Adding Vista to new system with XP Pro . . .

That system no doubt eats most systems on the market... I don't
have 2 WD Raptor 10k RPM Drives... I also don't have an ATI X1900
with 512 MB DDR or 2 Gig's of 800 MHz DDR 2... Yet he's saying
even on his test system everything runs slower!

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/page4.html
For some reason that page is having issues! But I read it many
times before.

Almost everything tested ran slower on vista! how much impact this
will have as time goes on....hard to say. Drivers etc will get
better.....etc etc

But it wasnt very encouraging really.

I did put Doom 3 on that pc I built..just to test it..as an openGL
game...and it was running decent on a 6600..GPU. But not as fast as
XP was running it..the drivers I used were a lot better..but still
behind.

As for the other main applications...I doubt they will catch up
that much....at best vista can only hope to match xp for most apps.
Few beat it..though PS was a little faster..not enough to get
whipped up about.

This is really a serious issue for MS. And one reason people are
calling it the eye candy machine..and nothing else. Apps are
starting faster..a bit. But big deal when most run slower!

If Vista out of the box ran most apps say 10% faster..people might
feel some reason to get it...but slower...well, it doesnt help the
marketing machine. People wonder why linux is getting talked about!
lol.....

I remember doing tests on win 98SE and XP years ago..and XP blew 98
SE away in most areas....in 3D is was a significant degree
faster...most noticable.

I think MS tried to do too much on vista..when they should have
made it leaner..and faster.

And what looper dumped the filmstrip view? lol
I am sure Wordstar would run much faster on DOS 5.0 Windows is just a reasource HOG DOS FORVEVER.

Serioulsy Vista is doing more and is set up to run on recent hardware or better. Any upgradeis.. I am sure that Fedora Core 5 needs more resources than say Redhat 5.0 and OSX needs more than System 9 or 8.

So is anyone surprised that a new system needs more and uses more? I hope not. Now sure why this is even upsetting to people.. it is a fact.. to do more you need more. Vista is doing more visually, more in indexing HDs, more to allow software ot recover from driver crashes so work is not lost etc.

And yes eventually when people install HDMI hardware and want to play new HD Video and Audio media.. it is doing a lot of stuff to comply with the media industries... paranioa.

So really any surprise it needs more resources than XP / Windows 2000 / Windows 98/ Windows 95 / Windows 3.1 / windows 3.0 / Windows 386/ Windows 1.0 / MS DOS ETC....

So lets discuss the upsetting surprise economic inflation is or that it is colder in the Winter....
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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
I am sure Wordstar would run much faster on DOS 5.0 Windows is
just a reasource HOG DOS FORVEVER.
Is there a point to this post or are you trying to convince yourself vista is great and a good idea for everyone?
Serioulsy Vista is doing more and is set up to run on recent
hardware or better. Any upgradeis.. I am sure that Fedora Core 5
needs more resources than say Redhat 5.0 and OSX needs more than
System 9 or 8.
I am sure we all have out views as to what makes a good OS and what does not.
So is anyone surprised that a new system needs more and uses more?
I hope not.
The level of increased demands on RAM and resources is significant...far more than with previous MS operating systems....

But time goes by as you say..

Now sure why this is even upsetting to people.. it is
a fact.. to do more you need more. Vista is doing more visually,
more in indexing HDs, more to allow software ot recover from driver
crashes so work is not lost etc.
I turn off indexing on my xp pc.......I just dont use it! I dont need 60+ processes running in the background..half of which I wont use.

Making something inefficient shouldnt be celebrated...I am sure they could build a diesel engine that gave worse MPG and power than a petrol..but would you like that?
And yes eventually when people install HDMI hardware and want to
play new HD Video and Audio media.. it is doing a lot of stuff to
comply with the media industries... paranioa.
I dont care about HDMI pandering..this wasnt mentioned in posts either..you brought it up
So really any surprise it needs more resources than XP / Windows
2000 / Windows 98/ Windows 95 / Windows 3.1 / windows 3.0 / Windows
386/ Windows 1.0 / MS DOS ETC....
Why does Sony vegas run so well on low end pc's? Why does Adobe premiere not! What impresses you more? Making the most of hardware and good skills creating software..or lazy inefficient ones?

Why is foxit reader so small and so fast? Yet acrobat bloated........

How can a program like blender be free..so small........and deliver such amazing results?

You tell me where we end up ten years from now.....10Gb pc's entry level? 1Tb HDD the smallest you can lay your hands on..and an OS on 3 HD DVD's taking 3 hours to install?

At some point...software makes a meal out of things..that it need not do. At some point it doesnt impress...that is a real issue....and one worth talking about. Not the usual Ken super defence posts..

Yes things get bigger..but not for the sake of nothing!

Your inablitly to accept areas of weakness doesnt do you any favours.......

Whats next...you will tell us that MS needs so many versions of vista? Or that maybe they went a tad overboard?
So lets discuss the upsetting surprise economic inflation is or
that it is colder in the Winter....
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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
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Clint is on holiday! Soon to return! ;-)
 
The point was never that the OS got bigger or slower... That is what we were saying... The point was that some would have us believe it is faster and it just simply is not!

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln
 
I am sure Wordstar would run much faster on DOS 5.0 Windows is
just a reasource HOG DOS FORVEVER.
Is there a point to this post or are you trying to convince
yourself vista is great and a good idea for everyone?
Serioulsy Vista is doing more and is set up to run on recent
hardware or better. Any upgradeis.. I am sure that Fedora Core 5
needs more resources than say Redhat 5.0 and OSX needs more than
System 9 or 8.
I am sure we all have out views as to what makes a good OS and what
does not.
Your inablitly to accept areas of weakness doesnt do you any
favours.......
So you are saying that those who only complain about Vista have no credibility? I think I don't need to help them they point this out well enough I am looking to create some balance.
Whats next...you will tell us that MS needs so many versions of
vista? Or that maybe they went a tad overboard?
I am not a big fan of too many versions:
Basic is there to server older and low end hardware
Home is for Home
Business is for Business

Ultimate seemed to be for Geeks who didn't want to choose between Home and Business but it also seems to be the only one with a couple of features if I read the comparison.. so I don't get that.

Considering the usage profile of the PC is so diverse.. people got frustrated with questions about installing or not installing features previously.. Making a named versions for each segment makes sense.

Why are there Ford XLTs, Eddie Bauer, and Limiteds.. why not just have a one ford model and make people check off all the add ons they want.

I have no proof that that Vista is the fasted it could be. There are more things than speed that go into a complete product.

ACDSEE is a lot faster than Adobe Bridge and even Lightroom. But after releasing "Pro" it was clear ACDSEE didn't give a darn about Pros as they have left the RAW module in Beta for a year and have not updated it for Vista while bringing out a whole new version. I will never again give them a penny because they basically orphaned their most expensive version... too bad I liked the design so this was killed by their management not their developers.

So I don't know what could be don to make Vista better. I just know I find it odd that people are grumpy because it requires more resources.. that;s a big DUH!! in my book...

Windows 3.0 could run on 8MB of RAM..
3.1 I think liked 16 MB of Ram better
95 I think wanted 64 MB of RAM
98 wanted 128 (really 256 K) of ram
2000 wanted 256K but really did better with 512MB
XP would run well in 512MB but we all know it was happiest with 1 GB

Vista will run in 512- 1gb for many people.. but we know for what we do it will be much better with 2GB..

SO yes someday we will have 10GB machines.. my first machine had 48K... this is much less outrageous an assumption than someone telling me I would have a 1GB machine when I was paying $200 to add 16K to my Apple ][+

I don't think I have to point out the pattern here.. so to say Vista's increase in RAM requirements is extreme just doesn't wash if you understand basic multiplication.

It even tracks well with the slow down in Moore's law because in the 5 years between Windows 3.0 and 95 there was a 4 to 8 times increase in ram requirements. Vista after 5 years is only a 2 to 4 times increase.

There are for sure things that don't work.. some will be fixed by Microsoft some by the maker of the product.

There are always things one can say "Why did they do that?"

But it is just silly to decide a system is BAD because it needs more resources... after a half dozen upgrades.. if that is still a surprise.. it isn't Microsoft's fault. :)

This is different from someone saying.. I like to wait.. I always do.. So I won't buy it for a couple of years. It gets annoying when they start making up reasons trying to get others to join them. Some people are early adopters some are late buyers.. neither is wrong.

I used to be early adopter.. I am now more in the early majority.. I like it to work smoothly. The excitement of the new has less value for me now than it did.

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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
The point was never that the OS got bigger or slower... That is
what we were saying... The point was that some would have us
believe it is faster and it just simply is not!
That's a fair point.. But preception is important... Ifyou do tons of number cunching like rendering video or batch processing large numbers of photos than the benchmarks like Tomshardware are to be looked at closely.

But the UI is smoother and faster on my system and I like that. And there is specific work to make it load faster and that saves me time.

So I enjoy the time I spend in Vista.. I would not right now be setting up a rendering farm for 3D animation on a Vista Machines..

My orginal counter point to yours was.. you felt it was a resource hog.. fine it is like every other system.. there are even a few on this board that will not leave windows 200 for XP... even as some complain about Vista and insist XP is the place to be.

It does some things faster or smoother.. as it was designed too. but over all on the same system using the standard install. it course it is going to take a few more percent of the CPU cycles etc. That is a given

Seeing that as being hoggish, or just expected is all subjective.

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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 

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