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Fuji S1
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Fred H.
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JC:I was just wondering why I'm not hearing more about the Fuji S1. When is
it supposed to be released? What is the popular opinion on it? Just
curious.
Fuji, unlike some of the other digicam manufacturers, appears to monitor the various web digicam forums and has gotten a little flack from some for the somewhat soft images that the S1 puts out (even with that, IMHO the S1 images are superior to those from the D1 - which opinion I may revise when I see more samples from the camera). Given this, Fuji seem to have decided to spend more development time to refine their image processing algorithm.
Check this out:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=188434&query=Fuji+S1
Fred H.
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Matt McMillan
Guest
Try this link http://www.zing.com/magazine/04.05.2000/columns/tech_guru/JC:I was just wondering why I'm not hearing more about the Fuji S1. When is
it supposed to be released? What is the popular opinion on it? Just
curious.
Fuji, unlike some of the other digicam manufacturers, appears to monitor
the various web digicam forums and has gotten a little flack from some
for the somewhat soft images that the S1 puts out (even with that, IMHO
the S1 images are superior to those from the D1 - which opinion I may
revise when I see more samples from the camera). Given this, Fuji seem to
have decided to spend more development time to refine their image
processing algorithm.
Check this out:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=188434&query=Fuji+S1
Fred H.
Very good article, good sample pictures. Compared it with a d1.
Matt
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Ron Reznick
Guest
Here we go again...
Fred, do us all a favor. Tell us where you found images from the S1 that you felt were superior to those of the D1. Which D1 images? Which S1 images? In what way were they superior?
The S1 images that I have seen were all lacking in fine detail and soft. Remember, nearly all users of a pro camera will be able to and expect to do at least some post-processing of images, but lack of detail is not one of the things that can be corrected after the shot has been taken.
I think that we all need to wait until the S1 is actually out before making ANY statements at all regarding the quality of the camera. The only thing that can really be discussed is the construction quality of the body and the duty-cycle based on the use of an N60 body as well as the lack of ability to use AFS lenses, and I think that it is pretty obvious that the camera is designed not for the professional but for the advanced amateur due to the choice of body. This does not mean that the camera will be useless of course, just that it will not be as rugged due to the choice of body.
Let's all wait and see. It'll be out soon enough and final-release images will be available for all to compare.
Ron
Fred, do us all a favor. Tell us where you found images from the S1 that you felt were superior to those of the D1. Which D1 images? Which S1 images? In what way were they superior?
The S1 images that I have seen were all lacking in fine detail and soft. Remember, nearly all users of a pro camera will be able to and expect to do at least some post-processing of images, but lack of detail is not one of the things that can be corrected after the shot has been taken.
I think that we all need to wait until the S1 is actually out before making ANY statements at all regarding the quality of the camera. The only thing that can really be discussed is the construction quality of the body and the duty-cycle based on the use of an N60 body as well as the lack of ability to use AFS lenses, and I think that it is pretty obvious that the camera is designed not for the professional but for the advanced amateur due to the choice of body. This does not mean that the camera will be useless of course, just that it will not be as rugged due to the choice of body.
Let's all wait and see. It'll be out soon enough and final-release images will be available for all to compare.
Ron
JC:I was just wondering why I'm not hearing more about the Fuji S1. When is
it supposed to be released? What is the popular opinion on it? Just
curious.
Fuji, unlike some of the other digicam manufacturers, appears to monitor
the various web digicam forums and has gotten a little flack from some
for the somewhat soft images that the S1 puts out (even with that, IMHO
the S1 images are superior to those from the D1 - which opinion I may
revise when I see more samples from the camera). Given this, Fuji seem to
have decided to spend more development time to refine their image
processing algorithm.
Check this out:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=188434&query=Fuji+S1
Fred H.
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Phil Askey
Guest
Res is pretty good, though I didn't like the S1's colour (look at the blimp pic)Try this link http://www.zing.com/magazine/04.05.2000/columns/tech_guru/
Very good article, good sample pictures. Compared it with a d1.
stanton
Senior Member
Personally, I thought the D1 had better color and definition. Actually I was a little surprised that the D1 did as well as it did. Considering the ruggedness of the D1 body, I think it wins hands down.
SK
SK
Try this link http://www.zing.com/magazine/04.05.2000/columns/tech_guru/
Very good article, good sample pictures. Compared it with a d1.
Matt
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Pete Biro
Guest
Actually, I felt the posted images were just too small to make any kind of judgements... and the fact that the writer got a ride in the mufti blimp (Goodyear makes the only real airships)!!!... maybe gave Fuji an edge in his report??? Who knows...
Gotta wait and see.
The real comparison shot that impressed me was the baseball player shot with a megabuck camera, proving once again...
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
;O)
Gotta wait and see.
The real comparison shot that impressed me was the baseball player shot with a megabuck camera, proving once again...
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
;O)
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Matt McMillan
Guest
SK,
I'm a 620 user, and I'm waiting to see what/when kodak brings out. I thought the pics and article were good. I wasn't trying to start a Fuji, D1, 620 p*ssing match. I doubt the fuji could hold up in our working enviroment. I'll take a look at it when it comes out, just like i did with the d1, but I don't hold as much hope for it as I did with the d1. The d1 had alot going for it, but still lost to the 620 because of the maturity of the software and firmware. If/when kodak comes out with it's next generation, I'm hoping it makes the same improvements that the 620 made compared to the 420
Matt
I'm a 620 user, and I'm waiting to see what/when kodak brings out. I thought the pics and article were good. I wasn't trying to start a Fuji, D1, 620 p*ssing match. I doubt the fuji could hold up in our working enviroment. I'll take a look at it when it comes out, just like i did with the d1, but I don't hold as much hope for it as I did with the d1. The d1 had alot going for it, but still lost to the 620 because of the maturity of the software and firmware. If/when kodak comes out with it's next generation, I'm hoping it makes the same improvements that the 620 made compared to the 420
Matt
SK
Try this link http://www.zing.com/magazine/04.05.2000/columns/tech_guru/
Very good article, good sample pictures. Compared it with a d1.
Matt
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Fred H.
Guest
Ron:Here we go again...
Fred, do us all a favor. Tell us where you found images from the S1 that
you felt were superior to those of the D1. Which D1 images? Which S1
images? In what way were they superior?
You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine - don't you think? I think that generally the images (and there are many samples by now) from the D1 are dull, lifeless, off-color and just plain uninspiring , to a considerable degree - unless they have been touched up in PS, or the like.
As to the samples that I have seen, John Cowley, at LoneStardigital has in the past posted about a half dozen samples from the S1 - and with the exception of being somewhat soft, I was very impressed with the quality! And I might add that it is my belief that portrait photographers often purposely soften their images in order that skin blemishes and such are not as noticible - so even with the softness they would still be usefull. The S1 images display a clarity and color rendition which in my opinion is much better than the D1 - and as I mentioned, I may change my opinion of the images once I have had a chance to see more than a few samples.
Fred H.
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Fred H.
Guest
Well - I was more impressed by the colors of the S1 image there - and you could see that the background was not 'muddied' as in the D1 image.Res is pretty good, though I didn't like the S1's colour (look at the
blimp pic)
But the thing that really struck me was how purplish the sky is in the D1 images -the S1 produced a more believable blue in the blimp (and detail) pics.
Fred H.
Fred.......Do you work for Fuji?????????
You seem very offended by the D1.. Have you actually used one yourself?
I have had non of the problems you seem to have noticed with my D1.
Anyway, who realy gives a toss! Im making a rediculous amount of money using a Nikon D1 and dont care if the S1 does come out a better camera. (which i doubt it will)
Hope this helps,
Phil
You seem very offended by the D1.. Have you actually used one yourself?
I have had non of the problems you seem to have noticed with my D1.
Anyway, who realy gives a toss! Im making a rediculous amount of money using a Nikon D1 and dont care if the S1 does come out a better camera. (which i doubt it will)
Hope this helps,
Phil
Fred & Phil,
GO TO NEUTRAL CORNERS!
Bill
GO TO NEUTRAL CORNERS!
Bill
Fred.......Do you work for Fuji?????????
You seem very offended by the D1.. Have you actually used one yourself?
I have had non of the problems you seem to have noticed with my D1.
Anyway, who realy gives a toss! Im making a rediculous amount of money
using a Nikon D1 and dont care if the S1 does come out a better camera.
(which i doubt it will)
Hope this helps,
Phil
Hi Fred:
Thanks for your opinion - it is important!
FWIW, in my opinion, the Fuji pictures of the girl in the black and white dress were excellent. They should be excellent - Fuji has a lot money in those pictures. Each shot used nearly the entire dynamic range of the camera. If I remember correctly, the shadow counts were around 5 or 6, and the hightlight count was about 252. Of course, the fact that the girl was attractive did not hurt. I could not see past her to get to the soft part that everyone was complaining about. The noise performance of the Fuji in the shadow areas was superb.
I doubt every picture taken with the D1 we have seen was taken with the same care and feeding as the Fuji pictures. Like you, I have seen some D1 pictures that were less than good. However, I have seen some terrific examples of the D1's performance. I personally have not seen a shot from the D1 that really demonstrates the camera's noise performance in shadows; I suspect it is pretty good but don't know for sure.
Joe Kurkjian
Thanks for your opinion - it is important!
FWIW, in my opinion, the Fuji pictures of the girl in the black and white dress were excellent. They should be excellent - Fuji has a lot money in those pictures. Each shot used nearly the entire dynamic range of the camera. If I remember correctly, the shadow counts were around 5 or 6, and the hightlight count was about 252. Of course, the fact that the girl was attractive did not hurt. I could not see past her to get to the soft part that everyone was complaining about. The noise performance of the Fuji in the shadow areas was superb.
I doubt every picture taken with the D1 we have seen was taken with the same care and feeding as the Fuji pictures. Like you, I have seen some D1 pictures that were less than good. However, I have seen some terrific examples of the D1's performance. I personally have not seen a shot from the D1 that really demonstrates the camera's noise performance in shadows; I suspect it is pretty good but don't know for sure.
Joe Kurkjian
Ron:Here we go again...
Fred, do us all a favor. Tell us where you found images from the S1 that
you felt were superior to those of the D1. Which D1 images? Which S1
images? In what way were they superior?
You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine - don't you
think? I think that generally the images (and there are many samples by
now) from the D1 are dull, lifeless, off-color and just plain uninspiring
, to a considerable degree - unless they have been touched up in PS, or
the like.
As to the samples that I have seen, John Cowley, at LoneStardigital has
in the past posted about a half dozen samples from the S1 - and with the
exception of being somewhat soft, I was very impressed with the quality!
And I might add that it is my belief that portrait photographers often
purposely soften their images in order that skin blemishes and such are
not as noticible - so even with the softness they would still be usefull.
The S1 images display a clarity and color rendition which in my opinion
is much better than the D1 - and as I mentioned, I may change my opinion
of the images once I have had a chance to see more than a few samples.
Fred H.
Geoff Shearer
Member
Phil,Anyway, who realy gives a toss! Im making a rediculous amount of money
using a Nikon D1 and dont care if the S1 does come out a better camera.
(which i doubt it will)
I am not very interested in debates about the merits and flaws of any particular digital camera - to each his or her own. Anyway, the "equipment wars" and the strong opinions have been around a lot longer than digital cameras.
I am however very interested in hearing about the money you make using your Nikon D1. Please, share some of your success stories with the group. I know I have been working very hard in photography full-time for 10+ years. I make a decent living doing something that I love, but I could never say that I make a "ridiculous" amount of money. As a part-time teacher of photography I also know quite well the national averages for photographers' salaries - the only way they could be considered ridiculous is to say that they are ridiculously low.
I honestly don't doubt you - I would like to see more discussions about how to make good money in digital photography in this group and less "my camera is better than your camera" threads.
Geoff
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Ron Reznick
Guest
So I guess from your statement below that you expect cameras to produce exactly what you want with no manipulation at all, right?
The majority of the images I shoot in NEF require very little in the way of color correction, or none. Some do require some work, of course. My statement was based on lack of detail. If all you want are soft-focus, low-detail portrait images then you can use a number of techniques to soften an image, but if the image is soft and lacking detail you can not retrieve what is not there.
I have done a great number of test shots, with known subjects of various types, and compared the results of the D1 image to the subject itself in the same lighting. In some cases I did have to manipulate the images a bit to match color. As I mentioned, most shots, film or digital, require some work after the shutter has been released to get the most out of the image. I think that you are being a bit unrealistic to expect that the S1 or any other camera will result in perfect images straight from the camera. We've had this discussion before too...
Ron
The majority of the images I shoot in NEF require very little in the way of color correction, or none. Some do require some work, of course. My statement was based on lack of detail. If all you want are soft-focus, low-detail portrait images then you can use a number of techniques to soften an image, but if the image is soft and lacking detail you can not retrieve what is not there.
I have done a great number of test shots, with known subjects of various types, and compared the results of the D1 image to the subject itself in the same lighting. In some cases I did have to manipulate the images a bit to match color. As I mentioned, most shots, film or digital, require some work after the shutter has been released to get the most out of the image. I think that you are being a bit unrealistic to expect that the S1 or any other camera will result in perfect images straight from the camera. We've had this discussion before too...
Ron
Ron:Here we go again...
Fred, do us all a favor. Tell us where you found images from the S1 that
you felt were superior to those of the D1. Which D1 images? Which S1
images? In what way were they superior?
You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine - don't you
think? I think that generally the images (and there are many samples by
now) from the D1 are dull, lifeless, off-color and just plain uninspiring
, to a considerable degree - unless they have been touched up in PS, or
the like.
As to the samples that I have seen, John Cowley, at LoneStardigital has
in the past posted about a half dozen samples from the S1 - and with the
exception of being somewhat soft, I was very impressed with the quality!
And I might add that it is my belief that portrait photographers often
purposely soften their images in order that skin blemishes and such are
not as noticible - so even with the softness they would still be usefull.
The S1 images display a clarity and color rendition which in my opinion
is much better than the D1 - and as I mentioned, I may change my opinion
of the images once I have had a chance to see more than a few samples.
Fred H.
Geoff,
Im 21 years old and self employed as a pro digital photographer.
I did an A level in photography 3 yrs ago and have now progressed into digital.
I would love to tell you what im doing to make so much money, however....If i told the readers of this site what i did i would be shooting myself in the foot.
I have never understood why so many photographers make so little money. All you have to do is use your head a bit. There are many neashes in the market.
Its only taken me 2 years to hit on 3 big money makers.
There must be other people who also make big money, its just they dont tell everyone or they would be giving away their secrets too.
Sorry i cant shed light on what i do..
Phil
Im 21 years old and self employed as a pro digital photographer.
I did an A level in photography 3 yrs ago and have now progressed into digital.
I would love to tell you what im doing to make so much money, however....If i told the readers of this site what i did i would be shooting myself in the foot.
I have never understood why so many photographers make so little money. All you have to do is use your head a bit. There are many neashes in the market.
Its only taken me 2 years to hit on 3 big money makers.
There must be other people who also make big money, its just they dont tell everyone or they would be giving away their secrets too.
Sorry i cant shed light on what i do..
Phil
Phil,Anyway, who realy gives a toss! Im making a rediculous amount of money
using a Nikon D1 and dont care if the S1 does come out a better camera.
(which i doubt it will)
I am not very interested in debates about the merits and flaws of any
particular digital camera - to each his or her own. Anyway, the
"equipment wars" and the strong opinions have been around a lot longer
than digital cameras.
I am however very interested in hearing about the money you make using
your Nikon D1. Please, share some of your success stories with the
group. I know I have been working very hard in photography full-time for
10+ years. I make a decent living doing something that I love, but I
could never say that I make a "ridiculous" amount of money. As a
part-time teacher of photography I also know quite well the national
averages for photographers' salaries - the only way they could be
considered ridiculous is to say that they are ridiculously low.
I honestly don't doubt you - I would like to see more discussions about
how to make good money in digital photography in this group and less "my
camera is better than your camera" threads.
Geoff
Jim S.19490
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... "I have never understood why so many photographers make so little money. All you have to do is use your head a bit." ...Geoff,
You are implying that you are smarter and wealthier than the majority of working photographers. Based on your choice of words and style of writing, I doubt that very much.
Jim S.
I was not implying that at all........ I was simply stating that there are ways to make money out of photography.
There is no need to get offended!!!!!!
If you took it this way then I apologize to you......
I want to inspire people not pull them down as you seem to have taken it!!!!!
I have worked my ass off for the money I make and I don’t think of myself as smarter or wealthier, I just hit on some clever ideas..
It seems you havent!
Phil
There is no need to get offended!!!!!!
If you took it this way then I apologize to you......
I want to inspire people not pull them down as you seem to have taken it!!!!!
I have worked my ass off for the money I make and I don’t think of myself as smarter or wealthier, I just hit on some clever ideas..
It seems you havent!
Phil
... "I have never understood why so many photographers make so littleGeoff,
money. All you have to do is use your head a bit." ...
You are implying that you are smarter and wealthier than the majority of
working photographers. Based on your choice of words and style of
writing, I doubt that very much.
Jim S.
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TomJ
Guest
Geoff,
Im 21 years old and self employed as a pro digital photographer.
I did an A level in photography 3 yrs ago and have now progressed into
digital.
I would love to tell you what im doing to make so much money,
however....If i told the readers of this site what i did i would be
shooting myself in the foot.
I have never understood why so many photographers make so little money.
All you have to do is use your head a bit. There are many neashes in the
market.
Its only taken me 2 years to hit on 3 big money makers.
There must be other people who also make big money, its just they dont
tell everyone or they would be giving away their secrets too.
other information to help out their fellow shooters in all disciplines of photography.Sorry i cant shed light on what i do..
Phil
Most true professional photographers I know (myself included for over 20 years) are more than happy to share ideas, equipment, techniques, and
On the other hand, most people who buy a fancy camera (digital or otherwise) to make a fast buck can hardly be taken seriously as pro
photographers and are constantly paranoid about someone else stealing their "great" ideas.
I shoot commercially for many large corporations and have paid my dues for about 20 years. I make a decent living doing something I like and
have become even more excited about making quality images for all my clients with the advent and acceptance of digital photography. There'e
nothing wrong with making money at this, after all, that's why we are in business. However, these earlier remarks do not sound like those of a person
genuinely interested in making great images, but instead, merely making money.
Good luck, and I hope you make even more ridiculous amounts of money.
T
This could carry on forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is always something to be picky at.
When did i say that im in it for the money?????????
I love photography. If i didnt i wouldnt be doing it quite simply!
And no havent just bought a fancy piece of kit to make a quick buck.
Believe it or not i was working pro (ie, as a living) for 2/3 years with non digital equipment.
I have actually been saving for the last 12 months while doing lots of research into what to buy.
Dont make assumptions.
"Most true professional photographers I know (myself included for over 20 years) are more than happy to share ideas, equipment, techniques, and
Maybe in a year or two you will find out what im doing!!!!!!!!!
All the best,
Phil
There is always something to be picky at.
When did i say that im in it for the money?????????
I love photography. If i didnt i wouldnt be doing it quite simply!
And no havent just bought a fancy piece of kit to make a quick buck.
Believe it or not i was working pro (ie, as a living) for 2/3 years with non digital equipment.
I have actually been saving for the last 12 months while doing lots of research into what to buy.
Dont make assumptions.
"Most true professional photographers I know (myself included for over 20 years) are more than happy to share ideas, equipment, techniques, and
Thank you........I will carry on making large ammounts of money!other information to help out their fellow shooters in all disciplines of
photography" MAYBE IF YOU HAD SOME NEW IDEAS DIFFERENT TO EVERYONE ELSES YOU WOULDNT! WHY NOT ENLIGHTEN US ALL WITH SOME OF YOUR CLEVER VENTURES!
Maybe in a year or two you will find out what im doing!!!!!!!!!
All the best,
Phil
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