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For the love of God....fine it runs Mac OSX!!!!

And guess what!! Steve Jobs will use it in his next Keynote to launch the space shuttle

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You said,

"REad a little bit of the 500 + articles I have on the iPhone. The iPhone runs a stripped down version of MAC OS X !!!!!!!!!"

(1) Please make no assumptions as to what I have or have not read.

(2) You are basically re-writing his point while repeating your own error.

(3) The article you linked supports his point, not yours. "OS X" is not the same thing as "Mac OS X", and the iPhone runs the former, not the latter. He's right, you're wrong.

(4) You have effectively refuted the claim, "the iPhone is not running any form of OS X." No-one was making that claim, though.

(5) They did not "change the name". The OS used in the iPhone is a new entity, even though it may be a modificaton of an existing product. If I bring out a new convertible version of my existing sports sedan line, I have not "changed the name" if I label it differently from my sports sedans.

I don't get what's the difficulty here.

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'The camera can photograph thought. It's better than a paragraph of sweet polemic.' Dirk Bogarde
-adrian charles-
barbados.
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Ken's wrong.

You are correct.

If Mac OSX applications won't run without modification, then it isn't Mac OSX, and Mac OSX applications won't run without modification.

Tom
 
guttaperk said:
You said,
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"(4) You have effectively refuted the claim, "the iPhone is not running any form of OS X." No-one was making that claim, though."

Not at all the truth. Apple's page on the iPhone quite clearly says OS X. Apple wanted to change the name and leave Mac out of it so it would appeal to both PC and Mac users. Just the same the iPhone is quirte clearly running a stripped down version of Mac OS X. Let's see, ummm, do PC's run OS X? How about Linux? How about Sun? No, I believe it is Mac OS X.

Ken
 
Ken,

OSX is the parent of Mac OSX. OSX is also the parent of the iPhone OSX. Odds are that OSX will spawn more children in the future.

That makes Mac OSX and iPhone OSX siblings.

tom
 
Ken,
Ken Leonard said:
guttaperk said:
You said,
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"(4) You have effectively refuted the claim, "the iPhone is not
running any form of OS X." No-one was making that claim, though."

Not at all the truth.
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If that's not the truth, please link and quote anyone in this thread who has claimed that the iPhone is not running any form of OS X.
Ken Leonard said:
Apple wanted to change the name and leave Mac out of it so it
would appeal to both PC and Mac users. Just the same the iPhone is
quirte clearly running a stripped down version of Mac OS X. Let's
see, ummm, do PC's run OS X? How about Linux? How about Sun? No, I
believe it is Mac OS X.
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I think I see the problem here. You are stubborn and argumentative, yet fuzzy and imprecise in language use as well as careless and haphazard in logical construction.

Good luck with that.

cheers...

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'The camera can photograph thought. It's better than a paragraph of sweet polemic.' Dirk Bogarde
-adrian charles-
barbados.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/guttaperk/
 
So you resort to attacks, offer no explanation as to why this is not Mac OS X. No wonder you have only posted 75 times since 2002.

Have a nice weekend

I am becoming weary of this thread and those that continue to try to bump it up.

End

Ken
guttaperk said:
Ken Leonard said:
guttaperk said:
You said,
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"(4) You have effectively refuted the claim, "the iPhone is not
running any form of OS X." No-one was making that claim, though."

Not at all the truth.
Click to expand...
If that's not the truth, please link and quote anyone in this
thread who has claimed that the iPhone is not running any form of
OS X.
guttaperk said:
Apple wanted to change the name and leave Mac out of it so it
would appeal to both PC and Mac users. Just the same the iPhone is
quirte clearly running a stripped down version of Mac OS X. Let's
see, ummm, do PC's run OS X? How about Linux? How about Sun? No, I
believe it is Mac OS X.
Click to expand...
I think I see the problem here. You are stubborn and argumentative,
yet fuzzy and imprecise in language use as well as careless and
haphazard in logical construction.

Good luck with that.

cheers...

--
'The camera can photograph thought. It's better than a paragraph of
sweet polemic.' Dirk Bogarde
-adrian charles-
barbados.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/guttaperk/
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Ken Leonard said:
So you resort to attacks
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No, I did not. In fact, I will apologise for any offense caused by my remarks. I stand by my comments as an accurate description at least of your posting thus far in this thread- though I should not comment on the other 99.999% of your character, existence, or behavior, which are unknown to me.
Ken Leonard said:
offer no explanation as to why this is
not Mac OS X
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The explanation is repeated, on page one, by several posters.

If you have questions about my explanation (or that of others), feel free to ask.
Ken Leonard said:
No wonder you have only posted 75 times since 2002.
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What has that to do with anything?
Ken Leonard said:
Have a nice weekend
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Same to you , dude.
Ken Leonard said:
I am becoming weary of this thread and those that continue to try
to bump it up.
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Others have said the same thing, only in response to you.

If you want to raise the conversation to a higher level, I'd be happy to do so, but it would require your trying to understand what others are saying instead of dismissing them out of hand.

Again, Ken, if you have any serious questions, I'd be happy to address them.

cheers

adrian.

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'The camera can photograph thought. It's better than a paragraph of sweet polemic.' Dirk Bogarde
-adrian charles-
barbados.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/guttaperk/
 
Here's another article about the Mac OS X vs OS X debate:

“Mac OS X vs OS X?

A few readers have jumped on the detail that Apple seems to be consistently referring to the iPhone as running "OS X," not "Mac OS X." This does seem unusual, because Apple has never referred to Darwin, the open source portion of Mac OS X--or any other subset of its OS--as anything other than "Mac OS X."

In fact, it does not even seem sensical for Apple to point out that the iPhone is running "Mac OS X" and then leave out the Mac. Apple is obviously intending to focus attention on the use of its own OS in powering the device, or it would have kept the detail a secret. On the Macworld show floor, Apple representatives did not seem to pointedly distinguish between the the two phrasings. Is there a difference?

What purpose is there in referring to two related OS products under different names? If Apple hopes the iPhone will offer an additional peripheral marketing halo that sells more of the company's Mac computers, then Mac is the brand name Apple should be advertising.”

Link to article:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/081A0C60-AD28-40EE-89EE-D54F1024FDBB.html

Ken
guttaperk said:
Ken Leonard said:
So you resort to attacks
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No, I did not. In fact, I will apologise for any offense caused by
my remarks. I stand by my comments as an accurate description at
least of your posting thus far in this thread- though I should not
comment on the other 99.999% of your character, existence, or
behavior, which are unknown to me.
guttaperk said:
offer no explanation as to why this is
not Mac OS X
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The explanation is repeated, on page one, by several posters.

If you have questions about my explanation (or that of others),
feel free to ask.
guttaperk said:
No wonder you have only posted 75 times since 2002.
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What has that to do with anything?
guttaperk said:
Have a nice weekend
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Same to you , dude.
guttaperk said:
I am becoming weary of this thread and those that continue to try
to bump it up.
Click to expand...
Others have said the same thing, only in response to you.

If you want to raise the conversation to a higher level, I'd be
happy to do so, but it would require your trying to understand what
others are saying instead of dismissing them out of hand.

Again, Ken, if you have any serious questions, I'd be happy to
address them.

cheers

adrian.

--
'The camera can photograph thought. It's better than a paragraph of
sweet polemic.' Dirk Bogarde
-adrian charles-
barbados.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/guttaperk/
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Quick question - who gives a what it runs, whether it's Mac OS X or OS X, or some other random OS ? Surely all we care about is that it's an Apple device and looks pretty cool?

Other observation - how long you have been using computers bears little relevance to how much you actually know about how stuff really works, particularly in the Mac world, where Mac OS X turned everything on its head a few years ago. You get all these people who've been using Apples since the beginning banging on about rebuilding this that and the other, repairing permissions and all that , and claiming that the know best because of how long they've been using Macs. If they actually knew how the underlying OS actually worked (even just a reasonable understanding of UNIX!), then they might start to talk some sense from time to time.

[NB - by "you" in the statement above, I mean a generic "one" rather a specific individual]
 
Ken,

Are you trying to understand what other people are saying, or are you playing a game of on-upmanship?

If you are trying to understand, it might be more profitable if you asked questions.

I had already read the article.

(1) A paragraph above that which you quoted draws the parallel that I already made for you- between OS X and Windows. Both may be considered a family of products with linking underlying technologies. The iPhone is not "MacOS X" any more than Windows CE is "Windows XP".

(2) A paragraph below that which you quoted actually supports what I have been saying- the writer just notes that this constitutes a change in terminology for Apple. This is true; but so what?

I am not interested in playing games with you, nor in linkbattles. You really have yet to address the substantive points made on page one of this thread. I will be happy, though, to clarify any questions you have, to the extent of my ability.

cheers

adrian.

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'The camera can photograph thought. It's better than a paragraph of sweet polemic.' Dirk Bogarde
-adrian charles-
barbados.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/guttaperk/
 
Let me reclarify.

Apple seems to be moving towards a more coherent organisation of its expanding brands.

"Mac" seems to refer more now to their PC offerings.
They seem to want to extend their "OS X" brand into their non-PC offerings.

Thus, they seem now to be referring to their common underlying OS technologies as "OS X", while referring to their computer-specific OS product as "Mac OS X".

This is a fairly new distinction, but one that is worth making, for reasons including, but not limited to, issues of binary compatibility mentioned earlier in this thread.

While "Mac OS X" versus "OS X" is not the only means of making this distinction, it only seems reasonable to stick with the terminology that Apple is now proferring. And why not?

This should not diminish our enthusiasm. I really don't see any reason to oppose the distinction.

Ken, if you have opposition to this summation, please say specifically what you oppose, instead of just posting more links- though links can be interesting too.

cheers

adrian.

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'The camera can photograph thought. It's better than a paragraph of sweet polemic.' Dirk Bogarde
-adrian charles-
barbados.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/guttaperk/
 
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