I am not so sure that he does try to get the best out of each camera. I think he shoots in auto to show what the camera can do.
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Canon 30D or NIkon D200
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Maybe 80mm wasn´t wide enough for you :^)...
http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/Nikkor_Lenses/AF_Zoom/AF-S80-200a.html
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Jukka
LOL.
ellover009
Senior Member
There's no auto mode on the D200, my boss has one I got to shoot a little in the company Christmas party. Things I did like on the D200 is that it had buttons well placed, had a nice heft to it, it felt solid and durable, it had a really nice viewfinder. The camera was perfect, only thing I do notice is that the skin tones on the Nikon's tend to lean towards orange and red whereas the Canon is more neutral, something that could be changed easily in both units.
Honestly what I recommend is that you do your math with the type of photography that you plan to do. With the Nikon unit you get a really nice metering and wireless flash system and the Canon is good at ISO noise. The D200 will be wonderful if you plan to use several wireless flashes.
In the end what really matters is how the camera feels in your hands, and what appeals to you, camera might not be perfect but whats important is that you get into a system that you are going to be comfortable with and learning how to deal with it's issues, I have a friend who shoots film camera for art and recently got hired by a studio, they have her use sometimes a digital camera it's also a Olympus I don't think too greatly of it but she perceives it as the best so in the end whats the best is what works best for you. Get a D200 stuff a 30D sensor and the rear control wheel and you have a hell of a camera. I seem to like the D80 better over the D200, it's perfect size, well priced and featured, only thing it lacks from the D200 is the button next to the lens that fires a preflash.
LOL, indeed! This has actually nothing to do with Phil´s tests, just a person throwing BS statements like: "Canon... are sharper straight from the cam".
I just showed it´s not so. End of the story!
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Jukka
Greg Pavlov
Senior Member
Try to figure out what lenses you want and then buy a body
to mount them on: either one will do just fine. Actually, you
would probably do just fine by tossing a coin.
to mount them on: either one will do just fine. Actually, you
would probably do just fine by tossing a coin.
Greg Pavlov
Senior Member
It's also pretty clear that it can be the right camera for him,
and it's also pretty clear that people can take outstanding photos
with both of these cameras.
ellover009
Senior Member
Well hes going to use the camera in a controlled environment since it's for use in the studio, so any camera will fill your needs. They are both equally inferior.
Paruvachian
Active member
I think AF-S lenses are only meant for cropped sensors and can not be used on FF
Paruvachian
Active member
if u still use ur old cam u can have that lens too
Perhaps not, but Phil is not usually the one to play with settings to try to get the best shots from cameras. Actually it is more accurate for him not to do so. What I mean is he allows the camera to do things automatically as it was designed to do, such as auto white balance, expsoure, default settings, etc.
I am not stating at all that the d200 is a bad camera. I like it actually.
Obviously, you have no clue what you´re talking about, have you?
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Jukka
Not sure why you are taking this up with me honestly. I told you I like the camera. I told you that there is no issue at all in using the camera to its full potential and taking it out of normal settings. All I did was point out that Phil did something unusual, but he did point it out in the review. It is not like he was doing it to favor the camera, just to show that it needed it to keep up with default settings of the Canon. Just boost it up to high and it is as good as one wants.
Actually I know a lot of people that like to shoot with no sharpening at all so that they can do in themselves with software.
As I said it is a great camera.
Ken, no harm done! Nothing personal... as I said: a person (not you) throwing hogwash statements like: "Canon... are sharper straight from the cam".
As far as I understand term "straight from the cam" doesn´t mean default jpg shooting... there are buttons to make jpgs to your liking... And as I mention earlier, I´m not talking about what Phil did, Im´talking about that hogwash statement...
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Jukka
As far as I understand term "straight from the cam" doesn´t mean default jpg shooting... there are buttons to make jpgs to your liking... And as I mention earlier, I´m not talking about what Phil did, Im´talking about that hogwash statement...
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Jukka
ePan
Leading Member
The last sentence I wrote (since you seem to have misread it) said what lens system "I" would build on that could be moved to FF sensor. I'm sure the lenses "you" have are great, it's just that they're not the lenses "I" would want even if Sony/Nikon did introduce an FF sensor.Good points, Eric!
But what that last sentence actually mean? For example, I have a
Nikkor 300mm f/4 AF-S which I really love and it´s my most used
lens. If Nikon introdused a FF cam (it might, actually pretty soon,
the big boys say so)
why I should get rid off that lens... Or my Tamron 90... Or my
sigma 150... or my Nikkor 50...or my Nikkor 35 ... Do you have any
idea what you are talking about??? ...
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Jukka
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FrankG
Senior Member
Nope - that's not correct at all.
AF-S stands for Nikon's "Silentwave Auto-focus" system which is used on all their latest lens designs whether DX or FF designs. AFS or not - this has nothing to do with whether the lens is FF compatible or not.
Most of Nikon's lens range is fully 35mm FF compatible. The obvious exceptions are the 12-24DX, 17-55DX 18-70DX and 10.5DX fisheye. Even these lenses can still be fitted to any Nikon DSLR/SLR and will work - it's just that those (DX Lenses) which have a smaller imaging circle will tend to vignette (ie suffer corner cut-off) with FF (even then the 12-24 will work just fine in the 18-24 range with FF apparently).
R Valentino
Senior Member
which on the D200 would not be as fast as the discontinued AF-S version.
Pitty, Nikon's so greedy they force the consumer to spend $1600 judt to get modern focussing speed.
Thankfully Canon still gives the consumer the choice of IS/VR or not.
Gene
Pitty, Nikon's so greedy they force the consumer to spend $1600 judt to get modern focussing speed.
Thankfully Canon still gives the consumer the choice of IS/VR or not.
Gene
Kiet_Hang
Leading Member
As mentioned already.. you are wrong. AF-S = USM in Canon Speak..
Also, unlike the Canon EF-S lenses Which can only be mounted on a 1.6X cropped camerea, All current (since the AI series from the 70's) Nikon lenses wether they are DX or Not DX can be mounted on all Nikon SLR's Digital or Film.. You can still use Nikon's DX (Digital only) lenses can all be mounted to all current Nikon 35mm cameras without it damaging the camera, unlike when you try to mount an EF-S lens to anything other than the 1.6 cropped cameras..
Also, unlike the Canon EF-S lenses Which can only be mounted on a 1.6X cropped camerea, All current (since the AI series from the 70's) Nikon lenses wether they are DX or Not DX can be mounted on all Nikon SLR's Digital or Film.. You can still use Nikon's DX (Digital only) lenses can all be mounted to all current Nikon 35mm cameras without it damaging the camera, unlike when you try to mount an EF-S lens to anything other than the 1.6 cropped cameras..
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