Sigma publishes an Image Sample Gallery

Does it really matter ? What matters is ones own opinion. Just because it came from the Sigma forum does not mean they are any more experts than ones own personal preference. The funny thing is that if you will judge a DSLR from a posting on the net, don't you think you should just invest your hard earned money on a good P&S ?
It seems not even the Sigma forum was impressed.
Check out their responses.
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I think the way this thread has drifted off into discussions on jaggies and the hurling of insults rather proves my point. NO NEWS HERE.

Mustafa
 
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I just thought I would point out that the current Sigma samples are all taken by active users here at dpreview Sigma subforum. My point being that most (all?) of the respective photographers are avid amateurs, not making a living with photography. While these initial samples are very impressive, I can't wait for higher ISO and RAW files to be available.

Did you see the 13 second exposure photo from Chunsum?? Great colors in my opinion.

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To say that this is not newsworthy is absurd. This is a major new technology, and whether you like it or dislike it - It is indeed news.

Nice shots BTW... :)

Dave
In the landscape section I see two photos by Kendall Gelner. You?

Congrats!
Yes, I actually thought that would be pretty clear as I don't make
any effort to obscure my name here, but this being the internet and
all I should make i clear three of the photos are mine. So you can
take my posts as biased, but at least it's an informed bias... :-)

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I think it is being a bit picky considering this is an actual pixels view and I have no idea whether this would be visible in a print but they are there...
I can see a 'rope' type artifact on one of the down elements of the lamp and strange diagonal stripes in the blinds that might possibly be moire.
There are jaggies in the diagonal components of the black wrought iron work
There are jaggies on the lamp posts
There are rope effects on the left side of the lamp
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There are clear aliasing artifacts in all of the sample images posted in this thread.

I can't vouch for where or how they have come about, but they are there.

And quite obvious, to me at least.
 
I can see a 'rope' type artifact on one of the down elements of the
lamp and strange diagonal stripes in the blinds that might possibly
be moire.
I didn't "see" them because I am looking at 100 percent. And yes, at 300 percent I can see them. I can also see jaggies at 300 percent on all my digital photo's... :)

On the SD9/10 I could see jaggies at 100 percent. No need for zooming... :)

Dave
 
If you are talking about normal stairstep aliasing which can really only be seen in these samples by using excessive zoom then I understand what he is talking about. All digital capture does this and digital capture made without AA blur filtering shows it more distinctly.

You can't describe other than 180, 90 or 45 degree angles with square "building blocks" without stairstep aliasing. It doesn't matter what the resolution, it only pushes the aliasing into smaller increments. The identical effect can be seen with even the 16 megapixel Canon 1DS Mark II when excessive zoom is used - especially this is visible when using bilinear zoom.

Normal prints from this image would show no visible stairstep aliasing at all. Extreme enlargements will, especially if viewed under magnification. This is quite normal for any digital capture but exacerbated with the absence of an AA blur filter. Not having an AA filter allows the beautiful clarity and sharpness these sensors are know for. Nothing in a CFA filtered image of similar capture resolution compares in my experience and the exceptional sharpness is a hallmark of the X3 processor.

The stairstep aliasing in the present samples is much less apparent than in previous X3 iterations by virtue of increased resolution. The same issues were leveled against the Kodak 14 megapixel cameras and in prints it was a non-issue just as I expect it to be from this camera.

I've printed literally thousands of X3 images and over 100 images from the SD14 and I see no evidence of "jaggies" in any of my prints unless printing at A3 or larger sizes and then only in specific types of photography such as architecture where there are man-made angles.

For those who prefer the AA filter, then my suggestion is to confine their photography to CFA based cameras. It's different strokes for different folks and there is nothing unexpected in these images.

Best regards,

Lin
There are clear aliasing artifacts in all of the sample images
posted in this thread.

I can't vouch for where or how they have come about, but they are
there.

And quite obvious, to me at least.
 
You need to examine an enlargement that

1. Is at an offset such that all of the original pixels are retained. For example:

input image:

A B C
D E F
G H I

output image:

X X X X X X
A X B X C X
X X X X X X
D X E X F X
X X X X X X
G X H X I X

The above example represents a 2X enlargement that is offcenter by (-0.5, -0.5).

2. If the Xs can be interpolated in some visually congruous way that does not give the appearance of jaggies, that is evidence that there are no jaggies in the original. Similary, the relative amounts of jaggedness between cameras can be accertained, even when the interpolation method is not perfect, as long as the interpolation method does not introduce many jaggies jaggies.

Personally, I do this by inspecting enlargements with my DDL method:



I would say, compared to Bayer cameras, there are relatively few jaggies.
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I think the way this thread has drifted off into discussions on jaggies and the hurling of insults rather proves my point. NO NEWS HERE.

Mustafa

Thanks for reinforcing my last point.

Mustafa
 
Consider a straight 45 degree line of one pixel width. You may see jaggies where there are no jaggies because pixels are represented as squares on your monitor. Here, the test of jaggedness is whether the centers of the squares lie on a straight line and not how they appear to the eye. The practicallity of this criterion lies in the fact that this line can be smoothly interpolated. For other ridges and edges, the criteron is smoothness of the isophotes in the interpolated image.
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I can't understand why you can't. They are perfectly visible on my monitor without any 'zoom' required.

I doubt you would see it in any reasonable size print though but it is perfectly clear on screen.
If you are talking about normal stairstep aliasing which can really
only be seen in these samples by using excessive zoom .... snip
What? Excessive zoom? These are nothing but 100%, certainly not
"excessive zoom"!
And that's the point.

Dave
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