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franco · Feb 14, 2002

the ducks and swans came out, here are some pics. comments would be great.

http://image2.pbase.com/u7/franco27/large/1149812.P2072000copy.jpg--franco

Lori Foote · Feb 14, 2002

Franco,
INCREDIBLE shots! The color is just perfect. Wonderful pics!

Lori

franco said:
the ducks and swans came out, here are some pics. comments would be
great.

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DomDP · Feb 14, 2002

franco said:
the ducks and swans came out, here are some pics. comments would be
great.

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Daniella68313 · Feb 14, 2002

Hello,

The swan itself is nice but the colors are very muddy or brownish, even for the water. Looks like the white balance was way off on those swan photos.

What camera did you use? does it have white balance correction? if it does then you could probably try the manual white balance to get better quality images.

The third photo seam to be better for colors.

franco said:
the ducks and swans came out, here are some pics. comments would be
great.

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Daniella68313 · Feb 14, 2002

hmm am i the only one giving honest opinion or am i going colorblind???

just wondering if i am the only one with the same impression on those photos?

Daniella said:
The swan itself is nice but the colors are very muddy or brownish,
even for the water. Looks like the white balance was way off on
those swan photos.

What camera did you use? does it have white balance correction? if
it does then you could probably try the manual white balance to get
better quality images.

The third photo seam to be better for colors.

franco said:

the ducks and swans came out, here are some pics. comments would be
great.

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DomDP · Feb 14, 2002

you are certainly a very knowledgable photography person, but can you excercise a little more tact in the way you analyze everyone else's pics.

I do not think you realize it, but much of your analysis has a "mine are better than yours air to them"

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Daniella68313 · Feb 14, 2002

I know there is something wrong with the color on both sawn photos..but still some people say perfect colors? at least say something like "nice photo"... but saying the color are perfect? i think its a bit misleading for the person asking for comments.

DomDP said:
you are certainly a very knowledgable photography person, but can
you excercise a little more tact in the way you analyze everyone
else's pics.

I do not think you realize it, but much of your analysis has a
"mine are better than yours air to them"

No i did not realize it, and i don,t think my photos are better than every body photos...If i ask for critics on my photos i am expecting people to give me a fair opinion that will help me improve something...i think its the all point of posting photos, or is it only to hear pride?

Most of us want to hear what people really tink no? at least i do, and if people are commenting on my photos that they like it..but they don,t..i would rather have them skip the comment or say speak their mind truly and honestly.

DomDP said:
Ok my thoughts. See ya....
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MCalanan · Feb 14, 2002

Great shots, especially in the detail with #2 - I'm fighting the urge to wipe the little guy's chin!

What camera was used? Was a telephoto lens also used?

Keep up the great work,

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DomDP · Feb 14, 2002

Daniella said:
I know there is something wrong with the color on both sawn
photos..but still some people say perfect colors? at least say
something like "nice photo"... but saying the color are perfect? i
think its a bit misleading for the person asking for comments.

Most people are being honest with their own observations. You are assuming this person knows as much as you do about colors.

Daniella68313 said:
DomDP said:

you are certainly a very knowledgable photography person, but can
you excercise a little more tact in the way you analyze everyone
else's pics.

I do not think you realize it, but much of your analysis has a
"mine are better than yours air to them"

Click to expand...

No i did not realize it, and i don,t think my photos are better
than every body photos...If i ask for critics on my photos i am
expecting people to give me a fair opinion that will help me
improve something...i think its the all point of posting photos, or
is it only to hear pride?

Well you can approach it differently, start by saying I noticed this and that and then state your obsetvations, or ask if they would like all that advice and criticism

Daniella68313 said:
Most of us want to hear what people really tink no? at least i do,
and if people are commenting on my photos that they like it..but
they don,t..i would rather have them skip the comment or say speak
their mind truly and honestly.

Danielle, it is more how you say it , not what you say, so start out slow and then work into it, don't just blast the pics out of the water and say everthing that you find wrong, a glass that is half empty, is also half full.

By the way the colors on the swan's head are pretty natural.

Daniella68313 said:
Daniella68313 said:

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'UZ'pShoot'ERS' · Feb 14, 2002

Look like some nice dusk or dawn shots on the 1st two with the third having a higher sun in the sky.....the second one almost had me druelling over all that detail...

franco said:
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great.

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Sandman · Feb 14, 2002

franco,

These are great! The level of detail is commendable. I have no problems with the color, not all swans are perfectly white, many have brown, brownish-white tones. The color is not what makes these great, it is the dead-sharp focus, level of detail, and exposure that make these. Keep them coming. I am impressed.

Jim

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Roberta · Feb 14, 2002

Daniella said:
I know there is something wrong with the color on both sawn
photos..but still some people say perfect colors?

How can you know? Before you can assume something is wrong with the color, you would have to ask the photographer what the lighting conditions were when he took the photo. I have often seen coloring like that at sundown.

I think the photos are very good- and whether or not the white balance is off the fact of the matter is that the pictures are sharp, beautifully detailed, and convey a very nice "mood." More important, the photographer was obviously very proud of them (as indeed he should be.)

You certainly could have asked if the coloring is what he actually saw and if he said no, then you could have suggested that he start experimenting with white balance.

I agree that if someone asks for comments it is helpful to make suggestions but TACT is very important. I was an art teacher for many, many years and I would never criticize students art work without telling them what I "Liked" first and then suggesting how they might want to (and they could choose not to) make their work even better.

And...

as long as the photo is good (and these are) it is very simple to correct the colors in an editing program like Photoshop.

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Lori Foote · Feb 14, 2002

I said perfect colors and I meant it. To me it looks like the first two have a golden look to them. Thats what make them unique in my opinion. What a boring place this would be if we all have the same likes and dislikes. I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of posting a response, if I didn't mean it. I'm certainly no expert on photography, but I know what I like..........deal with it.

Lori

Daniella said:
DomDP said:

you are certainly a very knowledgable photography person, but can
you excercise a little more tact in the way you analyze everyone
else's pics.

I do not think you realize it, but much of your analysis has a
"mine are better than yours air to them"

Click to expand...

No i did not realize it, and i don,t think my photos are better
than every body photos...If i ask for critics on my photos i am
expecting people to give me a fair opinion that will help me
improve something...i think its the all point of posting photos, or
is it only to hear pride?

Most of us want to hear what people really tink no? at least i do,
and if people are commenting on my photos that they like it..but
they don,t..i would rather have them skip the comment or say speak
their mind truly and honestly.

Daniella68313 said:

Ok my thoughts. See ya....
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Daniella68313 · Feb 14, 2002

DomDP said:
Most people are being honest with their own observations. You are
assuming this person knows as much as you do about colors.

well..especially if they mention the colors are perfect no?

DomDP said:
Well you can approach it differently, start by saying I noticed
this and that and then state your obsetvations, or ask if they
would like all that advice and criticism

I don't know but what't the point of posting image for criticism if its not for advice and criticism?

DomDP said:
DomDP said:

Most of us want to hear what people really tink no? at least i do,
and if people are commenting on my photos that they like it..but
they don,t..i would rather have them skip the comment or say speak
their mind truly and honestly.

Click to expand...

Danielle, it is more how you say it , not what you say, so start
out slow and then work into it, don't just blast the pics out of
the water and say everthing that you find wrong, a glass that is
half empty, is also half full.

hmm ..start out slow? but how would you say that? it would be surely much more easier for me to say it in french but nobody will understand.

DomDP said:
By the way the colors on the swan's head are pretty natural.

The swans around here don't look that muddy in color. The third image show much better colors, but you can also see the colors are off by looking at the water. But then again, maybe its just me going colorblind.

how can i not doubt my eyes when i see those colors and someone says colors are perfect?

DomDP said:
DomDP said:

DomDP said:

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Daniella68313 · Feb 15, 2002

Roberta said:
Daniella said:

I know there is something wrong with the color on both sawn
photos..but still some people say perfect colors?

Click to expand...

Roberta said:
How can you know?

than answer me this...how would the person saying the colors are perfect know as well?

hey! i was just giving my opinion lady.

Before you can assume something is wrong with the

Roberta said:
color, you would have to ask the photographer what the lighting
conditions were when he took the photo. I have often seen coloring
like that at sundown.

yes again that was my opinion, and i know what colors look when its sunset, but those look muddy, again to my opinion.

I guess i will never comments on anyone photos ever again, because people are too pissed off by honest opiinon and prefer to hear "ho what perfect colors" even if not true. I don't know if those were the colors at that time...not more than anyone saying perfect colors, but to my opinion..they are way off, because i have seen later afternoon light..that is mostly the time i also shoot my photos and the water may have some tint of yellow, but not enough to offset the other colors. anyway, like i said..i gave my "honest" too honest it seam ..opinion. That's what it was.

Roberta said:
I think the photos are very good- and whether or not the white
balance is off the fact of the matter is that the pictures are
sharp, beautifully detailed, and convey a very nice "mood."

For me the bad colors simply ruine all the rest, but that's me.

More

Roberta said:
important, the photographer was obviously very proud of them (as
indeed he should be.)
You certainly could have asked if the coloring is what he actually
saw and if he said no, then you could have suggested that he start
experimenting with white balance.

I did not asked because i thought they were off, and i simply sayd just that.

Roberta said:
I agree that if someone asks for comments it is helpful to make
suggestions but TACT is very important. I was an art teacher for
many, many years and I would never criticize students art work
without telling them what I "Liked" first and then suggesting how
they might want to (and they could choose not to) make their work
even better.

wow...that's not the way our teachers proceed here....maybe its a California thing but they go right to the point and we are greatfull for it.

Roberta said:
And...
as long as the photo is good (and these are) it is very simple to
correct the colors in an editing program like Photoshop.

simple to correct that? but then if nobody mention it...how would he even try to do that? especially if people saying the colors are perfect?

well don't worry...i will not be commenting on your photos..i kown what you want to ear.

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Daniella68313 · Feb 15, 2002

yep...all taste are in nature..

I am actually dealing with this everyday, when we do critics on hour work.

Lori Foote said:
Lori

Daniella said:

DomDP said:

you are certainly a very knowledgable photography person, but can
you excercise a little more tact in the way you analyze everyone
else's pics.

I do not think you realize it, but much of your analysis has a
"mine are better than yours air to them"

Click to expand...

No i did not realize it, and i don,t think my photos are better
than every body photos...If i ask for critics on my photos i am
expecting people to give me a fair opinion that will help me
improve something...i think its the all point of posting photos, or
is it only to hear pride?

Most of us want to hear what people really tink no? at least i do,
and if people are commenting on my photos that they like it..but
they don,t..i would rather have them skip the comment or say speak
their mind truly and honestly.

Lori Foote said:

Ok my thoughts. See ya....
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Daniella68313 · Feb 15, 2002

well, i think my point was that most people are afraid of saying their exact thought about things like that because they are afraid of hurting people feeling.

strange enough..i have received 4 email so far from people saying the think the colors are off too, but they don't want to say it in the forum?

I guess i am too much used to critics at school and we got used to that sort of critics and get much improvement faster by doing so. In the 3d industry, if someone way oh good animation, and its not good, you will not improve and not get a job, so after 2 years of studying here..i got the idea.

Its like the teachers are trying to make you eliminate the bad things first, then when all the bad is gone, then only you can move one to enhance the good.

is that a normal practice in school?

DomDP said:
Daniella said:

I know there is something wrong with the color on both sawn
photos..but still some people say perfect colors? at least say
something like "nice photo"... but saying the color are perfect? i
think its a bit misleading for the person asking for comments.

Click to expand...

Most people are being honest with their own observations. You are
assuming this person knows as much as you do about colors.

DomDP said:

DomDP said:

you are certainly a very knowledgable photography person, but can
you excercise a little more tact in the way you analyze everyone
else's pics.

I do not think you realize it, but much of your analysis has a
"mine are better than yours air to them"

Click to expand...

No i did not realize it, and i don,t think my photos are better
than every body photos...If i ask for critics on my photos i am
expecting people to give me a fair opinion that will help me
improve something...i think its the all point of posting photos, or
is it only to hear pride?

Click to expand...

Well you can approach it differently, start by saying I noticed
this and that and then state your obsetvations, or ask if they
would like all that advice and criticism

DomDP said:

Most of us want to hear what people really tink no? at least i do,
and if people are commenting on my photos that they like it..but
they don,t..i would rather have them skip the comment or say speak
their mind truly and honestly.

Click to expand...

Danielle, it is more how you say it , not what you say, so start
out slow and then work into it, don't just blast the pics out of
the water and say everthing that you find wrong, a glass that is
half empty, is also half full.

By the way the colors on the swan's head are pretty natural.

DomDP said:

DomDP said:

Ok my thoughts. See ya....
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pbailey · Feb 15, 2002

Franco,

Great closeup of the swan (picture#2). Fantastic detail. Could you give us some setngs info.

Thanks,
Paula

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the ducks and swans came out, here are some pics. comments would be
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--
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franco · Feb 15, 2002

thanks for your comments, sorry i could not respond earlier, my connection was off.

i was using my lovely UZI, auto WB, ISO 100, A mode and spot focus. i think that these photos are accurate interms of the swan's colors, yes they are brownish, we even have almost black swans here. as for the muddy looking water which Daniella was talking about, i agree, the water looks muddy, actually the water was very muddy and kind of oily. thanks to the garbage dump next to it. --franco

DomDP · Feb 15, 2002

understand what myself and others are trying to say to you, because you probably don't want to.

Why can you never be wrong or stand to be corrected. You remind me of my wife (at times), we we argue, have to get the last word in, can not be corrected, it seems you are too narrow minded to understand how to deal with people and their feelings. Or you don't care.

Some things are better left unsaid. Why do you just blurt out what ever is on your mind, think before you say it.

Do you ever see the positive side of things or see what is not just your opinion, I know you do when you want to. beacause I see your posts.

The perfect color comment was ok, you tore it apart and made a big issue out it. I don't care if the President e-mailed you and took your issues to heart, it is not about the COLORS, DON"T YOU GET IT.

I think you are the kind of person who has to be the center of attention or controversy, the trouble is you don't know that you do.

Anyway time to move on. --DomDP-NJC-2100UZPbase Supporter http://www.pbase.com/domdp 'Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go' --T.S. Eliot--

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