Goodbye Canon Talk :-(

Memory card format is minor compared to some
of the other compromises that manufacturers have made;
No! Not really, especially if the xD card is problematic, like I've
read so often. If I take shots and the card has a history of
becoming corrupted, it's not worth it no matter how good the camera.
I agree with you Gail. A while ago, I bought a Fuji F30, and two out of three xD cards had corruption problems. I've never had a corrupted file on SD or CF cards.

Also, I'm just getting tired of having so many memory cards of different formats around. It almost becomes an inventory management issue to keep track of which cards are for which cameras.

-barry
 
really, a 2.5 sensor with that long of a zoom?? C'mon, its not a
serious camera; a toy for newbies is what it looks like.
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The choices you've made in the past and the ones you make today
create your tomorrow.
But G7 is a pro camera, because it has 10MP in a large 1/1.8" sensor and it looks good, almost like a real rangefinder camera. I wonder what are you going to say when Canon announces their own 1/2.5" sensor ultra zoom camera with 7MP. I bet it as serious tool especially without RAW.

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If a man empties his purse into his head, no one can take it away from him. An investment of knowledge always pays the best interest.
 
I haven't bothered to read the whole thread so this has likely been mentioned - Olympus like to over-state things, to put it mildly.

Stabilization won't be able to contend with an 18x zoom. The results will be unprintble at more than 5x7. It sounds good but wait for the reviews.
Does it come with a tripod?
And it uses xD cards...

Can it sing and dance too?
It's entertaining anyway. I'm sure it will impress some people.

Ah the new trend - advertise stabilization (makes no difference how misleading) and long zooms - replaces escalating megapixels anyway - which is worse?
 
Maybe no issue for people that never used one, but as soon as you
had such a camera for just a few days you really dont want to leave
it.
Actually, after having a swivel screen on the S3, I was glad the G7
didn't have one as I find I spend too much time on them. I know
it's useful but I find it's gets in the way more times so I'm glad
some cameras comes without it.
Undoubtably, there are situations where the full twist/turn LCD is invaluable. But I agree they are time-consuming to set up and frustrating in many quick reaction need. A good compromise is the tilt up/down LCD on some Olympus cameras like the C-8080. It's as good except when you want to do a self portrait but it's fast to set up. Next and almost as good is a high resolution LCD that has a wide viewing angle like some recent ones.

--mamallama
 
There are two possibiities: (1) Olympus has made technical
breakthoughs that are unavailable to Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, Sony,
etc., or (2) Olympus chose to make compromises in image quality to
allow a range of features and capabilities that SEEM to put their
new camera ahead of the competition. I certainly hope that (1) is
the case, and, if so, I'll certainly buy one. However, if I were a
betting man, my money would be on (2). We'll just have to wait for
the reviews.
What about a third possibility that Olympus is willing to put more engineering and manufacturing efforts into a breakthrough prosumer digicam than the others to establish a reputation and marketing position? This third possibility would be a benefit to consumers. I would not bet against this (so soon).

--mamallama
 
No! Not really, especially if the xD card is problematic, like I've
read so often. If I take shots and the card has a history of
becoming corrupted, it's not worth it no matter how good the camera.
Memory cards MUST be reliable otherwise the camera is worthless. But is there real documentation that xD cards are less reliable that the others? In a search, I've found problems reported with CF and SD cards and one with a xD card purchased on eBay. Also one post on this thread.

I would like documentation of xD cards inherently being less reliable that the others. Anyone?

--mamallama
 
They're nearly the same on a P&S that doesn't use a separate
optical path for the viewfinder and autofocus system, and that has
a fixed lens. On the dSLRs, the lens shift approach is vastly
superior.

--
Lee Jay
(see profile for equipment)
How so ?

I've never seen the two technologies compared head-to-head. Infact I was informed that there's a current German photography magazine that tested IS, VR, and two methods of sensor stabilisation and the result was rather surprising.

VR was the most consistent followed by the two methods of sensor stabilisation and Canon's IS was the least consistent.

bazz.
 
As a keen photographer who understands the laws of physics, I fully understand all the criticisms and doubts expressed in this forum about a zoom that goes from 28-500 and all the image problems that is likely to create. However a point has been missed by most of the critics and doubters (who are a little premature, anyway, because they haven't seen any of the images yet!).

This forum is full of pixel peepers (myself included), who are seeking dslr quality in a camera weighing 200g and costing diddly squat. We all know it won't happen.

The majority of the market that Olympus are targeting don't fall in to this category. They want as much zoom as possible because it impresses them and they want a wizzy looking piece of kit to impress others. They know nothing about CA, barrel distortion or vignetting, nor do they care. The bottom line is that the images they get will be perfectly acceptable to the overwhelming majority of folks. My wife can't understand why I bother with my 400D, because as far as she is concerned, the images from my S3IS are just as good as those from the 400D and I don't need a bag of lenses with me. A lot of the time (the majority) she is right.
 
Not that simple for them .. imagine .. anyone can manufacture SD cards ! Creepy, right ? :-)

xD was created so they have their own card (well, together with Fuji) so people HAVE TO BUY IT. Same as Sony MS.

I'm not going to buy that. Since such 'business practices' are not fair. For no other reason. Price and reader is no big trouble.
 
On the dSLRs, the lens shift approach is vastly superior.
I wonder why. I realize that, with a lens based stabilization, the OVF will be more stable and the auto-focus might work better, are there other big advantages?

Frank
 
most of their P&S cameras just flash the low
battery icon when you have 2 or 3 shots remaining.
In my experience, this is only true with new NiMh batteries. As it gets older, the warning comes earlier and it allows me 20 shots or more while avoiding movies or flash.

A metering would be vastly superior of course. I wonder if it is a property of Lithium-Ion. Are there any cameras with NiMh that have a metering of battery capacity?

Frank
 
As a keen photographer who understands the laws of physics, I fully
understand all the criticisms and doubts expressed in this forum
about a zoom that goes from 28-500 and all the image problems that
is likely to create. However a point has been missed by most of the
critics and doubters (who are a little premature, anyway, because
they haven't seen any of the images yet!).
Well put, my man. But that's not going to stop the doubters on the Canon and Sony forums. Contrast that with the faithful believers on the Olympus forum. This would make a real psychological case study.

--mamallama
 
Not that simple for them .. imagine .. anyone can manufacture SD
cards ! Creepy, right ? :-)
xD was created so they have their own card (well, together with
Fuji) so people HAVE TO BUY IT. Same as Sony MS.
I'm not going to buy that. Since such 'business practices' are not
fair. For no other reason. Price and reader is no big trouble.
How's that different from propriety Li-ion batteries? Or does the fairness rule only apply to memory cards?

FWIW, xD cards as well as propriety Li-ion batteries are available from third party sources.

--mamallama
 
Not useful. 3 MP is more than enough for most users.
I have to disagree here.
So do I.

The large majority of digicam buyers would benefit tremendously more from better image quality, especially in low light shooting situations. And many would stop wondering why the sky in the picture is white…

The trade-off is essentially made between more pixels and better IQ. Ordinary Joes seldom print larger than A5 (210mm x 148.5mm) for which 4 megapixels is more than enough.

The major advantage of DSLRs should be increased resolution as is needed for more demanding applications and flexibility of lenses, not the basic image quality at pixel level.

-Virvatulet
 
We're really wasting time over this concept, though. The Oly
'digital stabilization' is only a high ISO and high shutter speed
setting. There's no actual stabilization going on in that mode.
Doesn't it have sensor shift IS on it?
Yes, that's the 'real' stabilization that it has. Their ads refer to it as having 'sensor shift stabilization' as well as 'digital image stabilization'. The first is a good thing. The second is only marketing-speak for using higher ISO and shutter speed. There is no actual technology being employed in the latter claim. I take umbrance with their web site statement of "Dual Image Stabilization eliminates blur." Eliminates is a pretty strong claim.
 

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