then), Steve said, "So, is this thing gonna' have a decent price?" And David said, "That depends on whether you think under $2000 is a good price." (They would be talking, by the way, about dealer net cost, not suggested retail.) Then they probably moved on to talking about Enron, or their kids, or that time at a sales meeting in Vegas back in '85 when the guy who used to have the Phoenix territory -- what was his name? -- got so drunk he turned the wrong way coming out of the shower, stepped fully naked into the hotel hallway, and didn't realize it until the door to his room had swung closed behind him.

Next day: Steve is hurrying from lunch back to the meeting room to get briefed on the new Coolpix 2500. He gets paged by Canoga Cameras, and calls them back while he's walking. Canoga has seen the D100 announcement and they want to know the price. Customers are already trying to order it.

Steve says, "We don't have a price yet."
Canoga Cameras: "Well, can I safely take an order for $3000?"

Steve thinks for a second, says to himself, 'what the hell' and tells them: "You're safe at $2200. I can't tell you anything else. Gotta go. My brother will chew my ass off if I'm late for another meeting." Hangs up, doesn't give it another thought.

Canoga takes that info and puts a price on the Internet. That possibility hadn't occurred to Steve.

Today and tomorrow: Every other dealer in the U.S. goes to their Nikon sales rep and bitches about not being informed of the D100's price when Canoga Cameras has clearly been given the information. The sales reps go to David Lee. "What's up?" David frowns deeply, walks over to brother Steve, and says "What the hell is your dealer doing? Tell them to get that price off the Internet."

So I wouldn't be surprised if Canoga ends up taking that page down soon.

Or maybe David doesn't care if they leave it up, but the chances that it's an intentional falsehood are almost zero.

My version isn't as much fun as a diabolical conspiracy theory, I know, but it's almost guaranteed to be a lot closer to the truth. Sorry to take the fun out of it.
 
Eamon Hickey said:
Okay, diabolical conspiracy theories are amusing, and I got a
chuckle out of your original post, but now ...
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Very good counter post, however, I still smell a rat. The deal they pulled with the CP5000 stunk to high heaven, and I'm betting for more of the same.

The D100 won't be $200 from the D60 price at release, certainly not $800 or more. However, I'll call Canoga on Monday and see if there's any way to hold them to that price. If so, perhaps I'll need several. ;)--Bryan http://www.siverly.net
 
Bryan Siverly said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, but something may be
afoot with the "leaked" future price of the D100 being
substantially less than the supposed D60 price.

Let's think back to the G2's release and Nikon's announcement of
the total vapor-product CP5000. All the reviewers bit on the
"pre-production sample" and produced these "hands on reviews" with
no image samples allowed (and later we saw why). All this was
intended to stall sales of the G2, and it worked for some. Then
the 5000 was very late and pitifully lackluster.

Now we have the D100. Nikon is going to be very late (and I'll eat
my hat if you see this thing in June), at least much later than the
D60. So they have to do something.

Here's an idea, the sneaky Nikon marketing dept probably thought...
get retailers to post an "unofficial" price for pre-orders that is
substantially less than the D60. That might get people to wait.
Then they still might be able to get by without letting people see
sample images from their newest vapor product.

And the reviewers play into Nikon's hands once again as unwitting
pawns in Nikon's brilliant marketing scheme.

Think I'm full of beans? Wait and see, folks. If you can buy a
D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one.
--
Bryan
http://www.siverly.net
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Bryan Siverly wrote:
[...]
BryanS said:
Think I'm full of beans? Wait and see, folks. If you can buy a
D100 for $2100 at release, I'll buy everyone here one.
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So all I have to do is convince a store (or Nikon itself) that you will make a 5000 unit buy at $2100? Hot damm! I'm gonna sign myself up for a few more dpreview accounts...

Maybe my mom will loan me here lenses...on second thought I'll just get her to sign up for an account too :-)
 
BryanS said:
You guys are missing my point. The supposed "price difference" is
officially unofficial... and it's not going to happen. The D100
will come out at roughly the same price as the D60 and the Sigma,
and any price announcement from a vendor is part of the plan to get
you to wait for 3 or 4 (if not 6) more months for Nikon to deliver
the goods.
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I expect the Sigma to be priced under the other two by a fair amount, and whichever of the the D60 or D100 ends up being worse the the other will probbably have to go lower unless the "glass loyaly" is really strong. Fuji's S2 will probbably need to be cheaper then the D100.

Face it, with at least 4 DSLRs in the "under $3000" market there will be more compatation (esp when two use the same lens mount!).
BryanS said:
Luckily, Canon doesn't play these games. They announce a camera,
and in very short order, you can buy one.
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Really? You mean the D30 wasn't announced 6 or 8 months before you could buy it? Or maybe a year?

Canon is bringing the D60 out quickly after the announcment because they will have a real tough time selling the D30 after the D60 has been announced. If Canon didn't have a camera in the prosumer DSLR market they would be just fine announcing one months and months before they brought one out. I offer the D30 as proof.

That's not to say Nikon isn't a bit slimey, look at what they have been doing with their lens mount. Sure you can mount a 1970's manual focus lens on modern Nikons, but many will no longer do stop down metering with them! Plus there are the G lenses that will only operate on cameras with two command dials (normal Nikon lenses have an apeture ring on the lens), and now the new 70-200 VR is a G lens, so it won't work on many Nikon cameras, some of which were introduced JUST LAST YEAR!
 
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