World distortion, not barrel one!

Which leads me to this ...................... A reported
intelligent person was interviewed regarding the establishment of a
launch facility on the Cape York peninsula, and to a question from
a journalist as to why the Cape York Peninsula, his reply
was.....................Cape York is closer to the equator than
Cape Canaveral and therefore closer to outer space........so less
rocket fuel would be used to launch a vehicle into outer
space.
The latter is true, but not because the rocket would be closer to "outer space" (whatever that's supposed to be). Because of the earth's rotation, the speed of the rocket would be about 460 m/s at the equator, even before the launch. Both north and south of the equator, the rocket would be closer to the earth's axis and thus be slower.
 
Still these questions remain unanswered:

The Rocket , compartively would be how much faster at the equator than North or South of it?

The difference in speed...........would that be laterally and of no significance in a launch.....I guess he meant the stratosphere when referring to space.
Is that why I am dizzy all the time or is it my bloodpressure ? :(
Is that why my photos are sometimes blurred.
wnen
Which leads me to this ...................... A reported
intelligent person was interviewed regarding the establishment of a
launch facility on the Cape York peninsula, and to a question from
a journalist as to why the Cape York Peninsula, his reply
was.....................Cape York is closer to the equator than
Cape Canaveral and therefore closer to outer space........so less
rocket fuel would be used to launch a vehicle into outer
space.
The latter is true, but not because the rocket would be closer to
"outer space" (whatever that's supposed to be). Because of the
earth's rotation, the speed of the rocket would be about 460 m/s at
the equator, even before the launch. Both north and south of the
equator, the rocket would be closer to the earth's axis and thus be
slower.
  • Michael
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The Rocket , compartively would be how much faster at the equator
than North or South of it?
The initial speed would be zero at the north or south pole and about 40,000 Kilometers per day at the equator; between the poles and the equator it is somewhere in between these two extremes.
The difference in speed...........would that be laterally and of no
significance in a launch....
It would be quite significant. That's why US rockets are launched from Cape Canaveral rather than New Jersey, or why European rockets are launched from Kourou.
 
Dunke, Michael, wie gehtes ihnen um Deutschland?
That was very enlightening and just wondered were you got all your information!
The Rocket , compartively would be how much faster at the equator
than North or South of it?
The initial speed would be zero at the north or south pole and
about 40,000 Kilometers per day at the equator; between the poles
and the equator it is somewhere in between these two extremes.
The difference in speed...........would that be laterally and of no
significance in a launch....
It would be quite significant. That's why US rockets are launched
from Cape Canaveral rather than New Jersey, or why European rockets
are launched from Kourou.
  • Michael
--
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http://www.michael-hussmann.de
 
The earth spins on its axis once per day and is about 25000 (40000 KM) miles circumference at the equater. Therefore a rocket at the equator is actually moving around a 25000 mile circle at roughly 1000 miles an hour.

At the exact point of the axis, somewhere near the north pole, it would be moving in a circle that is virtually zero miles circumference . It won't be zero because the earth wobbles a bit. Even if it's as big as 1000 miles (which I'm sure it isn't) the rocket will be travelling at 1000 miles a day or roughly 40 miles an hour. 1000 plays 40 (or less).

As the rocket moves away from the earth it will not go in exactly a straight line but will describe a spiral. As you get further to the equator the base of the spiral gets bigger meaning that to get the equivalent distance away from the earth you have to travel further because you are going round a longer spiral . Effectively, as you said Eric, space is further away the nearer you get to the equator because you have to travel further to get there.

How this relates to fuel is another problem because the energy for the rotational movement comes from the earth not the rocket. However, you can't reach a point on the moon by spinning on a 25000 mile circular trajectory so some kind of compensation/correction would have to be made thus using more fuel. Also the stability and control issue would be different.
regards
Ian
Dunke, Michael, wie gehtes ihnen um Deutschland?
That was very enlightening and just wondered were you got all your
information!
The Rocket , compartively would be how much faster at the equator
than North or South of it?
The initial speed would be zero at the north or south pole and
about 40,000 Kilometers per day at the equator; between the poles
and the equator it is somewhere in between these two extremes.
The difference in speed...........would that be laterally and of no
significance in a launch....
It would be quite significant. That's why US rockets are launched
from Cape Canaveral rather than New Jersey, or why European rockets
are launched from Kourou.
  • Michael
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.michael-hussmann.de
 
i always thought they chose these launch sites because if something went wrong they would have a less populated area to deal with and could abort with minimal loss of life.

Is the circumference of the earth greater at the equator or greater when measured through both poles ?
Dunke, Michael, wie gehtes ihnen um Deutschland?
That was very enlightening and just wondered were you got all your
information!
The Rocket , compartively would be how much faster at the equator
than North or South of it?
The initial speed would be zero at the north or south pole and
about 40,000 Kilometers per day at the equator; between the poles
and the equator it is somewhere in between these two extremes.
The difference in speed...........would that be laterally and of no
significance in a launch....
It would be quite significant. That's why US rockets are launched
from Cape Canaveral rather than New Jersey, or why European rockets
are launched from Kourou.
  • Michael
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.michael-hussmann.de
 
i always thought they chose these launch sites because if something
went wrong they would have a less populated area to deal with and
could abort with minimal loss of life.
Yess I'm sure that's right too
Is the circumference of the earth greater at the equator or greater
when measured through both poles ?
The circumference of the Earth is 24,901.55 miles (40,075.16 km) at the equator. Pole to pole circumference is 24,859.82 miles (40,008 km).
regards
Ian
Dunke, Michael, wie gehtes ihnen um Deutschland?
That was very enlightening and just wondered were you got all your
information!
The Rocket , compartively would be how much faster at the equator
than North or South of it?
The initial speed would be zero at the north or south pole and
about 40,000 Kilometers per day at the equator; between the poles
and the equator it is somewhere in between these two extremes.
The difference in speed...........would that be laterally and of no
significance in a launch....
It would be quite significant. That's why US rockets are launched
from Cape Canaveral rather than New Jersey, or why European rockets
are launched from Kourou.
  • Michael
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.michael-hussmann.de
 
i always thought they chose these launch sites because if something
went wrong they would have a less populated area to deal with and
could abort with minimal loss of life.
The reasoning goes like this: first you want a launch site that is as close to the equator as possible, because at the equator, the rocket is moving at 60 m/s from west to east, even as it sits on its launch pad -- simply because the earth's surface moves at that speed. With that speed boost, it takes less energy (and thus fuel) to accelerate the rocket to the speed required for the intended orbit. Because the launch pad moves from west to east, you want to launch the rocket in that direction -- otherwise, you would need even more fuel when the rocket moves at 60 m/s in the wrong direction. That's why satellites generally move from west to east. Now you don't want first rocket stages or the debris from an aborted launch to hit inhabited areas, so a launch site on the east coast (or a launch site at the western border of some uninhabited wasteland) is best.
 
i always thought they chose these launch sites because if something
went wrong they would have a less populated area to deal with and
could abort with minimal loss of life.
The reasoning goes like this: first you want a launch site that is
as close to the equator as possible, because at the equator, the
rocket is moving at 60 m/s from west to east, even as it sits on
its launch pad -- simply because the earth's surface moves at that
speed. With that speed boost, it takes less energy (and thus fuel)
to accelerate the rocket to the speed required for the intended
orbit. Because the launch pad moves from west to east, you want to
launch the rocket in that direction -- otherwise, you would need
even more fuel when the rocket moves at 60 m/s in the wrong
direction. That's why satellites generally move from west to east.
Now you don't want first rocket stages or the debris from an
aborted launch to hit inhabited areas, so a launch site on the east
coast (or a launch site at the western border of some uninhabited
wasteland) is best.
  • Michael
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.michael-hussmann.de

This was better than reading a SiFi (which I don't read).Actually it was
very interesting. Can't wait to see the photos. How old is the Cidar
you're drinking??--Lois
 
these are the photos..........................i am the one in the suit.








i always thought they chose these launch sites because if something
went wrong they would have a less populated area to deal with and
could abort with minimal loss of life.
The reasoning goes like this: first you want a launch site that is
as close to the equator as possible, because at the equator, the
rocket is moving at 60 m/s from west to east, even as it sits on
its launch pad -- simply because the earth's surface moves at that
speed. With that speed boost, it takes less energy (and thus fuel)
to accelerate the rocket to the speed required for the intended
orbit. Because the launch pad moves from west to east, you want to
launch the rocket in that direction -- otherwise, you would need
even more fuel when the rocket moves at 60 m/s in the wrong
direction. That's why satellites generally move from west to east.
Now you don't want first rocket stages or the debris from an
aborted launch to hit inhabited areas, so a launch site on the east
coast (or a launch site at the western border of some uninhabited
wasteland) is best.
  • Michael
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.michael-hussmann.de

This was better than reading a SiFi (which I don't read).Actually it was
very interesting. Can't wait to see the photos. How old is the Cidar
you're drinking??
--
Lois
 
For newbies in the Fuji forum :

In this forum the sky is not the limit :-)

Skitch







i always thought they chose these launch sites because if something
went wrong they would have a less populated area to deal with and
could abort with minimal loss of life.
The reasoning goes like this: first you want a launch site that is
as close to the equator as possible, because at the equator, the
rocket is moving at 60 m/s from west to east, even as it sits on
its launch pad -- simply because the earth's surface moves at that
speed. With that speed boost, it takes less energy (and thus fuel)
to accelerate the rocket to the speed required for the intended
orbit. Because the launch pad moves from west to east, you want to
launch the rocket in that direction -- otherwise, you would need
even more fuel when the rocket moves at 60 m/s in the wrong
direction. That's why satellites generally move from west to east.
Now you don't want first rocket stages or the debris from an
aborted launch to hit inhabited areas, so a launch site on the east
coast (or a launch site at the western border of some uninhabited
wasteland) is best.
  • Michael
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.michael-hussmann.de

This was better than reading a SiFi (which I don't read).Actually it was
very interesting. Can't wait to see the photos. How old is the Cidar
you're drinking??
--
Lois
--Skitch http://www.digitalfriends.cc
 
In this forum the sky is not the limit :-)

Skitch

Is that with or without the cider?????
Lois







i always thought they chose these launch sites because if something
went wrong they would have a less populated area to deal with and
could abort with minimal loss of life.
The reasoning goes like this: first you want a launch site that is
as close to the equator as possible, because at the equator, the
rocket is moving at 60 m/s from west to east, even as it sits on
its launch pad -- simply because the earth's surface moves at that
speed. With that speed boost, it takes less energy (and thus fuel)
to accelerate the rocket to the speed required for the intended
orbit. Because the launch pad moves from west to east, you want to
launch the rocket in that direction -- otherwise, you would need
even more fuel when the rocket moves at 60 m/s in the wrong
direction. That's why satellites generally move from west to east.
Now you don't want first rocket stages or the debris from an
aborted launch to hit inhabited areas, so a launch site on the east
coast (or a launch site at the western border of some uninhabited
wasteland) is best.
  • Michael
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.michael-hussmann.de

This was better than reading a SiFi (which I don't read).Actually it was
very interesting. Can't wait to see the photos. How old is the Cidar
you're drinking??
--
Lois
--
Skitch
http://www.digitalfriends.cc
--Lois
 
The Cider drinker is driving the ship !
In this forum the sky is not the limit :-)

Skitch

Is that with or without the cider?????
Lois







i always thought they chose these launch sites because if something
went wrong they would have a less populated area to deal with and
could abort with minimal loss of life.
The reasoning goes like this: first you want a launch site that is
as close to the equator as possible, because at the equator, the
rocket is moving at 60 m/s from west to east, even as it sits on
its launch pad -- simply because the earth's surface moves at that
speed. With that speed boost, it takes less energy (and thus fuel)
to accelerate the rocket to the speed required for the intended
orbit. Because the launch pad moves from west to east, you want to
launch the rocket in that direction -- otherwise, you would need
even more fuel when the rocket moves at 60 m/s in the wrong
direction. That's why satellites generally move from west to east.
Now you don't want first rocket stages or the debris from an
aborted launch to hit inhabited areas, so a launch site on the east
coast (or a launch site at the western border of some uninhabited
wasteland) is best.
  • Michael
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.michael-hussmann.de

This was better than reading a SiFi (which I don't read).Actually it was
very interesting. Can't wait to see the photos. How old is the Cidar
you're drinking??
--
Lois
--
Skitch
http://www.digitalfriends.cc
--
Lois
 

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