Why Pentax is the future for Nikon DX users

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I have, like many others, for a long time been annoyed with Nikons' lack of commitment to the DX format. Every DSLR they have ever produced is DX, but still they have produced very few DX lenses, and all the pro lenses have been 35mm ones. The 70-200mm VR is still unnecessarily huge and expensive, and there is no DX equivalent. There are still very few AF-S primes suitable for DX, and only one really good DX standard zoom. Of course, now, we are starting to see the reason for this. Nikon will produce a professional 35mm camera. They will go the Canon route of super expensive bodies requiring super expensive lenses in order to perform, leaving the DX crowd as second-class citizens, much like the EF-S crowd of the Canons. Serious DX owners will have to rely heavily on 35mm equipment, providing unsuitable focal lengths along with a lot of dead weight that they don't need (with accordingly high prices). DX lenses will mostly be consumer zooms with vario-apertures, like the EF-S lenses are with Canon.

So, serious users will have to invest in 35mm equipment (35mm camera and lenses). Financially OK if you have a lot of cash, but what if you don't want to carry the extra bulk of 35mm equipment? What if you don't need 25 megapixels? What if you care more about edge sharpness and quality than ISO noise? Then you have no option. All the serious stuff will be made for 35mm, leaving only cheapo consumer gear for DX.

If we look to Pentax, we see a clearly different philosophy. Many new lenses have been announced recently in their most professional line, the DA* line. These are both zooms and primes, all with constant apertures throughout the range, all with AF-S equivalent technology, and all with weather sealing. Also, every single one of them are made for the DX sensor. Not one 35mm lens among them. Pentax are showing their commitment to DX. They will not produce a 35mm body, because there would be no suitable modern pro glass for such a body. If you buy the K10D today, you can be sure of continued pro support for the format. You can be sure that the lenses you buy today will continue to function when you upgrade the body.

Of course, Pentax have their own medium format line for those needing a super high pixel count. Prosumers (and most professionals) don't need that. They don't print wall posters. But prosumers want nice gear. They want weather sealing. Constant aperture. Generally high end stuff. They also hate bulk, and most of them do not have unlimited funds. The Pentax road of a medium format line completely separated from the smaller format makes so much more sense than what Nikon and Canon seems to be doing. Buy the D200 today, and you'll need the 12-24mm for real wide angle. Maybe you'll get the Sigma 50-150mm because you don't want the huge Nikon 70-200mm. Upgrade the body in a couple of years, and you might suddenly find yourself with a 35mm sensor. Both these lenses are suddenly useless. Maybe you bought the Sigma 30mm f1.4 as well because Nikon doesn't provide a fast standard prime for the DX format. Useless. Bet you wish you had bought the K10D instead. The DA 12-24mm, DA* 50-135mm f2.8, and the 31mm f1.8 limited will still function as intended years from now. And if you absolutely need to go into the niche of huge sensors, you'll always have medium format.
 
what makes you think that DX lenses won't work on a body with a 35mm sensor?

unlike canon's EF-S lenses, nikon DX lenses will mount on any F-mount camera, be it a 35mm camera or a nikon DSLR. the DX lens may not give enough coverage for a 35mm-sized sensor, but there's no reason to believe that future 35mm-sensor nikon DSLR's won't have a DX crop function simillar to the D2X's high speed crop. your DX lenses will function exactly as they were designed to function.

nikon did not cripple DX lenses like canon did with EF-S lenses.

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Upgrade the body in a couple of years, and you
might suddenly find yourself with a 35mm sensor. Both these lenses
are suddenly useless.
 
Some of your arguement is based upon what Pentax have lined up for the future and I have never felt that they served the telephoto end of the market particularly well.

i have just switched from Pentax to Nikon - so I know which has more widespread support in the high street. I found most photo type shops had Nikon or Canon lenses or flash guns etc etc on the shelf.

E-bay is perhaps a better source for Pentax users but much of the glass is the older glass and does not have the auto focus that my dodgy eyes and slow reactions depend upon.
 
Some of your arguement is based upon what Pentax have lined up for
the future and I have never felt that they served the telephoto end
of the market particularly well.
Well, there are 200mm f2.8, 300mm f4 and 60-250mm f4 coming before the end of the year. And unlike Nikon and Canon teles they'll be small and fairly affordable (for their quality).
i have just switched from Pentax to Nikon - so I know which has
more widespread support in the high street. I found most photo type
shops had Nikon or Canon lenses or flash guns etc etc on the shelf.
I know. But why not buy online? All the big stores have online shops, and they have a wide selection of equipment for all the brands.
 
what makes you think that DX lenses won't work on a body with a
35mm sensor?
unlike canon's EF-S lenses, nikon DX lenses will mount on any
F-mount camera, be it a 35mm camera or a nikon DSLR. the DX lens
may not give enough coverage for a 35mm-sized sensor, but there's
no reason to believe that future 35mm-sensor nikon DSLR's won't
have a DX crop function simillar to the D2X's high speed crop. your
DX lenses will function exactly as they were designed to function.
I think the fact that DX lenses will mount on a 35mm sensor camera is a rather weak argument. I'm not impressed by the DX crop function either. At best, this function can be described as using half of what you paid for. Worse, you'll need an obscene MP count on the 35mm sensor if the DX crop shall come even close to todays industry standard of 10MP. I just don't see many photographers using their 12-24mm DX on a future 35mm body.
 
Well, there are 200mm f2.8, 300mm f4 and 60-250mm f4 coming before
the end of the year. And unlike Nikon and Canon teles they'll be
small and fairly affordable (for their quality).
200 divided by 2.8 = 71.4 -- that is the millimeter size required for the front element. Doesn't matter if you call it DX or not.

300 divided by 4 = 75 -- that is the millimeter size required for the front element. Doesn't matter if you call it DX or not.

Get my point? You can't just create a small lens because you want to. The size is determined by the focal length to maximum aperture ratio.
 
and all the pro lenses have been 35mm ones.
What kind of lens you think the 17-55DX is? This is an out and out professional grade lens. Even by Nikon's own admission, it has a golden ring signifying professional grade lens - price, optical quality, build quality - literally in every category. Even the 12-24DX could be considered a pro lens. You need to get your facts straight.

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What a pile of rubbish. Nikon still makes some film SLRs and has plenty of 35mm film customers out there as well as DX Digital customers. They make lenses for both. FF lenses do work on DX cameras, in fact they work rather nicely, in as they say "the sweet spot." Stop babbling.
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In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less complicated formulation or simply put, less is more.
 
They can't even get a DSLR to auto focus, they have been working on it since 2004.

So far the best they come up with increase the voltage to the screw driver focus motor, hang on that happened anyway cause they used a different battery, ah well they haven't started yet, sheez!!.

If they fold today I wont miss them.

Some honest folk surprisingly will tell you, look up the threads on wedding photography, 99% recommended do NOT get a P*ntax and that was on the P*ntax forum.
 
that these old film lenses don't work on DX

like the 85mm f/1.8 such horrible results



Or the 105 f/2DC - sucks!



or that old 35mm f/2 - so dated ;-(



or that nasty old 80-200 f/2.8 - sure wish they would make a DX version that would work right



Oh what to do - perhaps I should buy a Pentax

NOT!

Forgive me, but I find this to so utterly ridiculous that I couldn't resist a little sarcasm.

Also just so people know, from what I have read there would be almost no difference in the size of "DX" lenses once you get past about 85mm this is why lenses like the new 70-300vr and 105vr were made full frame.

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I think he wants you to throw out those "crappy" lenses so he can lift them out of the trashcan and buy himself a nice Nikon body to replace his non-focusing Pentax. Just say no.
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Stan ;o()



In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less complicated formulation or simply put, less is more.
 
I think he will have to pry them from my cold dead hands, of course that assumes he can get past my dog


I think he wants you to throw out those "crappy" lenses so he can
lift them out of the trashcan and buy himself a nice Nikon body to
replace his non-focusing Pentax. Just say no.
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Stan ;o()



In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less
complicated formulation or simply put, less is more.
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Edward

Lenses listed in profile

 

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