5D - Dust, AF & Weather Seal Question (long)

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Thanks in advance for your input and opinons ... and yes, I've searched and researched and read ad nauseum, so if anyone is compelled to post "These questions have already been answered", save the wear and tear on your fingers and understand this question is being posed in the present, with new model releases and costs being what they are as of 2/23/07.

I'm a Digital Rebel XT owner who came into a couple thousand bucks unexpectadly (yay, casino dice) and is thinking about upgrading. I'm a rather rank amateur, but enthusiastic, and I really would like a camera that's more amenable to landscape photography. When I started looking at new lenses, I found myself reluctant to shell out $1000 on an EF-S mount lens, because I've always wanted to upgrade to full frame. Of course, I came into the $$$ the day the canon double rebate deal ended, else I probably would have already ordered a 5D and a new EF L lens.

That being said, after reading tons of posts the last few days, and reading ad nauseum the speculation on the 1D Mark III and the new "improvements", I'm wondering if I should still make a move to the 5D now, rather than waiting for a few months or maybe a year to see whether they upgrade.

I want to use the camera primarily for travel photos with the family. We've got some trips planned (to Traverse City, Michigan and Disney World), and I'd like to use the camera in both environments. Here's my concerns :

1. Since the new model Canon's all have dust reduction features, how big of a problem is dust for "limited use" users like me ? I haven't noticed a problem yet after using my Rebel XT for a year, but then again, I haven't taken it on any extended trips yet. Is this a feature worth waiting for , or just one of those complaints that affects a limited number of users, who happen to be rather vocal about it.

2. How's the 5D autofocus ? The improved 1D Mk III system, as described, sounds great ... but I've gotten good results with my Rebel, which has a similar autofocus system to the 5D from what I understand.

3. Does the lack of weather sealing really matter for a casual user ? I'm worried somewhat about taking the 5D to Florida in June, where the thunderstorms are a daily occurance ... but I'm capable of being careful with my gear. What problems occur in misty conditions, or if you use it briefly in rainy weather (taking appropriate precautions with an umbrella or poncho) ?

An ancillary concern of mine is low light performance. While I prefer shooting outdoors, on the trip to Disney, I'd like to be able to get some good interior shots of the family at restaurants, indoors in rides, etc.

This is probably going to be my biggest camera purchase for quite some time, so I'm more concerned with being happy with my purchase than anything else (ie, I'll wait if waiting is "right") ... but at the same time, if another rebate promotion is launched and the 5D is going to be right for me, I'd rather be snapping then waiting. At least these things tend to retain their resale value !

jcv
 
It sounds like you're the perfect candidate for some more lenses, but that buying a new camera isn't really that urgent. What lenses do you have? Maybe, you could try the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8...not too expensive and very good.
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Nimnar
 
1. Since the new model Canon's all have dust reduction features,
how big of a problem is dust for "limited use" users like me ? I
haven't noticed a problem yet after using my Rebel XT for a year,
Dust is less of a problem then people make it out to be. If you shoot macro it hits you more than anyone else obviously. Even at F8 you barely see most dust

I have never cleaned my cameras with any wet method. Only use a bulb blower and dont have any serious issue with dust. Sometimes you see some but it generally blows away

Dust cleaners are a welcome feature but i wouldnt put it into the have to have category
2. How's the 5D autofocus ? The improved 1D Mk III system, as
described, sounds great ... but I've gotten good results with my
Rebel, which has a similar autofocus system to the 5D from what I
understand.
Well it isnt anywhere close to the current 1 series and obviously the new one in the MkII is even better. This doesnt mean the 5DAF is bad though. If you shoot action you are better served with the AF of the 1 series
3. Does the lack of weather sealing really matter for a casual
user ? I'm worried somewhat about taking the 5D to Florida in
June, where the thunderstorms are a daily occurance ... but I'm
First of all it isnt that bad in florida. Mostly we have really good weather here hence the 'Sunshine State'.
capable of being careful with my gear. What problems occur in
misty conditions, or if you use it briefly in rainy weather (taking
appropriate precautions with an umbrella or poncho) ?
In geenral if you are careful weatherseals arent that important. If you have to shoot in adverse weather and constantly work in bad weather weather seals are very important.
An ancillary concern of mine is low light performance. While I
prefer shooting outdoors, on the trip to Disney, I'd like to be
able to get some good interior shots of the family at restaurants,
indoors in rides, etc.
The 5D has very good low light performance and the 1DIII probably even better.

Well one thing you also need to look at is size and weight. Not everyone likes big and heavy camera such as the 1D series.

Cost of course is another issue as is availability

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Michael Salzlechner
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I currently have:

Canon f/4 70-200 L
Canon f/1.8 50 mm
Canon 18-55 kit lens (never used)
Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 XR Di LD Aspherical
Speedlight 580EX

It was lenses that got me started thinking about the body upgrade as well. I want some wider angle lenses for outdoor photography, but since I have a crop body camera, I would have to buy an EF-S lens to get satisfactory performance in the 18 - 24 mm range. Since I anticipate going full frame in the future, I don't want to spend the $$$ on an EF-S lens that I won't be able to use in the future. Since I came into a little extra money, I figure it's probably the time to pick up a new lens and body.
 
Thanks Michael. Very helpful.

As for the Florida weather, we've done a couple family trips to Disney a few years back ... I know the weather is great there, but Orlando in late June / early July ? Maybe we had bad luck, but both trips (10 days each), you could set your clock by the thunderstorms every afternoon. They usually only last for a brief time, but all that humidity has to go somewhere !
 
1. Since the new model Canon's all have dust reduction features,
how big of a problem is dust for "limited use" users like me ? I
haven't noticed a problem yet after using my Rebel XT for a year,
but then again, I haven't taken it on any extended trips yet. Is
this a feature worth waiting for , or just one of those complaints
that affects a limited number of users, who happen to be rather
vocal about it.
My 5D is well used every day in a pro environment and dust has not been a problem.
2. How's the 5D autofocus ? The improved 1D Mk III system, as
described, sounds great ... but I've gotten good results with my
Rebel, which has a similar autofocus system to the 5D from what I
understand.
I have a 5D and iDmk2 and I feel the focus of the 5D is better. Either way they are quite close.
3. Does the lack of weather sealing really matter for a casual
user ? I'm worried somewhat about taking the 5D to Florida in
June, where the thunderstorms are a daily occurance ... but I'm
capable of being careful with my gear. What problems occur in
misty conditions, or if you use it briefly in rainy weather (taking
appropriate precautions with an umbrella or poncho) ?
Weather sealing is (IMO) the biggest marketing hype perpetrated on the camera taking public. Before Canon made an issue of it in marketing the EOS 1 photographers had been taking their equipment out in inclement weather for a century. Did you watch the Superbowl? plastic bags on all the 1D's.
An ancillary concern of mine is low light performance. While I
prefer shooting outdoors, on the trip to Disney, I'd like to be
able to get some good interior shots of the family at restaurants,
indoors in rides, etc.
Excellent performance.
 
You might like to try the 17-40mm f/4. I love my copy.

Otherwise, it sounds like the 5D is a natural upgrade, even if (and I stress this) it's probably unnecessary from what you describe. I am in a similar situation to you...you can see my gear and I'm waiting to see what happens. My price point for FF, with spot metering, and dust reduction system, is $1500. I don't know how long that will take maybe a year or two.

The other thing you can consider is a 5D on eBay. Lots of people bought the 5D when Dell was offering it at $2300 a while back and then they got double rebates, and they don't really want the camera. Some of these bodies are showing up on eBay now and if you could get one for around $2000, that would be sensible. $2700 w/o rebates makes no sense to me.
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Nimnar
 
as one of the lenses to get. I'd like something for an "every day lens", though, and 40 at the top end might be a little short. Ideally, I'd like something that covers 18-55 f/2.8 IS with L glass (might as well through in "for under $300" since it's my personal fantasy).

As for buying, there's no way I would shell out $2750 plus a lens, but if I had been looking a week earlier, I could have gotten for $2100 after rebate. That probably would have been an instant purchase.
 
Thanks Monkey. Very encouraging, especially since you use both bodies professionally.

I didn't even think about the Superbowl ... funny. I do recall the bags. I guess my candid snaps walking around Disney World will expose the unit to a heck of a lot less "weather" than that torrential downpour.

Now I'll just have to identify the perfect weatherproof shoulder bag.
 
I'm a casual shooter, but a very interest amateur. I like learning new gear, and practicing creative shots.

I agree I don't "need' a 5D. Heck, since I don't sell my work and rarely print it over 9 x 12, I'm more than fine with a Rebel. But there's this little part of my brain that forces me to hunt down and acquire "the best" when it comes to gadgets and gear ... and that part of my brain seems to work overtime when it comes to photo and video gear.
 
I'm a casual shooter, but a very interest amateur. I like learning
new gear, and practicing creative shots.

I agree I don't "need' a 5D. Heck, since I don't sell my work and
rarely print it over 9 x 12, I'm more than fine with a Rebel. But
there's this little part of my brain that forces me to hunt down
and acquire "the best" when it comes to gadgets and gear ... and
that part of my brain seems to work overtime when it comes to photo
and video gear.
I think most of us would be better off spending time using the gear we have vs upgrading everytime something new came out. The worst thing is when you upgrade your quality drops off until you get used to the new camera, how to PP the images, etc.

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jerryk.smugmug.com
 
Most bags are water repellent enough for family outings. If it starts raining your family is not going to want to pose for you in the rain anyway.

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jerryk.smugmug.com
 
Certainly true. When I first started shooting decades ago, a photo instructor told me that the best tool in any photographers bag is his brain. Knowing the when, where, and how to get a good exposure. Still true after all these years.

That being said, there are certianly new tools that come out that help the process along. Improved lenses, new technology, etc.
 

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