3 vs 11 area focus on D40/D80

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Does it make much of a difference? can you use these areas to manually focus? and how?

I never owned an SLR including this very moment, so please excuse my question if it's not a clever one! :)
 
Hello,

The focus areas only apply to auto focus settings. 3 focus areas versus 11 areas is a huge difference. I would not buy the d40 simply on the fact that it only has 3 points to focus. But having 11 focus areas is really helpful for sports.

Hope this helps,

Rory
 
That is of course, IF your taking sport shots...

I read somewhere that they are helpful yes but won't make or break a deal...As long as it can focus in the center :)

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I wouldn't have a clue. I guess I am just old school, and it always seems much easier and natural to use the center focus area only. I only need one I suppose. I have had nikon dslr's for over 3 years and have never used anything but the center one. It seems awkward to change to one of the side ones to focus on something and then have to remember to change back and there is no way I would let a camera pick the focus area and decide for itself what I want to focus on.
 
If you are already used to focusing in the center and then recomposing, then you are fine. I've been focusing/recomposing all the time so to me the extra focus areas in the viewfinder are fust distractions.

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Most of time (99%) I only use the center focus point. I think the only time additional focus points would make a difference is during dynamic tracking of a moving image where the camera will re-focus if the subject moves from one sensor to another.

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Steve Simpkin
 
Steve,

So can I say that the extra focus area would be helpful if I were to take pictures of a subject that keeps moving?

I am in the same shoe trying to decide whether I should get the D40 or D80. My current camera is not a dslr. It's autofocus is slow so taking snap shots of my daughter is a challenge most of the time. Thanks for your input.

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For action the more focus points the better. For stationary
subjects most people use the center focus point and recompose after
focusing. For manual focus you use your eye.
Can you expand on this Morris? If I'm taking shots at a soccer game, how does the camera decide which of the available focus points I actually want to use? Did you mean that we should use the toggle to move the active focus point?!

Sorry, I'm with the other guys: happy to use the centre spot & recompose. In fact, my only regret is that I can't lock the focus point contol on my humble D50!

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My last camera had flex focus. The focus point could follow the action subject instead of relying on fixed points. I never used it. I don't do sports shots so never really had a use for it. Three are plenty for me and I usually switch it to center and recompose.
 
Would more points be better for macro than one centre point - or at least the ability to choose a point either off centre or not for macro image ?
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If you're using the green light to confirm manual focus (this works on the D80, even with manual lenses that won't meter), it seems to use the currently selected focus point.

To answer your question about the camera choosing focus points: it checks all the focus points and tries to identify a moving target within the frame. It then attempts to predict the movement of the target, and uses all of the available focus points to keep tracking that target. It can confirm (by illuminating in red, and boxing the focus points) which points are in focus.

So, in your soccer game, presumably you would point at a player. The camera would find the moving player in the scene, and try to use all available focus points to keep them in focus. That's the theory anyways.

The D80 has the same autofocus module as the D200, supposedly better at this sort of task. It may also be better at low light focus. Perhaps someone who has tried both could comment.

Remember, it seems that the D80/D50/D40series matrix meter uses a higher weighting on the selected focus point, so if you focus using the centre point as your main subject and recompose, it is possible that the meter will apply the weighting to something which is now background, and get a wrong exposure. You could help prevent this by locking exposure and recomposing, but potentially the entire scene could be changed enough to get an incorrect value this way as well. Moving the focus/meter point to the subject avoids this. That said, I haven't noticed this as a significant problem with my D80 so far.

Furthermore, in the time it takes to lock and recompose, the scene can change enough that the locked focus is no longer correct. I've found this sometimes with birds/wildlife and small children (or candids when your target won't sit still for you). Particularly here you want the focus to hit the eyes (or face depending on distance etc). It is sometimes easier to put the focus point at a predicted spot, and squeeze the shot when it intercepts the target.

I have also sometimes found it to be advantageous to move the point when moving the camera itself is likely to change the focus (eg macro without a tripod). If you're sufficiently skilled/steady, you could avoid this, but it's easier to just move the focus point where you want in my experience.
For action the more focus points the better. For stationary
subjects most people use the center focus point and recompose after
focusing. For manual focus you use your eye.
Can you expand on this Morris? If I'm taking shots at a soccer
game, how does the camera decide which of the available focus
points I actually want to use? Did you mean that we should use the
toggle to move the active focus point?!

Sorry, I'm with the other guys: happy to use the centre spot &
recompose. In fact, my only regret is that I can't lock the focus
point contol on my humble D50!

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http://www.pbase.com/cmalsingh
Food:
http://www.mangoidli.blogspot.com/
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my reasons for using multiple focus points

macro... multiple focus points can be useful, if you do not want the focus point in the center of frame. The DOF is so short that using center focus and recomposing would throw you off.

sports.... I often use AF-C so that the focus stays on the subject while subject is moving. I don't like subject to be in center of frame most of the time (rule of thirds), and with a quick touch of my thumb, I can change focus point, compose, and shoot. I maintain the control. I'm not aware of a mode on my D50 that attempts to find the subject you want in focus and focus on that. I do know there is a closest subject focus that will look at all the focus points and pick the closest thing to the camera in a focus point. I never use that.

tripod... It's a pain in the butt to focus on center and recompose for every shot taken from a tripod. multiple focus points can help here alot.

I wish my D50 had more of them as 5 is not enough. And this along with no AF motor would definately be a deal breaker for the D40 for me.
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Well, that's my opinion. The D50's 5 AF points usually suffice but I sometimes find myself wishing for an additional 2.

In any case, it wouldn't be much of an influence for me when buying a camera.
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It depends on which focus mode you use. Auto focus closet subject works well for many action situations and in this case the camera will focus on the focus point reproting the closest subject. There is also a dynamic mode in which the camera will follow the subject as it moves after you select focus on a focus point. These features vary camera to camera. On some brands of cameras other than Nikon, using the center focus point is the only choice.

Morris
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Focusing and recomposing.

Be careful - Besides the shortcomings already noted your subject may be out of focus. If taking portraits you focus and then recompose to position your subject say way right of centre (and maybe the Oscar they have just won or the family cat or the wedding cake etc etc just left of centre) the distance from lens to subject will have increased to a point where your subject may no longer be in focus. You are now on the hypotenuse of the triangle. We can all do the maths of that bit of geometry. Just check that against your DOF at f2.8!

I often find myself photographing theatre at f2.8 on a tripod. The main subject of your shot may well be off centre but you want the other characters in shot as well. You may say I hardly if ever do that but I bet you takes shots of your children/grandchildren singing in the school choir or whatever.

Portraits at f2.8 - it is best to focus on the eyes. Not easy to do on centre only focus without a lot of cropping! With 3 AF points you can take a good portrait shot and get it right but 111 points allows you to frame tighter in either portrait or landscape.
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Its a matter of what are you shooting. I do mainly landscapes and protraits.

I use the central focus point almost every time to really focus on what I want to and not on what the cam thinks is good. Keep in mind that you can seperate btw. focus and exposure with the AF/AE Lock buttom.
And 3 points are just simpler in layout in your viewfinder also.
 
I have 5, but I want 20. Ok, I'm asking for too much. =)

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