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...I will be purchasing a new body/2 lenses/possibly a flash within the next two months after prices settle a bit from PMA.

I'm 'almost' considering going nikon after what I have been reading. I was going to go 30d, 17-55 ef-s, 10-22 ef-s... (a huge upgrade from .... --->

I have 300d and solid consumer lenses 28-105 USM/50MkII/100-300USM plus a 430ex flash.

would be a fool to think about an upgrade with a different system at this point?

-the biggest problem would be that my back-up wouldn't support my new lenses/flash in the event something break down at a wedding... that would be bad.....

but is the 30d that big of a mistake??????????? I've seen plenty of negatvies lately... and I absolutely hate the tinkery toy like 400d even if it does perform well.

thanks in advance.
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What have you been reading that makes you want to switch, and what are the negatives about the 30D? I made the same switch you did, and it's a world of difference to go 300D --> 30D.

So why switch? What's the compelling factor???

I also think it's interesting...Canon just announces the most advanced Digital SLR every made and people are complaining and thinking about jumping ship.
 
Seriously, what problems do you have with the 30D? Is it that it has less megapixels than some of the other cameras in it's class? The difference between 8MPs and 10MPs is practically nonexistent. just look at the side by side image comparisons on this site between the 30D and the 200D, you'd be hard pressed to claim one is better than the other, until you look at the ISO 800 and up comparisons where the 30D is clearly the winner. I was also very interested in Nikon's wide/tele lens until I read a lot of reviews on it. If you're looking for a great walk around lens it will surely fit the bill, but if you intend to charge money for your images and tend to shoot in dim/available light situations, the super lens becomes too slow and soft. You know what they say, jack of all trades master of none.

Both Canon and Nikon make wonderful cameras that take wonderful images. Once you break the 8MP barrier, resolution shouldn't be much of a factor unless you're interested in printing billboard prints. Bottom line, switching to Nikon from Canon or Canon from Nikon will not make your pictures look any better.
 
it seems like the negatives come up when talking about what your "actually getting for the price your paying" I am no camera spec junkie but the negative post surrounding the 30d seem to be that...

-the difference in IQ vs. the 20d/400d are non existent.

-the 400d actually produces better results (according to forums/some examples on the review)
-dust issues
-megapixels
-ef-s compatability if I do go with a different sensor size down the road.

that is just some... I was really excited and thought I had my mind made up about a month ago...

First I thought 5d.... (realized the costs just might not be worth it at this point... maybe a few years down the road whatever I get now will be the back-up to a 5d, 3d 5dmkII whatever...)
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thanks... I'm hoping to hear more 'current' happy 30d users. Getting a 400d is out of the question, I just can't handle the cheap feel compared to the 30d.

I've heard complaints that besides the lcd view being larger than the 20d, and a couple minor upgrades there is not a true make or breaker in buying the 30d over the 20d or the 400d.

Maybe this is just the time of the year everyone complains about everything, I don't want to be one of those people. Some of the forums today have been much less sophisticated and respectful than the middle schoolers I teach on a daily basis.

Thanks!

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I'm a happy 30D owner.

After using my 350D for a little over 12 months, I took the plunge and upgraded to the 30D and I haven't looked back since.

I tried both the 400D and 30D out, but overall I preferred the 30D.

Somehow it just feels right and the AF system is excellent. Together with my trusty 70-200 F/4 L zoom it makes a "killer" combination.
 
I began learning photography with the 300D (1Year), then upgraded to the 350D (1 Year), and now I’m a new 30D owner (since november 2006) and more than happy!

It’s a wonderful “State of the art” camera.

The 30D is the top evolution of the very successful XXD serie. It is a joy to use and probably have the best IQ of all prosumer cameras on the market today. I borrowed a D200 from a friend, wonderful camera but sorry, the IQ at high ISO is way better on the 30D.

If you are interested in photography (and not a gadget lover ;-)), the 30D has all the essential features and some nice pluses :
  • 5fps
  • Spot metering (I use it very often)
  • Very reliable metering system
  • a great CMOS sensor which allow you to shoot without worries at 1600 ISO
And it has also the best Dynamic Range of all prosumers cameras (according to DPreview)

So don’t be biased by all the frustrated people that think that “the grass is always greener in the neighbour’s garden”

Go for the 30D, you will never regret it. I doubt the 40D will be sooo much better...

A happy 30D shooter

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I don't mean this to sound smug, so hopefully it won't come off that way. :)
urba0078dumnedu said:
-the difference in IQ vs. the 20d/400d are non existent.
-the 400d actually produces better results (according to
forums/some examples on the review)
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Those two statements just don't reconcile. I think your point that end-stage IQ on an image taken under the same circumstances will be the same is true though. I would also say the same with the D200 if you lumped it in.
urba0078dumnedu said:
-dust issues
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Dust is an issue with every DSLR out there. Yours has it on it right now, I guarantee it. Nikon's no different.
urba0078dumnedu said:
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What is your final print size? Do you find a need to crop heavily? Does the type of shooting you do make that extra 2 MP essential? For me, I'm not going to see a difference between 8 and 10 MP on an 8x10 print, it's just not a factor.
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-ef-s compatability if I do go with a different sensor size down
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Any ef-s lens you sell down the road will take
 
I upgraded from a 300D to a 30D. I'm very happy.

It sounds like most of your objections are actually comparing the 30D to the 400D... NOT Nikon. The 400D is newer, so it has a few toys on it, but nothing really fundamental. The dust system is interesting, if it works, but not critical. An extra 2 megapixels is pretty much irrelevant. It won't make the slightest difference unless you've got a REALLY sharp lens, and the ones you have (I have most of them as well) are okay, but won't show off the extra 2MP.

The 30D is an incremental upgrade over the 20D? Well sure, what should it be? If I was silly enough to upgrade from a 20D I might be a bit irritated (with myself). But it's a very nice upgrade from the 300D.

We're not talking about point and shoots here -- the feature list (particularly MP) shouldn't make your decision for you.

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I've kinda made up two plans here...

30d + efs 17-55 f2.8 + 580ex - hopefully $ will drop now... :)
...tempted to add the 10-22 to this list as well..

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5d + 17-40 L + 580ex

kinda adds up to the general same amount.

any experience using both the 17-40 and 17-55 efs?

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I am a Nikon shooter just came brousing to read about you guys new tool very impresive BTW.

If I were you and generally happy with the 300 I would stick it out for a while. Unless you really need the added reach of the 1.6 crop. I feel the D5 will either be replaced, updated, by year end or when the MKIII hits the shelfs you will mostlikly see further price breakes on the 5D.

Not sure about the lens compatibility issue with Canon but I tried to stay away from DX lenses so if I ever see an afordable 135 mm F mount camera I could get it as a second body. You guys are a lot closer to that then me.
Rich
 
What is very crippled:

no user selectable metering
no user selectable ai-servo or ai-focus
tiny shot buffer no matter if you are recording RAW or S-JPG.

Features that are outdated:

slow startup, noisey iso400 and quite noisey iso800+. iso3200 unusable.

The amount of freedom going from the Drebel/300D to the features of a 30D (5D in my case) are very, very liberating!
 
If you have absolutely ruled the 400D out on the basis on body, then you have a much more difficult decision. I sold my 300D for the 20D soon after it was released, and it was the best camera purchase/investment I ever made. The fact that the 20D still has not been topped, and might last as much as 3 years in that position, means I was lucky (beyond any logic) to buy when I did. The 30D isn't worse in any way (well, maybe the LCD, but this IS a DSLR after all, so I wouldn't sweat it), but it seems overpriced given the age of the tech at this point. Your 300D really needs a partner, no doubt, but I would consider biting the bullet and recommend dealing with the 400D for the next 6months or so until Canon finally gets around to updating the prosumer line. Value wise the 400D is ideal, even with a plan to sell it off when the 30D is replaced. I can't recommend the 5D at this point in time. The price is not inline with the market. I have had my money in hand since it was released, but it has always been $1000 more than I could justify for a 30D with a FF sensor. The 1Dmk3 is actually a lot more tempting (no weaknesses other than the lack of FF, and a much better value/$ than anything but the 400D IMHO), but if I went there I would wait at least some months to see if anything else is released. I don't envy your situation, but it seems to me in 2007 Canon land, there are only compromises (either in construction, or value) that you can choose from.
urba0078dumnedu said:
I've kinda made up two plans here...

30d + efs 17-55 f2.8 + 580ex - hopefully $ will drop now... :)
...tempted to add the 10-22 to this list as well..

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5d + 17-40 L + 580ex

kinda adds up to the general same amount.

any experience using both the 17-40 and 17-55 efs?
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My 17-40 needs to go back to Canon a second time, it needs f5.6 to look decent on the edges of the frame even on my crop cameras - I am sure it will be a tragedy on FF. The 17-55 is a much better optic on a crop camera, but it costs more, and it will not work on FF. Seize the day, or sacrifice satisfaction for a long-term plan? I went longterm (although there was no high-end EF-S when I bought the 17-40L), but expect so much hassle in the meantime.

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thanks,

thats great information, but soooooooooo frusterating to hear. I'm really having a hard time accepting the 400d and its build, and also the fact that it doesn't have spot metering (I've heard works well).

I obviously have a much more difficult decision than I was anticipating. I don't like to ever think of a purchase for the reason of "short term" "until the next best thing comes out".

what to do.... hmmm
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I would go with the 30D and be enjoying it (unless you want a FF camera). In fact, I just upgraded from the 300D to the 30D last week. If you're determined to wait on the 40D, if it ever exists, then I would stick with the 300D until it comes out. I don't see how to justify an XTI for 6 to 8 months, if that long. The 300D takes good pictures, though it is a little slow, but you have had it for this long, what's another few months?
urba0078dumnedu said:
thats great information, but soooooooooo frusterating to hear. I'm
really having a hard time accepting the 400d and its build, and
also the fact that it doesn't have spot metering (I've heard works
well).

I obviously have a much more difficult decision than I was
anticipating. I don't like to ever think of a purchase for the
reason of "short term" "until the next best thing comes out".

what to do.... hmmm
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urba0078dumnedu said:
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Steve
 
...commitment to 2 weddings. I can't walk in and do that with a 300d only.

I did last year and now realize how foolish I was... :'(

Though I may be able to get some results that are decent, what if it conks out on me!?!?

I will NEED a back-up within the next month or so. I'll need some time to really become familiar with a new lens/fash/body. Especially my lighting options if I go with the 430ex 580ex wireless combo capabilities.

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