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Ulysses
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Thanks for the great perspective jpadama.
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You have to be more clear on this. The price range of digicams is HUGE. What is there price range. For the price of an F707, they could get high 8 or vhc-c video cam(around $300) AND a decent compact 2MP stillcam ($3-$400)
Darrin Behm
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If you go with the digital camera then you can do what I have done with my boy. Buy a few cheap hand held tape decks and leave them lying around the house. When they fist start talking or later when they start singing their favorite songs you always have a recording device close by. These than can be transfered to CDs later.
You can also use minidiscs and Archos has a digital hard drive MP3 player/recorder.
I have audio tapes my parents made of my brother and myself more than 30 yrs ago and they are precious. No there is no visual but just hearing my brother at 2 yrs old, my Grandmothers and my voice is great!!!
Darrin
You can also use minidiscs and Archos has a digital hard drive MP3 player/recorder.
I have audio tapes my parents made of my brother and myself more than 30 yrs ago and they are precious. No there is no visual but just hearing my brother at 2 yrs old, my Grandmothers and my voice is great!!!
Darrin
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Tom L.
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Ulysses,
We are expecting our first child in June! My wife and I discussed this topic a bit as a result and we decided on still camera.
Reasons:
Neither of us had much experience with a video camera.
Neither have much appreciation for the home videos of others we have seen particularly births and weddings. They always seem to be of such poor quality. (But I can't say I have ever seen a professional video or one taken by a SERIOUS/SKILLED amateur though.) However, neither of us has footage of ourselves or immediate family so maybe we don't have a proper perspective on it. Others are making some seemingly valid points regarding the documentary quality - looking back in 20 or 30 years...
I have always been an avid hobbyist when it comes to photograpbhy as opposed to videography.
Biggest factor in my mind - I have a sense that depending on a video cam to capture the child's growth would create an even greater separation from the scene than a camera. To explain - I am afraid that if I try to video tape a birthday party for instance, I would spend two hours shooting video and not actually participating in my child's life. There is some degree of this with a still camera, but although you may spend a couple minutes here and there fussing over shots, there is much less of a threat.
Now some of these are unique to my wife and I, others are subjective, and some may be bunk. This thread has made me wonder if we made the right choice. I have always thought it would be nice to have as a supplement to the DA (and as one more hi-tech toy for me!).
FWIW...
Tom L.
We are expecting our first child in June! My wife and I discussed this topic a bit as a result and we decided on still camera.
Reasons:
Neither of us had much experience with a video camera.
Neither have much appreciation for the home videos of others we have seen particularly births and weddings. They always seem to be of such poor quality. (But I can't say I have ever seen a professional video or one taken by a SERIOUS/SKILLED amateur though.) However, neither of us has footage of ourselves or immediate family so maybe we don't have a proper perspective on it. Others are making some seemingly valid points regarding the documentary quality - looking back in 20 or 30 years...
I have always been an avid hobbyist when it comes to photograpbhy as opposed to videography.
Biggest factor in my mind - I have a sense that depending on a video cam to capture the child's growth would create an even greater separation from the scene than a camera. To explain - I am afraid that if I try to video tape a birthday party for instance, I would spend two hours shooting video and not actually participating in my child's life. There is some degree of this with a still camera, but although you may spend a couple minutes here and there fussing over shots, there is much less of a threat.
Now some of these are unique to my wife and I, others are subjective, and some may be bunk. This thread has made me wonder if we made the right choice. I have always thought it would be nice to have as a supplement to the DA (and as one more hi-tech toy for me!).
FWIW...
Tom L.
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Ulysses
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Sounds like you have a lot of excitement ahead of you, both in terms of the experience of having a new child, as well as the new digital imaging experiences. I'm sure you'll enjoy all of it. 
Thx for the input!
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Thx for the input!
-- Ulysses
Both. I have a baby and using my digital stiill camera(CASIO QV-3000) and mini-DV camcorder(Canon ZR-30) depending on situation. It is a lot of fun shooting real video starring baby
- dozens minutes with really good quality(not MJPEG).
- dozens minutes with really good quality(not MJPEG).
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Arlene
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Especially if it's the first baby. You'll want to remember every nuance of your child's development and it will bring you untold pleasure to see the tapes years later and actually hear your baby gurggling. Photos are what you look at the most and decorate the home with. Videos are to bring out for special occasions. Imagine your child at 11yrs old being able to see him or herself animated and talking at age 2. You must have both.
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Well . . . I haven't actually been on the photographer's end of this . . .but speaking from the other end I don't think this is a concern. I mean, its not like you're trying to capture a speeding bullet ya know? Infact, either borrow the hospitals AC outlet or bring your charger because you'll probably be there all night or longer! Personally, I would have killed any photographer that happened by at that moment . . . might want to think about some kind of exit strategy for your beloved DA incase the mom takes umbrage ;-) CindyD--CindyD
There are some situation that a photo is much better than a movie. In that case, a movie is the best.
In fact, some actions needs to be live captured. Birth is one of them. My (ex) wife gave birth to my three daughers and I used a camcorder. Every time I watch the movie it reminds me a lot of feelings that a photo just could not remind me. In some cases, a still camera not only freese the action but it also freeses emotions.
Tripore
In fact, some actions needs to be live captured. Birth is one of them. My (ex) wife gave birth to my three daughers and I used a camcorder. Every time I watch the movie it reminds me a lot of feelings that a photo just could not remind me. In some cases, a still camera not only freese the action but it also freeses emotions.
Tripore
cyberslave
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Ulysses,
I have two kids (7 years and 17 months). I was the coach and present in the delivery room in both cases. I own both a camcorder (purchased in 1994 for $1600(!)) and the 707. I use either depending on the situation.
I've said this before, but using a camcorder to tape events really prevents you from "being there". You have to view significant events in your children's lives through a tiny LCD screen! You really miss out on the precious moments. This is much less of a problem with a still camera. There are certain events (like kids concerts, first steps, talking, etc.) that demand a camcorder or video, of course.
The 707's MPEG is OK in a pinch, though the quality is quite low compared to a camcorder. I think the 707's MPEG format is best when emailing short videos to relatives even though you can also do this with the camcorder. The stills from a camcorder (the last time I checked, aboout 5 months ago) were limited to the 2MP range. I can't wait until someone comes out with a super high resolution camcorder that can do both adequately.
All in all, I use my 707 MUCH more frequently. It's just way more convenient and less trouble. No long editiing sessions, very high resolution, quick prints, ability to hang pictures all over your house, etc., etc., etc.
BTW, if you didn't already know, the birth process is usually VERY LONG!!! I have to admit I thought it was going to be like it is in the movies. You can stand there and wait for the head to come out for 15-30 minutes or more! I would think a camcorder for this particular event is more useful -- there is just so much going on at the moment of birth that stills cannot capture. It's an experience unlike anything I've ever witnessed and quite a miracle, really. How exciting for you to have been given this opportunity.
Good luck to you and the new parents,
cyberslave
I have two kids (7 years and 17 months). I was the coach and present in the delivery room in both cases. I own both a camcorder (purchased in 1994 for $1600(!)) and the 707. I use either depending on the situation.
I've said this before, but using a camcorder to tape events really prevents you from "being there". You have to view significant events in your children's lives through a tiny LCD screen! You really miss out on the precious moments. This is much less of a problem with a still camera. There are certain events (like kids concerts, first steps, talking, etc.) that demand a camcorder or video, of course.
The 707's MPEG is OK in a pinch, though the quality is quite low compared to a camcorder. I think the 707's MPEG format is best when emailing short videos to relatives even though you can also do this with the camcorder. The stills from a camcorder (the last time I checked, aboout 5 months ago) were limited to the 2MP range. I can't wait until someone comes out with a super high resolution camcorder that can do both adequately.
All in all, I use my 707 MUCH more frequently. It's just way more convenient and less trouble. No long editiing sessions, very high resolution, quick prints, ability to hang pictures all over your house, etc., etc., etc.
BTW, if you didn't already know, the birth process is usually VERY LONG!!! I have to admit I thought it was going to be like it is in the movies. You can stand there and wait for the head to come out for 15-30 minutes or more! I would think a camcorder for this particular event is more useful -- there is just so much going on at the moment of birth that stills cannot capture. It's an experience unlike anything I've ever witnessed and quite a miracle, really. How exciting for you to have been given this opportunity.
Good luck to you and the new parents,
cyberslave
Shay Stephens
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Shoot the emotion and drama of the event and it's participants. The friends in the waiting room, the smiles of relief and joy, the agony, the waiting. This is what will want to be remembered. Remember you are not shooting a documentary of the mechanics of child birth, you are capturing the emotion and drama of childbirth. That will help you to decide what to frame in the camera lens.
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Andrew Coupe
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Not in my experience. Is the father The Flash? Then you might have a problem ;-)
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Andrew Coupe
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I think you make a good point here. This is the single biggest reason I don't have a video camera - I want to experience it, not miss it because I'm taping it.
Of course, I don't hava a video camera, so this is a pretty uninformed opinion.
Of course, I don't hava a video camera, so this is a pretty uninformed opinion.
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Tom L.
Forum Enthusiast
Yeah, that's the rub, isn't it? I haven't ever really used a vid cam and never seen any decent tapes. So maybe I am missing out... all I know is that sometimes when I fuss with my camera too much I feel I did miss out a little on whatever it was I was shooting.
Oh well, we pays our money and we makes our choice...
Tom L.
Oh well, we pays our money and we makes our choice...
Tom L.
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antoine52756
Senior Member
Hi Uly,
I have both! (Mini DV PC1 and F707) You just can not miss one or another!
1) Video Camera
Pro: Video camera records the life action that will become so precious a few year later, especially when the technology of the Digital editting becomes cheaper (software and hardware package, DVD RW...). You can edit the baby's life story with music and store it in the DVD. The idea is you can watch it any where anytime just like the movie...And that is what I've been doing in the last six years since my first born. But I'm still waiting for the DVD RW to come down...No problem, no rush, they are still growing every day and the hardware pricing is getting lower.
Con: You never can do a real professional Hollywood style movie. The home video is just a tool to record the familly's memories and you are always the amateur!
2) Digital still camera
Pro: With a great camera like F707 or even S85, S75, G2...You can record a high quality memory image of your family, your baby...But at the same time you can take pictures like a professional which all of us have been doing that you can never do with your camcoder.
Con: No life action! forget the movie feature of the Digital still camera if you want something that is watchable! (I never use it!)
Hopefully it helps!
Antoine
I have both! (Mini DV PC1 and F707) You just can not miss one or another!
1) Video Camera
Pro: Video camera records the life action that will become so precious a few year later, especially when the technology of the Digital editting becomes cheaper (software and hardware package, DVD RW...). You can edit the baby's life story with music and store it in the DVD. The idea is you can watch it any where anytime just like the movie...And that is what I've been doing in the last six years since my first born. But I'm still waiting for the DVD RW to come down...No problem, no rush, they are still growing every day and the hardware pricing is getting lower.
Con: You never can do a real professional Hollywood style movie. The home video is just a tool to record the familly's memories and you are always the amateur!
2) Digital still camera
Pro: With a great camera like F707 or even S85, S75, G2...You can record a high quality memory image of your family, your baby...But at the same time you can take pictures like a professional which all of us have been doing that you can never do with your camcoder.
Con: No life action! forget the movie feature of the Digital still camera if you want something that is watchable! (I never use it!)
Hopefully it helps!
Antoine
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I would recommend a camcorder with as good a still option as you can afford AND a regular film camera.
You are going to want video of your baby, and your baby will enjoy video clips when he or she is older. Baby's first steps, the googly sounds of a baby; tearing into birthday presents, all exciting things you would want to capture on video. Use the still portion of the video camera to capture emailable photos to send to far-off friends and family.
Use a real film camera for stills to share with nearby friends and family. Nothing beats passing a stack of photos around at work or when family comes over.
Anyway, that's how I'd play it.
Bryce
You are going to want video of your baby, and your baby will enjoy video clips when he or she is older. Baby's first steps, the googly sounds of a baby; tearing into birthday presents, all exciting things you would want to capture on video. Use the still portion of the video camera to capture emailable photos to send to far-off friends and family.
Use a real film camera for stills to share with nearby friends and family. Nothing beats passing a stack of photos around at work or when family comes over.
Anyway, that's how I'd play it.
Bryce
David (r00t)
Senior Member
Get a camcorder. My father-in-law just passed away last July and we have about 45 minutes of camcorder video of him feeding and playing with his grandson(3 year old). We only have about 10 minutes of him with his granddaughter(1.5 year old). Even though we have a lot of photos, it is nice to hear his voice while with the kids.
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Good luck....--DavidMy galleries http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292111925http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292056545 'What we have here is a failure to communicate' - Cool Hand Luke
Gary M73072
Forum Enthusiast
For starters, I would get both in one unit like the Sony TRV-17 or better TRV-30.
Either of these DIGITAL camcorders lets you take video AND\OR Still shots. And they can take stills from the video after the fact.
They can store lots of stills on the tape or fewer on the Memory stick.
The 17 only takes a .8 Meg still but has a 10x optical zoom lens. So you can get a close up picture on a lot of your pixels. You really can get some nice pictures ( And I say that despite my own raging lust for more pixels.) The 30 makes 1.5 Meg Pixel stills and also has the 10x optical zoom.
The cost here is about $1000 for the 17 and $1700 for the 30 in chain stores. Not the cheapest solution, but extremely versitile and no having to buy two sets of accessories.
Gmootz
Either of these DIGITAL camcorders lets you take video AND\OR Still shots. And they can take stills from the video after the fact.
They can store lots of stills on the tape or fewer on the Memory stick.
The 17 only takes a .8 Meg still but has a 10x optical zoom lens. So you can get a close up picture on a lot of your pixels. You really can get some nice pictures ( And I say that despite my own raging lust for more pixels.) The 30 makes 1.5 Meg Pixel stills and also has the 10x optical zoom.
The cost here is about $1000 for the 17 and $1700 for the 30 in chain stores. Not the cheapest solution, but extremely versitile and no having to buy two sets of accessories.
Gmootz
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