Photoshop..A Must Have?

vito · Feb 14, 2002

Hi,

The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have isn't it?

Samantha

Mike Flaherty · Feb 14, 2002

IMHO, if you're serious about digital photography, you'll have and use Photoshop. There are a few camps out there that use alternatives, but it's like comparing a Beta VCR to a VHS version. Without Photoshop, you'll face an ongoing battle with compatibility in many important arenas.

Mike

Samantha said:
Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

--Mike Flaherty http://imageevent.com/mflaherty/mikesgallery

Greg M · Feb 14, 2002

Mike Flaherty said:
IMHO, if you're serious about digital photography, you'll have and
use Photoshop. There are a few camps out there that use
alternatives, but it's like comparing a Beta VCR to a VHS version.
Without Photoshop, you'll face an ongoing battle with compatibility
in many important arenas.

Mike

I'll just add that you can get alot more out of your D30 if you use PS. However, if you've been using a point and shoot film or digital, and been happy with it, then you could print straight from the camera and get better than you're use too. Then again, if you are on this forum looking for information then you are probably looking for more and in that case PS is the way to go.

You don't have to spend $600 either.

Mike Flaherty said:
Samantha said:

Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

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Steven Noyes · Feb 14, 2002

You need something like it. There are several programs
out there that do basically the same thing. A few better
and most not quite as good. But most are cheaper.

I personally do not use PS but another App. It works great
for what I do and has a few tricks that PS can't do.

In short, find a program you like to use and that you find
intuitive and use it. You will be amazed at what they are
able to do. All of them are good. PS is just the standard.

Steven

Samantha said:
Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

JSP · Feb 14, 2002

I've seen some of Mary Warner's work over in the Olympus Talk Forum and it's outstanding. She uses Paintshop Pro 7.0. I'm sure Fred Miranda could take those same photos and using Photoshop 6.0 and the actions he's made come up with even better photos. However, I don't believe the average hobbyist wants to spend $600 for Photoshop and then buy more applications to work with Photoshop. What I'm trying to say is that after looking at what Mary Warner is doing with Paint Shop Pro I think any hobbyist can get satisfactury results with that program.

Samantha said:
Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?-- http://www.st-charles.net/things.html

Joe Hawblitzel · Feb 14, 2002

The problem I've had with non-Photoshop programs is their promise to accept P.S. Plug-Ins, which then seldom work or crash the program. Anyone else seen this?

Samantha said:
Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

--Joe Hawblitzel http://home.kc.rr.com/educ/weather/index.htm

Bill too26877 · Feb 14, 2002

Sam - The least expensive way to obtain PS is through college book stores. Where I am it pays to sign up for a single class at the city college just for the discount.

billtoo

Samantha said:
Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

--bill too

Mark B. · Feb 14, 2002

Samantha said:
Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

No, not unless you're going to be a paid pro - and maybe not even then. Paint Shop Pro can do most of what PS does for a fraction of the cost - including curves, levels, multiple undos, and PS plugins. I don't know if PSP can incorporate PS actions, never tried it. But I'm sure there is a way to convert them to PSP. One advantage about PSP that I'm really surprised is not brought up more is that it can work directly with 16-bit TIFF files.

Mark

flanker · Feb 14, 2002

Or you can get the OEM version from a seller on Ubid for $49. Don't ask me if this legal, as I have no idea. This guy has been selling through Ubid for a few months now, so I assume if there is something wrong with that, he would be banned by now.

http://www.ubid.com/actn/opn/getpage.asp?AuctionId=523837708

Bill too said:
billtoo

Samantha said:

Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

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bill too

Mike Flaherty · Feb 14, 2002

Either this is a total scam, or the guy has found a tiny loophole in the law. He's selling what he calls "backup copies on CD-R's" of Photoshop 6.0 and you can also get the 6.0.1 update. Sells them with registration codes, too. Craziest thing I ever saw.

Mike

flanker said:
http://www.ubid.com/actn/opn/getpage.asp?AuctionId=523837708

Bill too said:

billtoo

Samantha said:

Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

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Wiley Denson · Feb 14, 2002

JSP said:
Samantha said:

Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

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Samantha:

I have Paint Shop Pro as well as Photoshop Elements and Photoshop 6(It's a long story why). Elements and Pain Shop Pro are about the same price ($100.00 + -)...far less than Photoshop.

Paint Shop Pro and Elements both have most of the capabilities of Photoshop, about 95-98%, but Elements will get you oriented toward Photoshop if you ever decide to go that way. Paint Shop Pro is much easier to learn than Photoshop as well.

If I were starting from scratch I would start with Elements. It's set up for new users, and has step by step tutorials called "recipies" included in the program. If you start with Photoshop, you should probably sign up for a beginners class in it at the same time. You really will need more than a book.

--Wileydd

Stew44949 · Feb 14, 2002

Samantha,

Ps is great..I'm using v5.5. However, be prepared to pay bucks for it unless you have that student ID. Indeed, it may pay off to enroll in a couple of photography classes and get the discount. However, if you can't do this, consider this. Many decent printers out there come bundled with PS 5.0 LE and a coupon to upgrade to the full version. PS LE is not the full-function version, of course, but I used it for a year before getting the full 5.5. version and it worked for me. I don't do pre-production at this point, so for me, PS 6.0 is overkill (but I wouldn't push it away if it appeared under a Christmas tree!)

If you are a beginner to this, you might also want to consider PS Elements. I haven't used it, but I hear that it is a nice package and comes with a coupon inside to upgrade to PS full version for less than $200.

You might also want to ask around if anyone has any used software they might want to let you try out to help you decide what you want to use.

Stew

Ric Blessing · Feb 14, 2002

Since it's CD-R I'd say no. If you're going to steal you might as well use Morpheus or Gnutella and save the $49. Or go the education price route or try to find an older version (say 5.5 on eBay or something).

flanker said:
http://www.ubid.com/actn/opn/getpage.asp?AuctionId=523837708

Bill too said:

billtoo

Samantha said:

Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

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bill too

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Fred Miranda · Feb 14, 2002

It is expensive, but definitely a good investment. Consider it a basic component of your digital darkroom.

Now, do you need Photoshop 6?

That would depend on your needs. If you don't intend editing high-bit files, using Channels, channel mixer, Photoshop actions, batch mode, etc.. You would be happy with Elements or PhotoshopLE (light version).

Nothing wrong with PSP or Corel Draw, but Photoshop is the industry standard and it would be nice to get comfortable with it as much as possible.

Fred

--Fred Mirandawww.fredmiranda.com

Al Goldis · Feb 14, 2002

Wiley Denson said:
Elements and Pain Shop Pro are about the

Pain Shop Pro, is that a Freudian slip?

These days, it seems like everything comes with a free copy of Photoshop 5.0 LE (Limited Edition). It's included with the G2, D30, and 1D. So chances are, if you're hanging out in this forum, you'll have at least one copy of LE.

Joe Hawblitzel · Feb 14, 2002

Quite awhile back in another forum someone posted about having bought from just such a dealer, but I'm doubtful it's the same one. These guys don't stay in one place for long. Total scam. He lost his money. It's also useful to remember a lot of these pirated copies can harbor any number of viruses. And there's no "loophole" in the law. You can't sell "backup" copies of anything copyrighted.

Mike Flaherty said:
Mike

flanker said:

http://www.ubid.com/actn/opn/getpage.asp?AuctionId=523837708

Bill too said:

billtoo

Samantha said:

Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

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bill too

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Hans Kilian · Feb 14, 2002

Samantha said:
Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

Hi Samantha.

I don't know your financial situation or how much you intend to manipulate your pictures.

But I'll definitely say that PS is worth what they charge for it. It is a very powerful program. But because it is so powerful, the learning curve is quite steep. So you'll need to spend some time with the program, just to get to know it. And you'll probably be frustrated at first. But perseverance pays off...

Kind regards,
Hans

Mark Jamison · Feb 14, 2002

Samantha said:
Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

Currently I don't use Photoshop anywhere near the level that I should.

When I bought my D30 I figured I didn't need PS and could use others. Well that was OK for a while, but as people had mentioned many times here, why spend 2K on a camera, and at least as much for lenses and then skip on the imaging software.

So I finally got PS. All I can say is WOW. I now can accomplish more than I did with any other piece of software.

Charles Huguley · Feb 14, 2002

Mike Flaherty said:
IMHO, if you're serious about digital photography, you'll have and
use Photoshop. There are a few camps out there that use
alternatives, but it's like comparing a Beta VCR to a VHS version.
Without Photoshop, you'll face an ongoing battle with compatibility
in many important arenas.

Nevertheless, PS is very expensive. Picture Publisher is a very powerful and very inexpensive alternative. I used it for years.

Charles

Mike Flaherty said:
Mike

Samantha said:

Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

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Mike Flaherty
http://imageevent.com/mflaherty/mikesgallery

Mike Flaherty · Feb 14, 2002

Hi, Charles. I can't argue with that fact.

Mike

Charles Huguley said:
Charles

Charles Huguley said:

Mike

Samantha said:

Hi,
The way everyone writes here on dp, most use PS. I guess because of
the actions you can use.. right? So really it's almost a must have
isn't it?

Samantha

Click to expand...

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Mike Flaherty
http://imageevent.com/mflaherty/mikesgallery

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