No timer delay for remote w/ G2?!

I was surprised and dissapointed to learn that Canon would discourage studio work, even with their new G2. In working with a model or still subject such as a product display or that needs to be art directed, a remote (or longer cable) is essential.Thankfully, Canon realised this and included a remote with the camera, which tipped the balance for me from the Nikon 5000 (although I prefer the pixel increase and overall feel in the Nikon - sturdier and more professional overall). For self portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not function with the remote. What are these guys thinking? Are there other glitches and red flags to look for with this camera? (I have less than a week to return it). Already, when charging the battery for the first time, the rubber guard seems to be waiting to get snagged/pulled/fall off the side of the camera - flimsy design decision. Let me know -thanks.--Bill

Bill54 said:

I was surprised and dissapointed to learn that Canon would
discourage studio work, even with their new G2. In working with a
model or still subject such as a product display or that needs to
be art directed, a remote (or longer cable) is
essential.Thankfully, Canon realised this and included a remote
with the camera, which tipped the balance for me from the Nikon
5000 (although I prefer the pixel increase and overall feel in the
Nikon - sturdier and more professional overall). For self
portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not
function with the remote. What are these guys thinking?

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Calm down. There is always a delay in remote control shots.

Simon82733 said:

Are there
other glitches and red flags to look for with this camera? (I have
less than a week to return it). Already, when charging the battery
for the first time, the rubber guard seems to be waiting to get
snagged/pulled/fall off the side of the camera - flimsy design
decision. Let me know -thanks.

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That rubber door will last forever.

eg said:

Calm down. There is always a delay in remote control shots.

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eg #37159 said:

That rubber door will last forever.

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WRONG: The remote does not allow a 10 sec delay option, as I said (call Canon support if you ned confirmation 1.800.8284040). Furthermore, there is no way of getting around this with a cable either, since the G2 has no cable capabilities at all. Glad you are guarantying the flimsy rubber side cover for life - what's your company, if there's a problem?

--Bill

I believe that there is a built in 2 sec delay ... that you can get rid of

If your in your studio, you can control the G2 via a PC using USB cord (I actually bought a 10" extension) --I use Breeze Remote Control Software --more control than Canon's

Ed

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Bill54 said:

eg said:

Calm down. There is always a delay in remote control shots.

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Simon82733 said:

That rubber door will last forever.

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WRONG: The remote does not allow a 10 sec delay option, as I said
(call Canon support if you ned confirmation 1.800.8284040).
Furthermore, there is no way of getting around this with a cable
either, since the G2 has no cable capabilities at all. Glad you are
guarantying the flimsy rubber side cover for life - what's your
company, if there's a problem?

--
Bill

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--Ed Schulman http://perceptions-web-designers.com

Yah... the remote only has 2 secs delay, and self-timer only has 10secs. The rubber guard is a lousy design, but if you ain't too rough with it, it shouldn't be a big problem.

Other cons on the G2 includes: almost useless MF frame, cheesy compact flash/battery door... it's centainly not a camera for rough/wet outdoor usage IMO.

If you want great looking, great ergonomic, and solid like a brick camera, get the CP5000. I don't see a reason to talk you out of it.

Tony

Simon82733 said:

Nikon - sturdier and more professional overall). For self
portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not
function with the remote. What are these guys thinking? Are there
other glitches and red flags to look for with this camera? (I have
less than a week to return it). Already, when charging the battery
for the first time, the rubber guard seems to be waiting to get
snagged/pulled/fall off the side of the camera - flimsy design
decision. Let me know -thanks.
--
Bill

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Bill54 said:

eg said:

Calm down. There is always a delay in remote control shots.

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Simon82733 said:

That rubber door will last forever.

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WRONG: The remote does not allow a 10 sec delay option, as I said
(call Canon support if you ned confirmation 1.800.8284040).

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There is a delay, but not a 10 second delay. There is plenty of time to pocket the remote before the shot. No need for me to call Canon, since I have a G2.

Simon82733 said:

Furthermore, there is no way of getting around this with a cable
either, since the G2 has no cable capabilities at all. Glad you are
guarantying the flimsy rubber side cover for life - what's your
company, if there's a problem?

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The rubber door is stronger than you think. I suppose you can yank it off, but it's not going to break on its own. It's the same as the G1 and I have never heard of a problem with it.

Maybe if you stop being a smart ass, you can learn something on this forum.

Woah... Calm down indeed!

I have a G1 and when I use the remote it does delay. I'm sure the delay is not something they would get rid of on the G2.

Also although most have complained about the "flimsy doors" I have not heard one account of them actually coming off.

Don't get so jumpy... if you don't like the camera, just return it and try another. Find what you like/need and everyone will be happy in the end.

Bill54 said:

eg said:

Calm down. There is always a delay in remote control shots.

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Simon82733 said:

That rubber door will last forever.

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WRONG: The remote does not allow a 10 sec delay option, as I said
(call Canon support if you ned confirmation 1.800.8284040).
Furthermore, there is no way of getting around this with a cable
either, since the G2 has no cable capabilities at all. Glad you are
guarantying the flimsy rubber side cover for life - what's your
company, if there's a problem?

--
Bill

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--Dani

Simon82733 said:

WRONG: The remote does not allow a 10 sec delay option, as I said
(call Canon support if you ned confirmation 1.800.8284040).
Furthermore, there is no way of getting around this with a cable
either, since the G2 has no cable capabilities at all. Glad you are
guarantying the flimsy rubber side cover for life - what's your
company, if there's a problem?

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Gee Bill, one should think that someone who doesn't own the camera would take it from people who do. There is a 10 second delay whenever you use the remote control, or at least, whenever I have used the remote. In fact, I'm not even sure you can disable it, even though usually I'd rather NOT have the delay.

As for the "flimsy" rubber cover, everyone's been paranoid about it since the G1 first came out more than a year and a half ago, and I've yet to hear about anyone whose cover got broken. In my own opinion, and based on having owned both the G1 and G2, the plastic CF door seems much more fragile than the "flimsy" rubber cover. I can (and have) dangled my camera from the little cover without any trouble. It'll last as long as the rest of the camera does. The CP5000 is a fine camera, but I hope if you decide to go with it you have a better reason than the rubber cover and the (non-existant) remote control issue, else you will cheat yourself out of owning what is a delightful camera.

Neil--L. Kraven

Angel with a Sword said:

I have a G1 and when I use the remote it does delay. I'm sure the
delay is not something they would get rid of on the G2.

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No, there is no 10 second timer delay when using the remote (by using it, it negates that function). Sorry if I sound jumpy, it's just that there seems to be a lot of misinformation out there and it's been getting somewhat frustrating. There is no cable capabilities at all, either. I had hoped digital cameras were aimed at making photography more efficient - my mistake.--Bill

eg said:

Maybe if you stop being a smart ass, you can learn something on
this forum.

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I don't think name calling is appropriate or constructive for this forum. Will gladly forward your
response to dp reviews for there own followup Try to calm down.
--Bill

Before saying that it is useless, have you tried it yet? I use the remote for self-portraits all the time so I wouldn't exactly call it useless - it's the only way I can get any pictures of me in the family scrapbook as I am the main picture-taker. The manual states that the time from when the shutter is depressed to the time it snaps the picture is 2 seconds (pg. 122). In reality, mine seems to be closer to 3 or 4 (though I have not actually timed it with a stopwatch, but it's definitely longer than 2 sec.). Mostly when I've taken my portrait, I have shot from the chest up - the picture looks better anyway and I don't have to "hide" the remote. I have more than enough time to move my arm out of the picture and smile. Any longer and my smile starts to go stiff. Really, IMO, the delay is just about perfect - esp. if you are trying to shoot a picture of yourself with an impatient 5-year-old (and then it's almost even TOO long)! Try it. And don't just try it once - see what works and what doesn't. Experiment. You might actually be surprised

As for the rubber guard, I can't help you there. Yes, it does seem flimsy. Yes, everyone complains about it. But, to reiterate what others have said, I have never heard of one actually breaking. You could try searching this forum to see, though.

Good luck!
Linda

Bill54 said:

I was surprised and dissapointed to learn that Canon would
discourage studio work, even with their new G2. In working with a
model or still subject such as a product display or that needs to
be art directed, a remote (or longer cable) is
essential.Thankfully, Canon realised this and included a remote
with the camera, which tipped the balance for me from the Nikon
5000 (although I prefer the pixel increase and overall feel in the
Nikon - sturdier and more professional overall). For self
portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not
function with the remote. What are these guys thinking? Are there
other glitches and red flags to look for with this camera? (I have
less than a week to return it). Already, when charging the battery
for the first time, the rubber guard seems to be waiting to get
snagged/pulled/fall off the side of the camera - flimsy design
decision. Let me know -thanks.
--
Bill

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L. Kraven said:

L. Kraven said:

WRONG: The remote does not allow a 10 sec delay option, as I said
(call Canon support if you ned confirmation 1.800.8284040).
Furthermore, there is no way of getting around this with a cable
either, since the G2 has no cable capabilities at all. Glad you are
guarantying the flimsy rubber side cover for life - what's your
company, if there's a problem?

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Gee Bill, one should think that someone who doesn't own the camera
would take it from people who do. There is a 10 second delay
whenever you use the remote control, or at least, whenever I have
used the remote.

Neil

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I do have one, Neil. There is a 2 second delay with the remote, not 10. Wanna trade?--Bill

...except, of course, for the extremely slow lens, blown highlights, chromatic abberations, poor battery life, slow AF, poorly place flash meter, higher price, lower usability, etc etc...

Tony Lau #65171 said:

If you want great looking, great ergonomic, and solid like a brick
camera, get the CP5000. I don't see a reason to talk you out of it.

Tony

Tony Lau #65171 said:

Nikon - sturdier and more professional overall). For self
portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not
function with the remote. What are these guys thinking? Are there
other glitches and red flags to look for with this camera? (I have
less than a week to return it). Already, when charging the battery
for the first time, the rubber guard seems to be waiting to get
snagged/pulled/fall off the side of the camera - flimsy design
decision. Let me know -thanks.
--
Bill

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--------------------------------------i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.

Bill,

I have no problem with the delay already built into the remote and while I was unsure of the rubber door before buying the G2 I now believe it is sturdier, less prone to accidents and will last longer than the plastic doors. Therefore, I can't comment on what you may consider to be any other "glitches or red flags".

I sure don't want one but I think you are just right for the Nikon CP5K.

CRL

Bill54 said:

I was surprised and dissapointed to learn that Canon would
discourage studio work, even with their new G2. In working with a
model or still subject such as a product display or that needs to
be art directed, a remote (or longer cable) is
essential.Thankfully, Canon realised this and included a remote
with the camera, which tipped the balance for me from the Nikon
5000 (although I prefer the pixel increase and overall feel in the
Nikon - sturdier and more professional overall). For self
portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not
function with the remote. What are these guys thinking? Are there
other glitches and red flags to look for with this camera? (I have
less than a week to return it). Already, when charging the battery
for the first time, the rubber guard seems to be waiting to get
snagged/pulled/fall off the side of the camera - flimsy design
decision. Let me know -thanks.
--
Bill

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Bill54 said:

I do have one, Neil. There is a 2 second delay with the remote, not
10. Wanna trade?

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Yup, it's 2-3 seconds with the remote. I don't really understand why this is a problem though. That's plenty of time to get composed in the shot after triggering the remote - the 10 second delay without the remote represents the time you'd need to run round the camera and get in the frame. You don't need that much time if you have the remote. I'm glad it's 2 seconds not 10 with the remote as 10 seconds would cause too much anticipation and I'd have too much time to think of pulling a dumb face at the camera Also, when shooting macros I often use the remote (holding my hand round the camera to fire it). I find 2 seconds too long in this situation. The preferable solution would have been for Canon to offer a choice 0, 2 and 10 second delays.

As for the "flimsy" rubber door, it's a total non issue. There's never been a report of one falling off a G1 or a G2, even after extensive use.

By the way Bill, try being a little less confrontational in your posts - perhaps you don't mean to be, but that's how you come over. People offer advice here with the best of intentions and sometimes we get things wrong.

Cheers
Martin

Simon82733 said:

For self
portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not
function with the remote.

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Bill,

Please explain why you need the 10 second delay and the remote for self-portraits?!?!?

Also, why in a message posted today in the Nikon forum are you saying that you may be forced to go over to a G2? I thought you said you already had the G2?
JimmieD

Bill54 said:

I was surprised and dissapointed to learn that Canon would
discourage studio work, even with their new G2. In working with a
model or still subject such as a product display or that needs to
be art directed, a remote (or longer cable) is
essential.Thankfully, Canon realised this and included a remote
with the camera, which tipped the balance for me from the Nikon
5000 (although I prefer the pixel increase and overall feel in the
Nikon - sturdier and more professional overall). For self
portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not
function with the remote. What are these guys thinking? Are there
other glitches and red flags to look for with this camera? (I have
less than a week to return it). Already, when charging the battery
for the first time, the rubber guard seems to be waiting to get
snagged/pulled/fall off the side of the camera - flimsy design
decision. Let me know -thanks.
--
Bill

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Saw this neat little guide on putting cable release for digital camera... I probably won't needing this, but some hardcore people(such as Bill) may want to take a look:

http://www.mediachance.com/digicam/cablerelease/index.htm

Hope it helps,
Tony

Tony,

Thats a real cute little idea - but dumb!! I think Bill54 has had his bluff called. I doubt he'll be back. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why anyone would want a 10 second delay on his remote. I would prefer no delay, or a choice between no delay and 2 seconds. Two seconds is quite long enough time for me to ditch the remote and strike a pose. But when using it for baby or infant shots I would much prefer instant response.

But what do I know??--Happy SnappingDon McVee http://www.pbase.com/mcveed/galleries

Very likely, JimmieD!

That is why I think Bill is truly deserving of the Nikon CP5K.

CRL

JimmieD said:

Member said:

For self
portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not
function with the remote.

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Bill,
Please explain why you need the 10 second delay and the remote for
self-portraits?!?!?

Also, why in a message posted today in the Nikon forum are you
saying that you may be forced to go over to a G2? I thought you
said you already had the G2?
JimmieD

Bill54 said:

I was surprised and dissapointed to learn that Canon would
discourage studio work, even with their new G2. In working with a
model or still subject such as a product display or that needs to
be art directed, a remote (or longer cable) is
essential.Thankfully, Canon realised this and included a remote
with the camera, which tipped the balance for me from the Nikon
5000 (although I prefer the pixel increase and overall feel in the
Nikon - sturdier and more professional overall). For self
portraits, the remote is useless, since the timer delay does not
function with the remote. What are these guys thinking? Are there
other glitches and red flags to look for with this camera? (I have
less than a week to return it). Already, when charging the battery
for the first time, the rubber guard seems to be waiting to get
snagged/pulled/fall off the side of the camera - flimsy design
decision. Let me know -thanks.
--
Bill

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Get a Nikon and stop irritating us with your attitude and trivial complaints!

Bill54 said:

eg said:

Calm down. There is always a delay in remote control shots.

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Simon82733 said:

That rubber door will last forever.

Click to expand...

WRONG: The remote does not allow a 10 sec delay option, as I said
(call Canon support if you ned confirmation 1.800.8284040).
Furthermore, there is no way of getting around this with a cable
either, since the G2 has no cable capabilities at all. Glad you are
guarantying the flimsy rubber side cover for life - what's your
company, if there's a problem?

--
Bill

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