Guys, how about this, a new line of E-series camera will have an even smaller sensor with anti-shake, say 4x lens factor, then all of a sudden, your ZD 14-54 will become a 56-216, all Olympus has to throw in is a smaller version of ZD 7-14 (= 28-56 in 4x lens factor) which fit the new sensor size. Imagine, your ZD 50-200 will become a whopping 200-800…not to mention the camera will be freaky small!
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New E-series DSLR will have 4x lens factor!
- Thread starter Viclovoly
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in technology point of view, it is possible: only if olympus makes the e20 as lens interchangable camera.
Every one agree that e20 is a outstanding camera. It was made several years ago. With today's technology, it can be done much better. Why not do it?
Every one agree that e20 is a outstanding camera. It was made several years ago. With today's technology, it can be done much better. Why not do it?
Zoltan2
Senior Member
So you want a 2/3" type sensor just like the one in the C-8080?
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Bully T
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You can already get a 4x factor by using a 2/3 sensor. Some of the 'super zoom' compacts use this (Oly 8080). However, you cant change the lenses and they arnt as quick as a DSLR.
I use a Leica D2, which has a 2/3 sensor, thus 4x factor on its excelent lens. The results are superb. Would be nice to be able to pop on an longer lense as your post is suggestng!
If anyone is interseted I had the Oly C8080 and I can tell you the Leica is in another league in all aspects - image quality, speed and especially ease of use. In fact, using it is far better than many DLSR's - I traded an canon 350d for it and have no regrets.
Quite fancy the Oly E400 though, love the retro look and size.
Andy
I use a Leica D2, which has a 2/3 sensor, thus 4x factor on its excelent lens. The results are superb. Would be nice to be able to pop on an longer lense as your post is suggestng!
If anyone is interseted I had the Oly C8080 and I can tell you the Leica is in another league in all aspects - image quality, speed and especially ease of use. In fact, using it is far better than many DLSR's - I traded an canon 350d for it and have no regrets.
Quite fancy the Oly E400 though, love the retro look and size.
Andy
Yes, why not, look at those compacts in the market today, they are all in 1/1.8" yet they got 10 million pixels. I say it should have 6 millions pixels for a 2/3" type sensor with usable ISO 800 and live view, then sell it under USD 299 with a kit lens, that should be a killer!
Zoltan2
Senior Member
SOMETIMES you can get very decent results out of an ISO 800 shot taken with a camera that has a 2/3" sensor, provided you shoot raw and develop your pics with the right raw converter. I did so with my A1 and RawDeal:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=11781940
But this is more the exception than the rule - could not replicate this with other photographs -, and remember the A1 is a 5mp camera, not a 10mp one.
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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=11781940
But this is more the exception than the rule - could not replicate this with other photographs -, and remember the A1 is a 5mp camera, not a 10mp one.
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That is correct, I mean, maybe Olympus could get Fuji to put one of their SuperCCD into this camera, then we will even get usable ISO 1600 images, remember, the Fuji F30 uses 1/1.7" sensor and its images at ISO 800 are totally usable right out of the box.
decmate
Forum Enthusiast
So the new wide angle zoom will have to be a ZD 3.5-10 and the fisheye a 4mm.
Not everone wants super long focal lengths.
Just my opinion of course.
John
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Who is that in the hyperfocal distance?
The trouble with the 2/3 is that it would quickly reach a dead end in terms of achievable image quality. There's an elegant physics calculation regarding diffraction limits that shows a 10MP 1/2.5 sensor, for example, simply cannot resolve 10MP for essentially all lens openings because of diffraction of light through the lens opening. And that's a fundamental limit, not even accounting for lens quality, etc.
The 4/3 has a longer future, and should be able to eventually support 16+MP resolution sensors. I think this is one area where Oly took a risk to get something right. If you like great images, I think the competition for Oly is with C & N moving their DSLR technology downmarket, not with P&S technology moving upmarket.
Jeff
The 4/3 has a longer future, and should be able to eventually support 16+MP resolution sensors. I think this is one area where Oly took a risk to get something right. If you like great images, I think the competition for Oly is with C & N moving their DSLR technology downmarket, not with P&S technology moving upmarket.
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Jeff
By the way, I still take out my E-10 from time to time. It still takes amazing images.
Jeff
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Cephalotus
Senior Member
Most of the lenses are not good enough for that.
But the idea itself is not to bad, but do not use a 8MP 2/3" sensor, make a 32MP 4/3" sensor and you will get the same when cropping...
jscott
Senior Member
Nope, it would still be a 14-54mm.
Nope, a 7-14mm would still be a 7-14mm.
Nope, it would still be a 50-200mm.
Regards,
Scott
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Raist3d
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It's not happening, and it is a horrible idea for many reasons. First, not everyone wants to use telephoto lenses all the time- where does wide angle go?
2nd- technical wise it makes handling noise in sensors far more difficult at the same resolution
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Raist3d
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2nd- technical wise it makes handling noise in sensors far more difficult at the same resolution
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Pedagydusz
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What you really want has just been announced it is the SP 550uz
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If you want to do wide angle, get a regular E-xxx camera, not this one. The idea behind of it is actually one step further of E-400. Smaller sensor can lower the price, and can achieve very compact size. The camera itself does not need to be very high end (feature-wise) neither. many people are intimidated by the high price of DSLR, and some of them worrying about carrying heavy lenses. For $299 (more or less), I can guarantee many consumer will considering buying one. Remember, what makes a good DSLR is the design that fits its target customers, not one having the fastest FPS or the highest megapixel etc. This camera is for those casual customers who are tight in budget.
It wouldn't be a dead end if they are going for a 6 mp 2/3" sensor, especially if it is a super ccd sensor, just take a look at the samples of Fuji F30 and you will know what I mean. I would say it is the world first pocket size DSLR! That will turn some heads for sure.
Don't get me wrong, an E-10/20 updated with current sensor technology would be terrific. But what happens two years from now, or 5 years from now? At that point you might reach a technological limit in what 2/3's can achieve, while the 4/3's could continue on the development path.
Seems to me the 4/3's has a stronger long-term future than the 2/3's format. Since high quality glass is expensive and long term investment, I'd rather put my money in 4/3's than 2/3's.
I suppose you could make the same argument for the Canon 5D track relative to the 4/3's. So be it.
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Jeff
Seems to me the 4/3's has a stronger long-term future than the 2/3's format. Since high quality glass is expensive and long term investment, I'd rather put my money in 4/3's than 2/3's.
I suppose you could make the same argument for the Canon 5D track relative to the 4/3's. So be it.
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Jeff
Cephalotus
Senior Member
Please explain to me how the E-400 can become smaller when using a smaller sensor...
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