I held F40!

tjdean01 · Feb 24, 2007

I was thinner than the f31fd which was sitting right next to it, but it wasn't much of a big deal. The contours of the camera and the curves around the screen don't do much for me. It still seems the same size as the F31, except that the F31 is "boxy" the F40 weaves in and out. I don't like it. The hand dial on the back where you hold your thumb is indented for grip, but I really don't like that idea either. The F31 was only $300. I want to get that but I'm waiting to see what Fuji will come out with next!

ericN2 · Feb 24, 2007

tjdean01 said:
I was thinner than the f31fd which was sitting right next to it,
but it wasn't much of a big deal. The contours of the camera and
the curves around the screen don't do much for me. It still seems
the same size as the F31, except that the F31 is "boxy" the F40
weaves in and out. I don't like it. The hand dial on the back
where you hold your thumb is indented for grip, but I really don't
like that idea either. The F31 was only $300. I want to get that
but I'm waiting to see what Fuji will come out with next!

As a satisfied F20 owner I really have no thought in mind to rush out and buy the F40 whenever it is available here , so as of now I've only seen pics of it and read a bit about it.

I'm not THAT enthused about the slight but significant design change, as I've always liked the feel of the F20, and I'm particularly not that happy about putting the cord tether point at top corner. A minor but realistic thought , as that does affect the 'hang' of the camera if neck-slung .. as I use mine.

But what does bother me is that change of putting the Dial on the back panel .. JUST where, with a small size cam, you invariably put your thumb in holding. I bet that will cause a few unrequired Dial changes !! .. and it does seem possible. Where else is there to put your thumb ?? I don't have big hands but the F20 (and the F40 must be like it) , still feels small to hold and there is a sub-concious feel of how to hold best.

We shall see , when it IS on the shelves, but I just don't see anything in it for me at least to rush out for. Of all the things that Fuji COULD have done on these 'updates' I do wish they'd have gone back to F10/F11 days of putting a good hard cover on the LCD - the best improvement of all I think.

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ericN-UK

tjdean01 · Feb 24, 2007

After holding it and remembering that there's a new CCD and more manual options on the F30 and F31, I don't think that the F40 would be good for me. It's not that much smaller, and it's harder to hold. Plus, I don't WANT 8 MP. I don't want to have to use up all the memory. 6 MP is fine.

What made you get the F20 or the F31 or F31?

I'm still deciding if I want the F30 with the best ever low-light pics, or the F31 with not as good in-camera processing, but an adjustment in metering and a few other changes

ericN2 · Feb 24, 2007

tjdean01 said:
After holding it and remembering that there's a new CCD and more
manual options on the F30 and F31, I don't think that the F40 would
be good for me. It's not that much smaller, and it's harder to
hold. Plus, I don't WANT 8 MP. I don't want to have to use up all
the memory. 6 MP is fine.

What made you get the F20 or the F31 or F31?

I'm still deciding if I want the F30 with the best ever low-light
pics, or the F31 with not as good in-camera processing, but an
adjustment in metering and a few other changes

I bought the F20 for the very simple reason that at the time I was just unable to locate the F30 locally to actually handle and try. The F30 of course was at that time "the one" and when I did at last find at least the F20 in a local shop, I grabbed it .. and was also urged to do that by the fact that I got it on as 28-day trial. In fact, after just day-1, I reallly knew that I'd done the right thing FOR ME. After a lifetime use of top-rate cams both in 35mm and medium format, I just knew that a GOOD quality cam would readily allow you to use it in straight Program mode and rarely let you down. I set the F20 this way and have found no need to change in the 4 months or so I've had it. I just have total confidence in the camera. It feels right TO ME, it does what I want very easily and without the need to make and think of settings - I just can't think of hardly any that the camera has given me and are worse than I'd manually choose - and if I had to do that I'd never have got very many literal 'snap' shots. It's a COMPACT,. and as such , should not have to be used like a dSLR - if I want that I'll use my 20D !! I'm very happy with it and frankly, for the TYPE of cam it is I just see no point in spending more money for one or two features I don't care about , or a few more pixels that probably will hardly show anyway. I have a 9Meg E900 and THAT doesn't really show a major uplift for it - so why should the 8Meg or so on these recent ones ??

It just comes down to the fact that as a COMPACT, I doubt if Fuji have given so much more on these later , than originally on the earlier. It's the superb 6th Gen sensor we should be happy with , and any minor change on this range I just do not think worth spending extra on.

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ericN-UK

Barry Fitzgerald · Feb 24, 2007

Is going to not be as good for high ISO!

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billu · Feb 24, 2007

I have had F30 only for couple of days and all I can say is it is simply great.

I am sure you have read the reviews, like they all say on auto mode it's just good, but with really easy to use manual controls you can get great results.

PC Wheeler · Feb 24, 2007

Barry Fitzgerald said:
Is going to not be as good for high ISO!

You are speculating. In fact the pixel density is only 16% higher, really no big deal .. and they've likely made CCD and processing improvemements since the 6 Mp SuperCCD was designed.

Your exclamation point should be a question mark until you have some real images to compare. The result may not end up "Going your way".

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Phil .. Canon SD700IS, S3 IS, EOS 300D & 20D; Fuji F20
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PC Wheeler · Feb 24, 2007

tjdean01 said:
I was thinner than the f31fd

You must be really thin! Seriously -- where did you lay hands on one?

tjdean01 said:
The contours of the camera and
the curves around the screen don't do much for me. It still seems
the same size as the F31, except that the F31 is "boxy" the F40
weaves in and out. I don't like it. The hand dial on the back
where you hold your thumb is indented for grip, but I really don't
like that idea either. The F31 was only $300. I want to get that
but I'm waiting to see what Fuji will come out with next!

I have an F20 and like the idea of a dial vs. no dial. Use of SD (or xD) cards is also a plus, as it the zoom lever being moved from a rocker switch on the back to a lever near the shutter button.

Likely I will get one .. but I'll await the test data.

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Phil .. Canon SD700IS, S3 IS, EOS 300D & 20D; Fuji F20
http://www.pbase.com/phil_wheeler
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil_ox/

ANAYV · Feb 24, 2007

ericN2 said:
.... Of all the things
that Fuji COULD have done on these 'updates' I do wish they'd have
gone back to F10/F11 days of putting a good hard cover on the LCD -
the best improvement of all I think.

As an alterntive,you could try one of the sceen protectors .

This(IMHO) is simply the best Screen Protector of it's type.

ClearGuard XP

Scratch resistent,Washable,reusable,no bubbles,when applying...and,it's anti-glare

here's their website
http://www.newtoneelectronics.com

found on Ebay,for under $10

ANAYV

Barry Fitzgerald · Feb 24, 2007

PC Wheeler said:
Barry Fitzgerald said:

Is going to not be as good for high ISO!

Click to expand...

You are speculating. In fact the pixel density is only 16% higher,
really no big deal .. and they've likely made CCD and processing
improvemements since the 6 Mp SuperCCD was designed.

Your exclamation point should be a question mark until you have
some real images to compare. The result may not end up "Going your
way".

I bet you I am right...and I know i will be! Why? Well just peer over at the S9500/9600 despite a larger sensor...high ISO inst great.

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ANAYV · Feb 24, 2007

Barry Fitzgerald said:
I bet you I am right...and I know i will be! Why? Well just peer
over at the S9500/9600 despite a larger sensor...high ISO inst
great.

I'm with Barry,on this one.

Though at times,technology surprises us (like when Sony made a 7.1MP sensor,on a CCD on a 1.1/8",a year after their 5MP CCD of the same size.

Photosites got smaller..........and NOISE WAS lower !!

Plus dynamic range didn't suffer at all.Some say it had more DR,than the Previous 5MP CCD.

But.....Fuji is already hinting at lower IQ,at higher ISO,by lowering the highest ISO setting.

No more ISO3200.

Me thinks,noise is too much,at that setting,even with in camera processing.

I wish they would make a superzoom,with the 6.3MP SCCD inside it.

I'm impressed with the F30's IQ

more than I thought I'd be!

My FZ7 is now permanently glued on ISO 80
:> )

ANAYV

ericN2 · Feb 24, 2007

ANAYV said:
ericN2 said:

.... Of all the things
that Fuji COULD have done on these 'updates' I do wish they'd have
gone back to F10/F11 days of putting a good hard cover on the LCD -
the best improvement of all I think.

Click to expand...

As an alterntive,you could try one of the sceen protectors .

This(IMHO) is simply the best Screen Protector of it's type.

ClearGuard XP

Scratch resistent,Washable,reusable,no bubbles,when
applying...and,it's anti-glare

here's their website
http://www.newtoneelectronics.com

found on Ebay,for under $10

ANAYV

Sorry , but that link just doesn't give any lead directly to ClearGuard - it seems just a general overall site ..anyway - it's just not a UK firm nor seems known or available in UK. Delkin is the only one.

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ericN-UK

jinhamasaki · Feb 24, 2007

I was looking forward to the F40 since it finally has a SD slot...but the quality really isn't there compared to the F31fd.

This site has a comparison between the new F40 and the F31fd

http://mpm.kitamura.co.jp/mssm/blogs/829/4440/2007/02/FinePixF40fdvsF30fd_161441.html

boyo · Feb 24, 2007

So far I've found Screen Patronus to be the best long lasting display protection on the market. I use them on Blackberry, Razr, 10D, 5D, SD550...very quick response and sized to fit.

http://www.screenpatronus.com

ericN2 · Feb 24, 2007

boyo said:
So far I've found Screen Patronus to be the best long lasting
display protection on the market. I use them on Blackberry, Razr,
10D, 5D, SD550...very quick response and sized to fit.

http://www.screenpatronus.com

.

Thanks for the thought , but alas again - not in UK . Never heard of them here and no trace in any search. A secondary thought though... as they seem to be a thin although hard , screen cover , they would not I'm sure be ANY protection against a knock, as such would effectively be right on the LCD itself although covered - it is only by a THIN cover. The Delkin do at least have a small gap between the Optical Glass and the LCD surface...

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ericN-UK

ANAYV · Feb 24, 2007

ericN2 said:
Sorry , but that link just doesn't give any lead directly to
ClearGuard - it seems just a general overall site ..anyway - it's
just not a UK firm nor seems known or available in UK. Delkin is
the only one.

sorry....that's the website given right on the package,that the Screen protector comes in...Ebay also sells them....but not sure of availability,shipping to UK.

Still,a solid piece of Glass would be the best,as it also help protects from impact.

a friend who works for Canon customer support, told me that this years camera models have many ,many customers calling in ,complaining about broken LCD's.Mainly the smaller point and shoot models...

ANAYV

ANAYV

tjdean01 · Feb 25, 2007

PC Wheeler said:
Barry Fitzgerald said:

Is going to not be as good for high ISO!

Click to expand...

You are speculating. In fact the pixel density is only 16% higher,
really no big deal .. and they've likely made CCD and processing
improvemements since the 6 Mp SuperCCD was designed.

I hope Barry IS correct. Why? Because I don't want to have to think any harder about what camera to buy, it's hard enough thinking about the F30 vs F31fd!

tjdean01 · Feb 25, 2007

PC Wheeler said:
You must be really thin! Seriously -- where did you lay hands on one?

Haha. At the store. I live in Japan.

PC Wheeler said:
I have an F20 and like the idea of a dial vs. no dial. Use of SD
(or xD) cards is also a plus, as it the zoom lever being moved from
a rocker switch on the back to a lever near the shutter button.

Truthfully, I wish the F31 was that thin, used sd, and had the good zoom lever. But, I'd rather have the 6 MP CCD as I'm guessing it will be sharper. Plus I don't want the 8 MP option!

Vince2006 · Feb 25, 2007

jinhamasaki said:
I was looking forward to the F40 since it finally has a SD
slot...but the quality really isn't there compared to the F31fd.

This site has a comparison between the new F40 and the F31fd

http://mpm.kitamura.co.jp/mssm/blogs/829/4440/2007/02/FinePixF40fdvsF30fd_161441.html

Well, I checked these pictures, and at 800 and 1600, the F40 seems much better.
don't you think so?

jinhamasaki · Feb 25, 2007

No, the left side is the F40, and although it has less PF, it has poor noise reduction which results in less details compared to the F31.

I held F40!

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