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Nice pictures, Franco. The sharpness and detail in the second one is really great (especially the water droplet coming from its beak).

As for the colors and white balance, it is pretty obvious that this swan is not pure white and it looks like you shot these when the sun was fairly low (not at midday), which gives sort of a golden glow to the first and second shots as well. In fact, this is the type of light sought after by many professional photographers (early morning/late afternoon). Personally, I think you did a fine job. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opnion, but I find no basis to criticize the colors.

Good job and keep on posting shots like these!--Mary
 
Roberta said:
Daniella said:
I know there is something wrong with the color on both sawn
photos..but still some people say perfect colors?
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How can you know? Before you can assume something is wrong with the
color, you would have to ask the photographer what the lighting
conditions were when he took the photo. I have often seen coloring
like that at sundown.

I think the photos are very good- and whether or not the white
balance is off the fact of the matter is that the pictures are
sharp, beautifully detailed, and convey a very nice "mood." More
important, the photographer was obviously very proud of them (as
indeed he should be.)
You certainly could have asked if the coloring is what he actually
saw and if he said no, then you could have suggested that he start
experimenting with white balance.

I agree that if someone asks for comments it is helpful to make
suggestions but TACT is very important. I was an art teacher for
many, many years and I would never criticize students art work
without telling them what I "Liked" first and then suggesting how
they might want to (and they could choose not to) make their work
even better.

And...
as long as the photo is good (and these are) it is very simple to
correct the colors in an editing program like Photoshop.

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--Mary
 
Daniella,

It seems you have a problem with my use of the word "perfect." OK, if the truth be told, nothing is perfect. Maybe I should have said "I really, really, really, really, really like the colors......." Just keep in mind MY name is on my posting. I'm speaking for myself and not the photography gods. Anyway this is all taking the focus away from Franco pictures, which I thought were cool. I will forever strike the word "perfect" from my vocabulary after this sentence.

Lori
Daniella68313 said:
Roberta said:
Daniella said:
I know there is something wrong with the color on both sawn
photos..but still some people say perfect colors?
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Daniella68313 said:
How can you know?
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than answer me this...how would the person saying the colors are
perfect know as well?
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Daniella68313 said:
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Off base on this, she speaks to soon and without real thought, forget it.

It got to me too, Franco pics are great.

And the pictures are perfect to me too. Even the colors--DomDP-NJC-2100UZPbase Supporter http://www.pbase.com/domdp 'Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go' --T.S. Eliot--
 
You know you're right Dom........to heck with it! Your post made PERFECT sense (that felt good!!!!!).

Lori
DomDP said:
Off base on this, she speaks to soon and without real thought,
forget it.

It got to me too, Franco pics are great.
And the pictures are perfect to me too. Even the colors
--
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Pbase Supporter

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'Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far
one can go' --T.S. Eliot--
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Very nice photos Franco. I like the detail and color in these, very sharp. It almost feels like you're right there with them. Very nice job.
franco said:
the ducks and swans came out, here are some pics. comments would be
great.
--
franco
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Daniella said:
Hello,

The swan itself is nice but the colors are very muddy or brownish,
even for the water. Looks like the white balance was way off on
those swan photos.

What camera did you use? does it have white balance correction? if
it does then you could probably try the manual white balance to get
better quality images.

The third photo seam to be better for colors.
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You just won't give up, will you. I guess you didn't see (or ignored) the gull in the background of the second shot. It's WHITE. Obviously the camera recorded to the scene correctly and that Swan IS the color you see. Give it a rest, Daniella.
 
My name is not Danielle, but Daniella, dunno where you got the other name.

If you say so but yes, i cannot help but to say what i really think about a photo..that's why i will not comment on photos anymore, because i don,t wayt to say things i don,t think just to please someone.
DomDP said:
they are quite impressive pics. Danielle was jsut being Danielle,
she can't help it.
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'Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far
one can go' --T.S. Eliot--
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--Daniella http://www.pbase.com/zylenC7OO discussion group: http://www.homepet.com/cgi-bin/c700/UltraBoard.cgi
 
Daniella said:
Daniella68313 said:
Daniella68313 said:
I know there is something wrong with the color on both sawn
photos..but still some people say perfect colors?
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Roberta wrote:
How can you know?
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Daniella68313 said:
Daniella68313 said:
Daniella wrote:
than answer me this...how would the person saying the colors are
perfect know as well?

hey! i was just giving my opinion lady.
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Excuse me, but my name is not "lady" and I find this comment to be brash and out of line.

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Daniella68313 said:
Daniella68313 said:
I guess i will never comments on anyone photos ever again,
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I doubt that will be much of a loss to anyone.
Daniella68313 said:
because
people are too pissed off by honest opiinon and prefer to hear "ho
what perfect colors" even if not true. ..
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The people here are, by and large, the nicest people I have ever met on a forum. They are not pissed off by honest opinion, they are pissed off by unkindness and arrogance.
Daniella68313 said:
Daniella68313 said:
I agree that if someone asks for comments it is helpful to make
suggestions but TACT is very important. I was an art teacher for
many, many years and I would never criticize students art work
without telling them what I "Liked" first and then suggesting how
they might want to (and they could choose not to) make their work
even better.
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wow...that's not the way our teachers proceed here....maybe its a
California thing
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I doubt it's a "California thing." It may be your particular school or you have just managed to encounter that kind of teacher.
Daniella68313 said:
but they go right to the point and we are
greatfull for it.
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I have been taught by very prestigious artists whose works appear in some of the biggest art museums in America- including Jimmy Ernst, Burgoyne Diller, and others- all offered criticism and direction but always with compassion.

Parents who abuse children, and husbands who abuse wives, manage to convince them it is because they love them and those victims often end up grateful for the beatings. That hardly justifies anything. If you have learned to be grateful for unkindness I am sorry for you
Daniella68313 said:
well don't worry...i will not be commenting on your photos..i kown
what you want to ear.
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I am not worried at all. And I might add that you don't know me nor do you have any idea of what I want to hear.

Once again, an unwarranted brash and arrogant statement. For someone who has consistently defended herself by maintaining that she has been the victim of "personal attacks" in this forum, you certainly have been the one resort to that here.

I am truly sorry that a thread that began with someone showing his photos and asking for "comments"- not harsh criticism- ended up being yet another confrontational thread.
My apologies to all.
Daniella68313 said:
Daniella68313 said:
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your mind what we are saying to you, please read my response to you above, "I hope you read this", in case you missed it.

You need a lesson in life my dear, no teacher is give you all the answers like you think and say they do. My teacher this and my teacher that. Geessssseee.

Get out in the real world and then come see us. You can not admit even that you might be wrong can you.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, what's the use. --DomDP-NJC-2100UZPbase Supporter http://www.pbase.com/domdp 'Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go' --T.S. Eliot--
 
oh god, if i new my pics will be a cause of this, i wouldn't have posted them in the first place. all comments are welcome. i am not offended by Daniella's comments, if this is her opinion, well that's her opinion, i can live with that, this is what makes humans different, the way they see things. Daniella sees something wrong with the colours, and most of you don't. but i would have felt better if her opinion was said in a nicer way. anyway, i have learned alot from you guys, this is a very nice forum, so let's keep it this way..
--franco
 
franco said:
oh god, if i new my pics will be a cause of this, i wouldn't have
posted them in the first place. all comments are welcome. i am not
offended by Daniella's comments, if this is her opinion, well
that's her opinion, i can live with that, this is what makes humans
different, the way they see things. Daniella sees something wrong
with the colours, and most of you don't. but i would have felt
better if her opinion was said in a nicer way. anyway, i have
learned alot from you guys, this is a very nice forum, so let's
keep it this way..

--
franco
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It's okay Franco. A forum is made up of many, many people of varying ages, nationalities, and of course, personalities. A dispute is bound to occur now and then. Neither you nor your pics caused this "disagreement."

By and large it's a terrific group of people here and everyone always bounces back after these mini-brouhahas.

I'm looking forward to seeing more of your photographs. Keep up the good work.--Olympus 3O4O and Olympus 21OOUZ http://www.pbase.com/ro2001
 
DomDP said:
your mind what we are saying to you, please read my response to you
above, "I hope you read this", in case you missed it.

You need a lesson in life my dear, no teacher is give you all the
answers like you think and say they do. My teacher this and my
teacher that. Geessssseee.

Get out in the real world and then come see us. You can not admit
even that you might be wrong can you.
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well sorry but i did not thought my comment on his photo was so rude. I did say the swan was nice...i only did not liked the colors and thought the white balance was off.

Like i did not thought that calling a woman "lady" was bad??? since when this is rude? is the proper term "madame"?
DomDP said:
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, what's the use.
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I understand your point don't worry.
DomDP said:
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one can go' --T.S. Eliot--
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--Daniella http://www.pbase.com/zylenC7OO discussion group: http://www.homepet.com/cgi-bin/c700/UltraBoard.cgi
 
say you understand, I respect you for saying it.

But Roberta was very valid in her points she made, and I don't know how or why I got started here, (well I do but), however it bothered me to see you missed the big picture here. Opinions are one thing, compassion another, Please consider the how you say something, the tone, the fact this might be this person's first attempt at this.

Daniella, if you would at least admit that the colors might be OK, and you just might have been a little misgiuded when you blew franco's pictures out of the water then I would have alot more respect for your opinions, and you as a person.

Don't always go to the text book for a reason, look to some real life examples to help guide the way.

OK, I to as Roberta has done, apoligize if we took up valuable posting room, but these disscussions are sometimes necessary to keep this a good place for all. It just happened to be me this time, and I had to speak out.

It bothered me that much.--DomDP-NJC-2100UZPbase Supporter http://www.pbase.com/domdp 'Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go' --T.S. Eliot--
 
Hello Franco,

Sorry for all this, i did not realize my comments on your photo were so rude. I just did not thought the colors were right but the photo itself is nice.

I was also comparing the swan photos to your other photo of the seagull where the colors are very natural looking.

again, my apology for this.
franco said:
oh god, if i new my pics will be a cause of this, i wouldn't have
posted them in the first place. all comments are welcome. i am not
offended by Daniella's comments, if this is her opinion, well
that's her opinion, i can live with that, this is what makes humans
different, the way they see things. Daniella sees something wrong
with the colours, and most of you don't. but i would have felt
better if her opinion was said in a nicer way. anyway, i have
learned alot from you guys, this is a very nice forum, so let's
keep it this way..

--
franco
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--Daniella http://www.pbase.com/zylenC7OO discussion group: http://www.homepet.com/cgi-bin/c700/UltraBoard.cgi
 
franco said:
the ducks and swans came out, here are some pics. comments would be
great.
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Franco, they are good pics and well executed. You took the shots, thats the most important thing. Under the lighting conditions I doubt you could have done any better, except perhaps a little fill in flash. Must admit though that if you had done that in front of me, you might have received a sharp lecture about flash, the effect on birds eye's at that range and the possibility of suprise which could have made them try to get away anyway.
Get my point, you did OK.
Muddy pictures?, pahh. Nobody ever seen a Signet before?????

Those birds were less than a year old. We have hundreds of swans living in the Selby area,(UK), I must have some shot's somewhere, I'll see if I can dig some out.
Maybe Daniella needs a bird book.

Genuine wildlife photography rarely gives first class lighting conditions and if you use the rule 'Get the shot first!' you wont go far wrong.

Wait till you try to 'shoot' fox, badger and especially otters. I wouldn't hold your breath for full sun
Great work Franco, keep it up.
Denis
 
DomDP said:
Daniella, if you would at least admit that the colors might be OK,
and you just might have been a little misgiuded when you blew
franco's pictures out of the water then I would have alot more
respect for your opinions, and you as a person.
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first i really thought the color don't look right and i still think, but its my opinion. I did not not blew his picture! I simply give my opinion on the color, the rest of the photo is nice has i said!!!!!

--Daniella http://www.pbase.com/zylenC7OO discussion group: http://www.homepet.com/cgi-bin/c700/UltraBoard.cgi
 
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