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Greg R said:
Please excuse the rant!

I shot a basketball game yesterday (about 140 shots) and one out of
three were in focus.
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are u in AI Servo mode?

in my experience, AI Servo on the D30 isn't so accurate with tracking motion coming towards and away from you. Compared to single shot mode, it is not so predictable whether the final shot will be in CRITICALLY SHARP focus.

AI Servo on the D30 is also painfully slow keeping up with fast moving subjects. Remember that you need to keep the centre focus point over the subject first, to let the AF acquire the subject, before tracking can start.

Anyway, to sum up, AI Servo on the D30 just doesn't really cut it. You really need AF in the EOS 1v / EOS 3 / EOS 1D class for fast action sports.
i doubt the D60 (whatever that will turn out to be) will suit u!

--Red Dawn
 
If you can't get good photos with the D30, it's not the cameras fault.

If (and I don't) I had the money to get the 1D, I wouldn't trade in my D30 to get it. I'd buy some more lenses. A LOT of things need to be upgraded in my equipment and computer bag before my D30 body.
Take care, and keep clickin
Jeff Graeber said:
As a photo retailer i see this all the time, and 99% of the time
with the male photographers. I work in a store that does half a
million daily in sales, so let me share a simple observation with
you.

Men spend the most money in the highest end toys, but dont have
good results.

Women spend an average or low amount of money on equipment they
need, and have splendid results.

I'm not joshing you either. Yes it'll be nice to have a 6mp digital
body, but do you need it?

yes there are faster autofocus systems, but do you need it? please
keep in mind that with USM lenses 2.8 or faster the d30 out focuses
an F100 unless the ligh level drops below 3 lux. i've used them and
i stand by that assessment.

should you spend $3k every year on the latest greatest toy, or
should you spend that money on a few good lenses, books, classes
and travel to nice places/events/whatever and LEARN photography?

I just bought a D30 because the price is right. I had budgeted $4k
on a camera purchase this year. I could either wait for the 6mp
cameras to be readily available to joe consumer end of summer and
blow most of that money on it, or i could as i just did spend it
all and get a d30, grip, 70-200 2.8l, 28-70 2.8l, lowepro 650 case,
4 128mb cards and 6 batteries?

mmmmm.....

oh i shoot weddings, sports and portraits. the first one i get paid
for on occaison.
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I'm not saying the D30 is perfect. I am saying that nearly a year and a half after its introduction, you still can't find more digital camera for the money.

I've seen your work, and you've gotten some excellent photos with it in low light situations. There's another guy on this forum winning air show awards with his D30 photos, and I've seen some excellent basketball photos with it. A couple of days ago I saw some of Bill Biggart's photos of the WTC bombing taken with the D30. I've posted a few of my photos, and given my level of competence, I've gotten excellent results with it shooting portraits and landscapes. That's a pretty wide range of photographic situations.

If you compare it with a 1D, which was a year later and costs more than 2 D30 bodies, yeah, the 1D will come out better. But the guys who come on this forum and say "I can't get a decent photo because of the D30's lousy focusing system" need to pile all their manuals in a neat stack, stand on top of them and shout "Does anybody know how to operate a camera?"

Did that qualify as a rant? I'm sorry if it did, David, and I'm not ranting at you. I thoroughly enjoy your input into this forum, but it's an excellent camera.

Take care and keep clickin.
DavidP said:
That all depends on what you're trying to shoot, and what
percentage of the shots you need to be sharp, and just HOW sharp
you need them.

The D-30 certainly has its problems in certain situations.
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One of the problems is that the first definition has been lost.

Main Entry:criticize

intransitive senses : to act as a critic
transitive senses

1 : to consider the merits and demerits of and judge accordingly : EVALUATE

2 : to find fault with : point out the faults of
Neil Buchan-Grant said:
The reason you get few critiques is that it takes a certain sort of
anally retentive berk to want to take someones pictures to bits
(unless he does it for a living, then he's a comercially justified,
anally retentive berk) If you look at postings of people who take
reasonable pictures, they get plenty of praise, its easy to praise,
but as a race, we are not motivated to criticise!
Brian Hansen said:
Jack A. Zucker said:
I can't help but notice that the majority of examples of D30 photos
I see in this forum are snapshots.
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The reason the majority of pics posted here are snapshots is when you
do post a photo you want critiqued, no one replies. I don't have a
lot
of options for critique. My friends and coworkers are not photogs.
My wife could care less - Investment Banker... Because I am fairly
new to this, I haven't met many photographers in Milwaukee. The
only way for me to learn from my photos is posting to forums. This
is the one I trust the most. Except that has been challenged
lately with
the D60 rumor BS. I feel I could become a much better photographer
with some good strong critiques. I know I could post in the gallery
forum, but I want opinions from D30 owners. With this being the most
visited D30 forum on the net - it is the most likely place to post
pics you
want critiqued by D30 owners. When you do - you get 4 replies from
mostly people that have the same amount of experience as you have.

What does it take to get your photos critiqued - strongly I might add
without thinking it will hurt someones thin feelings. Realize that
the
person posting is doing it to understand what they are doing wrong
and at the same time - what they are doing right. You can read all
the books and educational websites but there is nothing like some good
strong critisism to learn how to do something from people that know
what they're talking about.

I still believe most of the threads in this forum are started by
people
who want to see how many replies they can get (can you say Trolls).
OR by people who don't know how or are too lazy to search.

My sixth sense,
Brian Hansen
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Neil
http://www.neilbuchangrant.co.uk
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Jeff............you lost me in your first sentence. You stated that you work in a store that does 1/2 million is sales daily in sales. I assume that you are referring to photo sales. That's around 156 million a year assuming a 6 day work week. I seriously doubt it.

Bob
Jeff Graeber said:
As a photo retailer i see this all the time, and 99% of the time
with the male photographers. I work in a store that does half a
million daily in sales, so let me share a simple observation with
you.

Men spend the most money in the highest end toys, but dont have
good results.

Women spend an average or low amount of money on equipment they
need, and have splendid results.

I'm not joshing you either. Yes it'll be nice to have a 6mp digital
body, but do you need it?

yes there are faster autofocus systems, but do you need it? please
keep in mind that with USM lenses 2.8 or faster the d30 out focuses
an F100 unless the ligh level drops below 3 lux. i've used them and
i stand by that assessment.

should you spend $3k every year on the latest greatest toy, or
should you spend that money on a few good lenses, books, classes
and travel to nice places/events/whatever and LEARN photography?

I just bought a D30 because the price is right. I had budgeted $4k
on a camera purchase this year. I could either wait for the 6mp
cameras to be readily available to joe consumer end of summer and
blow most of that money on it, or i could as i just did spend it
all and get a d30, grip, 70-200 2.8l, 28-70 2.8l, lowepro 650 case,
4 128mb cards and 6 batteries?

mmmmm.....

oh i shoot weddings, sports and portraits. the first one i get paid
for on occaison.
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Stephen Cook said:
I'm not saying the D30 is perfect. I am saying that nearly a year
and a half after its introduction, you still can't find more
digital camera for the money.
I've seen your work, and you've gotten some excellent photos with
it in low light situations. There's another guy on this forum
winning air show awards with his D30 photos, and I've seen some
excellent basketball photos with it..
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Last November I won some portrait photo competition with pictures from D30, printed on Epson 1290, while on the second place was guy with pictures taken with middle format Mamiya :-))
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It's too bad you have to be nasty. Photography is about having fun taking pictures. Whatever idea you have about what kind of pictures people should take or have fun with is your own opinion but you are not very kind.

You should be ashamed.
Jack A. Zucker said:
I've kept quiet this long but I'm going to say something now. Not
that I'm any great photographer or anything but...

I can't help but notice that the majority of examples of D30 photos
I see in this forum are snapshots. I wonder how many of you folks
have maxed out the existing technology before jumping onto a new
equipment bandwagon. Somehow I don't think many of us have reached
the point where the image quality is holding us back.

Of course there are some pros here and folks who need the better
autofocus but I'm guessing the vast majority of folks are still
struggling with exposure and composition...

Anyway, I'm sure I'll get flamed but that's my $0.02

Jaz
--
http://www.jackzucker.com
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Stephen Cook said:
Stephen Cook said:
Last November I won some portrait photo competition with pictures
from D30, printed on Epson 1290, while on the second place was guy
with pictures taken with middle format Mamiya :-))
Lubor
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Thank you :-). Here are some of them (these are unedited and more compressed, I have "real" ones on the other computer :-) :



; (the winnig one)
http://konicek.f.cz/pictures/CRW_1456s.JPG
http://konicek.f.cz/pictures/CRW_1381s.JPG
http://konicek.f.cz/pictures/CRW_1291s.JPG

All was shot during 2 hour competition.

I am currently working on my homepage, there will be some more pictures.

Lubor
[email protected]
 
Another great site for photo critiques is:

http://www.photosig.com
Jeffrey said:
Jeffrey Lazo said:
What does it take to get your photos critiqued - strongly I might add
without thinking it will hurt someones thin feelings. Realize that
the
person posting is doing it to understand what they are doing wrong
and at the same time - what they are doing right.
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Check out:
http://www.photo.net

This site is geared toward pro photographers and they have a very
active critique area. Post your pictures, and they will be very
critical, but at the same time helpful. The equipment used for the
photo is not taken into consideration, just the image itself.
Check it out!
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The judges knew what they were doing. The winner was definitely the best of the bunch, although I liked the others. The one of the model standing by the fountain could have been a winner, but the d*mned power lines in the background probably hurt in the judging.

Sometimes I get very frustrated trying to find a backdrop that doesn't have a parking lot or power lines in it. Anyway, very nice work. Were the models provided for the competition, or do you just have terrific persuasive powers?
 
Stephen Cook said:
The judges knew what they were doing. The winner was definitely
the best of the bunch, although I liked the others. The one of the
model standing by the fountain could have been a winner, but the
d*mned power lines in the background probably hurt in the judging.
Sometimes I get very frustrated trying to find a backdrop that
doesn't have a parking lot or power lines in it. Anyway, very nice
work. Were the models provided for the competition, or do you just
have terrific persuasive powers?
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Provided :-) - it was model competition (kind of "miss" for models) and within it was 2 hour competition for photographers (open for amateur and pros), location was given - hotel and close neighborhood.
Thanks for response :-)

Lubor

P.S. I will be few days off line now, just going to bussiness trip. L.
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Jack A. Zucker said:
I've kept quiet this long but I'm going to say something now. Not
that I'm any great photographer or anything but...

I can't help but notice that the majority of examples of D30 photos
I see in this forum are snapshots.
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I read most of the posts in response and a question kept coming to mind...
What is a snapshot? Is it a potential "throwaway" shot, or is it more than that?

I certainly don't have a definitive answer in the context of your comment, but it would seem that it is a slice of life and a point in time the photographer is trying to capture and save. Using that as a definition, almost any picture we take may be a snapshot, particularly when it is of people. Of course landscapes, scenics, and even modeling shots may start to depart from that definition, but not entirely.

Important to a lot of us is the desire to catch the fleeting moments in life, whether it be the light on a landscape at a particular moment or the expression on the face of someone we love. We want that moment to remember, and one of the best memory aids is a picture...a snapshot, if you will. As we progress in our use of our cameras we of course become more conscious of lighting and composition and try to get it right, but the important thing is really the moment we are trying to capture and save. The moment and mood itself is important.
Member said:
I wonder how many of you folks
have maxed out the existing technology before jumping onto a new
equipment bandwagon. Somehow I don't think many of us have reached
the point where the image quality is holding us back.
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Can't speak for others, but as far as my capabilities are concerned, I know I haven't even begun to use the equipment I have to it's fullest...probably never will. However, the D30 gave me the "L" virus, and have to admit I have indulged myself far more than I should, I imagine. I tend to think that is probably also true with a lot of the members who participate in this forum.
Member said:
Of course there are some pros here and folks who need the better
autofocus but I'm guessing the vast majority of folks are still
struggling with exposure and composition...
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Going back to the concept/definition of a snapshot, I do think the quality and capability of the equipment used can make a difference in the end "product"(for lack of a better word). Capturing a moment in time of something significant in one's life can be pretty important to the photographer, whether he is a pro who is trying to get a shot of an athlete at the Olympics or a parent/grandparent capturing the first steps of a child.

If we miss that one-time opportunity because our equipment doesn't have good autofocusing capabilities and/or metering ability, then it doesn't really matter which catagory we fall into, we missed an opportunity because of the equipment we were using. Now, we may be trying to use the equipment to overcome our own deficiencies, but does that really matter? If we are aware we are deficient in something it then behooves us to compensate any way we can, whether it be better equipment or by taking a class in composition and lighting.
Member said:
Anyway, I'm sure I'll get flamed but that's my $0.02

Jaz
--
http://www.jackzucker.com
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This is certainly not a "flame". Your post and all the responses got me to thinking about what I really want to accomplish with my efforts at photography. It really helped me clarify in my mind what I want to do. I want to capture that "memorable moment", preserve it, and share it with those I love. I would hope that I'm not alone in that, and that others who participate here share those ideas, whatever equipment we choose to use.

I just hope you and others can forgive my digression into "philosophy". I do think we all should have a purpose for our photography, whether it is to create a work of art or to preserve those moments in time. We'll do a better job if we know what our goals are and always keep them in mind.--Wileydd
 
As I posted earlier - my purpose in photography, as in life, is to have fun. There is no reason to justify buying whatever anyone wants. Certainly not to strangers on an internet chat room!!!

After reading this Forum and the Canon Talk Forum for over a year this is my take! Many people are jealous of those who are interested in getting new equipment. When I took back my G1 to order a Pro90 I was flamed over and over again by G1 owners, even after I praised the G1 but explained I desired the longer zoom on the Pro90.

Like many others, I decided to wait to get a DSLR. I did not want first generation Canon DSLR and I didn't need it. Having the Pro90 and my film gear plus film scanner allowed me the time to wait and see what Canon could come up with on it's second go around.

Many posters talk about how great the D30 is and I think it is a wonderful tool. Will the D60 suck? That's what the jealous people want everyone to believe! They also want everyone to believe that you can pick up a new D30 for $1450 and better use the extra money on new glass. Of course you can't get a new D30 for that price. A new D30 is over $2000 - a refurbished D30 is less if you can find one. Some prefer buying new although I would have no problem buying refurbished.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE! New tech will keep coming and some will want the latest or at least want the choice of buying existing or cutting edge. I want to know everything I can about the D60 ? because I am in the market for a DSLR. I already own all the great Canon glass I need, already have the camera bags, belts and backpacks, already have the great Bogen sticks and monopod. What I need is a DSLR body to play with and if the D60 ? sucks and costs too much I can always pick up an old tech D30.

I am a computer consultant. Up until a month ago I ran my business on a 333 Mhz machine while many of my clients had 1.7 Pentium 4's. Some of these clients can barely turn the computer on and only do word processing and email. Should they have all bought 386 computers because they are not as computer proficient as I am? Ridiculous!

Enjoy what you have but there is no need to judge others and be so critical of new tech that you have not seen yet. Also be careful judging what others spend their own money on because it is their money and you probably would not want someone making you justify your life choices.

BTW - I like snapshots - sometimes they are very compelling to me.

PS - If I end up getting the D60 I will be sure to post a gallery of out of focus, poorly composed, noisy, soft and color shifted snapshots so current owners of the D30 can flame me about being a loser who doesn't deserve to own such an expensive piece of equipment. These same people can point out that they are superior human beings because they didn't buy the latest (this time around) and they are the only ones who's photos have any value!

Peace!
 
Well said!

Jim
David Hickey said:
As I posted earlier - my purpose in photography, as in life, is to
have fun. There is no reason to justify buying whatever anyone
wants. Certainly not to strangers on an internet chat room!!!

After reading this Forum and the Canon Talk Forum for over a year
this is my take! Many people are jealous of those who are
interested in getting new equipment. When I took back my G1 to
order a Pro90 I was flamed over and over again by G1 owners, even
after I praised the G1 but explained I desired the longer zoom on
the Pro90.

Like many others, I decided to wait to get a DSLR. I did not want
first generation Canon DSLR and I didn't need it. Having the Pro90
and my film gear plus film scanner allowed me the time to wait and
see what Canon could come up with on it's second go around.

Many posters talk about how great the D30 is and I think it is a
wonderful tool. Will the D60 suck? That's what the jealous people
want everyone to believe! They also want everyone to believe that
you can pick up a new D30 for $1450 and better use the extra money
on new glass. Of course you can't get a new D30 for that price. A
new D30 is over $2000 - a refurbished D30 is less if you can find
one. Some prefer buying new although I would have no problem buying
refurbished.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE! New tech will keep coming and some will want
the latest or at least want the choice of buying existing or
cutting edge. I want to know everything I can about the D60 ?
because I am in the market for a DSLR. I already own all the great
Canon glass I need, already have the camera bags, belts and
backpacks, already have the great Bogen sticks and monopod. What I
need is a DSLR body to play with and if the D60 ? sucks and costs
too much I can always pick up an old tech D30.

I am a computer consultant. Up until a month ago I ran my business
on a 333 Mhz machine while many of my clients had 1.7 Pentium 4's.
Some of these clients can barely turn the computer on and only do
word processing and email. Should they have all bought 386
computers because they are not as computer proficient as I am?
Ridiculous!

Enjoy what you have but there is no need to judge others and be so
critical of new tech that you have not seen yet. Also be careful
judging what others spend their own money on because it is their
money and you probably would not want someone making you justify
your life choices.

BTW - I like snapshots - sometimes they are very compelling to me.

PS - If I end up getting the D60 I will be sure to post a gallery
of out of focus, poorly composed, noisy, soft and color shifted
snapshots so current owners of the D30 can flame me about being a
loser who doesn't deserve to own such an expensive piece of
equipment. These same people can point out that they are superior
human beings because they didn't buy the latest (this time around)
and they are the only ones who's photos have any value!

Peace!
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I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. Although I am nothing but a stranger here in an internet chat room.--Steve Mitchell http://mitchjaz.com/Boxcarmainpage
 
Don't worry, it's not too late. You can still buy a D30! :)

Allan
David Hickey said:
As I posted earlier - my purpose in photography, as in life, is to
have fun. There is no reason to justify buying whatever anyone
wants. Certainly not to strangers on an internet chat room!!!

After reading this Forum and the Canon Talk Forum for over a year
this is my take! Many people are jealous of those who are
interested in getting new equipment. When I took back my G1 to
order a Pro90 I was flamed over and over again by G1 owners, even
after I praised the G1 but explained I desired the longer zoom on
the Pro90.

Like many others, I decided to wait to get a DSLR. I did not want
first generation Canon DSLR and I didn't need it. Having the Pro90
and my film gear plus film scanner allowed me the time to wait and
see what Canon could come up with on it's second go around.

Many posters talk about how great the D30 is and I think it is a
wonderful tool. Will the D60 suck? That's what the jealous people
want everyone to believe! They also want everyone to believe that
you can pick up a new D30 for $1450 and better use the extra money
on new glass. Of course you can't get a new D30 for that price. A
new D30 is over $2000 - a refurbished D30 is less if you can find
one. Some prefer buying new although I would have no problem buying
refurbished.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE! New tech will keep coming and some will want
the latest or at least want the choice of buying existing or
cutting edge. I want to know everything I can about the D60 ?
because I am in the market for a DSLR. I already own all the great
Canon glass I need, already have the camera bags, belts and
backpacks, already have the great Bogen sticks and monopod. What I
need is a DSLR body to play with and if the D60 ? sucks and costs
too much I can always pick up an old tech D30.

I am a computer consultant. Up until a month ago I ran my business
on a 333 Mhz machine while many of my clients had 1.7 Pentium 4's.
Some of these clients can barely turn the computer on and only do
word processing and email. Should they have all bought 386
computers because they are not as computer proficient as I am?
Ridiculous!

Enjoy what you have but there is no need to judge others and be so
critical of new tech that you have not seen yet. Also be careful
judging what others spend their own money on because it is their
money and you probably would not want someone making you justify
your life choices.

BTW - I like snapshots - sometimes they are very compelling to me.

PS - If I end up getting the D60 I will be sure to post a gallery
of out of focus, poorly composed, noisy, soft and color shifted
snapshots so current owners of the D30 can flame me about being a
loser who doesn't deserve to own such an expensive piece of
equipment. These same people can point out that they are superior
human beings because they didn't buy the latest (this time around)
and they are the only ones who's photos have any value!

Peace!
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