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We discussed this before, but now we have some newer information today.

Olympus just announced a camera that boasts an ISO setting of ten thousand at 3MP, that you can read about at Dpreview (the Olympus FE-250) And Olympus also apparently has announced that it has a 18x optical zoom digital camera. I'm sure that the other manufacturers will follow suit soon with better ISO settings, megapixels, image quality, and optical zoom etc.

So, what happens when companies create these super all-in-one cameras that do so much, at a low cost. Wouldn't the investment in DSLR cameras go down the tubes for everyone? Is what we hear today from Olympus, more clear reasons why Kodak should continue to stay out of the DSLR market?
 
Long time SLR users with big investments in lenses dont want to hear this, and will trot out loads of reasons why an DSLR will always be the best thing since sliced bread...But, DSLRs are only "just" ahead with IQ and high ISO, and lack other features that we all love

Nikon and Canon have slashed the price of the bodies...its a last ditch attempt to stoke up interest in a technology that will surely be replaced by a new generation of video capable fixed lens cameras, that will make DSLRs look like relics from a bygone age

Thats my opinion, and I am sure I am correct....Kodak would be wasting a huge amount of investment producing a DSLR, its easier for Nikon/Canon...they already have the bodies from film cameras to adapt

Likewise, it is a waste of time developing a camcorder....the new breed will do all that, who will want mini DV tapes ??

Heck I love Sony Minidisc, still use it...but its gone...it was is great....same with the DSLR

Kodak know this....they wont make a DSLR, if they did, it would merely be a re-badged Nikon/olympus for marketing purposes, untill this last flurry of interest passes over
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Vaughan....KodakP880 (my carry round) Sony R1..like this one/Nikon D80/Sony 717 (a fine cam)
 
As I know everything (LOL)...this is what Kodak need to do

The low end P&S market is going too, they will still exist...but stupidly cheap..and often by phones, and PDAs and other low cost devices

DSLR...bad move for Kodak, as that market wont last....SO, that leaves really excellent fixed lens cameras that do hi-def video as well

several killer versions of the P880 type concept, that produce great stills, have live preview on a big hi def LCD....and maybe even an optical viewfinder!!...and do good video, see thats what a DSLR cant do...video, and it never will be able to

Another great Kodak idea is the twin lens twin sensor idea from the V cams....develop that further

If Kodak are determined to stay in the camera hardware game (slightly unsure about that)....I am sure this is where the R&D is going...not DSLRs
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Vaughan....KodakP880 (my carry round) Sony R1..like this one/Nikon D80/Sony 717 (a fine cam)
 
There are more diferences then low iso noise.
Good view,lences are just better on dslr,you can change a lens.
And alot more.
Wat I think is thad you have two worlds.
Peaple shooting pictures on vacation,
and peaple shooting more serius.

I have 3 points and shoot,thad shoot good in good conditions.
but thads it.

in bad wether like we have enouch in belgium,an dslr is better.
Digirame said:
Olympus just announced a camera that boasts an ISO setting of ten thousand at 3MP, that you can read about at Dpreview (the Olympus FE-250) And Olympus also apparently has announced that it has a 18x optical zoom digital camera. I'm sure that the other manufacturers will follow suit soon with better ISO settings, megapixels, image quality, and optical zoom etc.
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Digirame said:
So, what happens when companies create these super all-in-one cameras that do so much, at a low cost. Wouldn't the investment in DSLR cameras go down the tubes for everyone? Is what we hear today from Olympus, more clear reasons why Kodak should continue to stay out of the DSLR market?
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Demarren.
Website :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73737307@N00/sets/ Nikon D70s Kodak P880 Canon S3 IS Canon G7 Sony A100
 
I really think it would be great if this happens and DSLR's become a waste of money.Photography should be taken to the masses and be made more popular.It should not be an exclusive club where others are looked down upon.I am sick of going to photography forums where anyone without a DSLR is treated as if they are an incompetent nobody.Alot of these people just like to boast about their equipment and how talented they are.If they even see the word Kodak they ignore you regardless.They are camera snobs!
 
1. DSLR has still better image quality, even if compact goes to maximum. Its because of glass, quality glass (speedy glass). DSLR-camera itself isnt much miracle, but you cant do cheap glass (maybe, if they go mass storage). Problem is also, that one little part (lens, camera, machine) cant do everything the best way (it can do maybe good, but not everything in best quality).

2. Photography itself doesnt need expensive glass. You can be just artistic and with good eye and you can do great photography with whatever camera. But after you discover you do good photographs, you start to think about better camera (and there is nothing wrong about it). If you are good computer scientist, you can do good job with whatever computer, but as (half) professional, you would want the best (or better).

3. Yes, there is deeper photography and there is pets , family pictures (by the way, these last are not bad at all).

4. Of course, virtual world is doing miracles these days, who knows where it will go.

Ahh, good luck. Dont think so much about cameras, just do photos :--)

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P850 + OLY 1.7 TCon, CX7430
 
Digirame said:
Olympus just announced a camera that boasts an ISO setting of ten
thousand at 3MP, that you can read about at Dpreview (the Olympus
FE-250) And Olympus also apparently has announced that it has a
18x optical zoom digital camera. I'm sure that the other
manufacturers will follow suit soon with better ISO settings,
megapixels, image quality, and optical zoom etc.
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The Oly crowd sounds really excited about the annoucements, and its hard to fault them. Compared to the latest releases by Kodak...

CK

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ColoradoKid

http://www.andycliftonandcompany.com
http://windingpathdesign.com/showoff.htm
 
kodakuser said:
As I know everything (LOL)...this is what Kodak need to do

The low end P&S market is going too, they will still exist...but
stupidly cheap..and often by phones, and PDAs and other low cost
devices

DSLR...bad move for Kodak, as that market wont last....SO, that
leaves really excellent fixed lens cameras that do hi-def video as
well

several killer versions of the P880 type concept, that produce
great stills, have live preview on a big hi def LCD....and maybe
even an optical viewfinder!!...and do good video, see thats what a
DSLR cant do...video, and it never will be able to

Another great Kodak idea is the twin lens twin sensor idea from the
V cams....develop that further

If Kodak are determined to stay in the camera hardware game
(slightly unsure about that)....I am sure this is where the R&D is
going...not DSLRs
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Vaughan....KodakP880 (my carry round) Sony R1..like this one/Nikon
D80/Sony 717 (a fine cam)
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err... you don't get those ideas from me, right?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1011&message=21699724
i should've patented them... 8-}
he..he... just kidding... :)

happy snappin'!
-Jr-
 
ColoradoKid said:
The Oly crowd sounds really excited about the annoucements, and its
hard to fault them. Compared to the latest releases by Kodak...
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The OLY specs sound good, but we need to see the image quality (sharpness of lens and lack of noise) to really judge it. 18x is astounding if the quality is there throughout the range. 28mm on the wide-angle end is impressive, too.
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Dave in St. Pete, Florida, USA - P850, P880
 
Did I read the title of this thread correctly?

There is a place for all types of cameras, like there is a place for all types of cars. You buy whatever suits you or what your budget can fit.

Somehow I just dont see all sports photographers dumping their dslrs for digicams. Take away the sensitivity issue which dslrs will always win because of their sensor size. What about processing time, write speed, shutter lag, metering, focussing, ergonomics.

I've owned about 4 kodak digicams in the last few years and currently own a dlsr and a canon digicam. I use the canon when my shots are more casual and not as quality important.

I think the trend is towards more affordable dslr like the N...D40, which will make the prosumer digicam market, where the p880 and g7 are, much more competitive.
 
Agreed about seeing image quality. Phil did say unless the laws of physics have been rewritten, there should be a loss in image quality in order to get to 10,000 iso.
 
Well...its like the old film business... improvements in 110, and APS film ultimately filtered down into 35mm and 120 film stock.....any improvements in small sensors will filter down/up onto the larger sensors so there will always be some advantage somewhere...even if its just a speck of dust on the sensor...it'll hardly effect a bigger sensor, but on a small camera could block out the face of your subject! ;-)
 
Amazing...we agree , DSLRs...yea Ive got one, but there is no way I am buying any more of those stupidly expensive lenses...£650 for a wide angle lens for my Nikon ...nahhh, give it a short while...maybe 2 years, then E-Bay will be littered with Nikon D80s, as users move "up" to the vastly superior video capable compacts

The latest DSLRs shoot 9FPS burst...isnt that almost a Hi def video camera ??...exept, the mechanical shutter has a limit

Shoot high def video with a digicam...then print the bit you want, memory will soon be cheap enough...SLRs yesterdays technology..(IMHO)
jody rondonuwu said:
err... you don't get those ideas from me, right?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1011&message=21699724
i should've patented them... 8-}
he..he... just kidding... :)

happy snappin'!
-Jr-
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Vaughan....KodakP880 (my carry round) Sony R1..like this one/Nikon D80/Sony 717 (a fine cam)
 
I completely agree with Jay. There's room for both in the market place. dslrs are becoming more affordable and opening a new world of photography for many folks. They provide greater user control with the ability to manually focus the lens. In addition the weight factor has been greatly reduced so that many who gave up their slrs because of that very reason, are now returning.

Freeman Paterson wrote the book, Photography for the Joy of It. He writes that we shoot essentially to please ourselves... to create... to give vent to that artistic nature we have. We don't need to feel inferior to anyone else. If I make an image of a mountain scene, while I hope you enjoy it, my primary purpose is to please myself. I'm not as concerned what is hanging around my neck and what others are thinking. If the forum you're in expresses such an attitude, my feelings would be to find another forum. All the best.
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Happy Snappin'
James
DX7590

 
I can't say I follow the reasoning here.

At the end of the day, the most important part of any camera, other than the person holding it, is the glass. And an SLR or other interchangable lens system enables the hobbyist to accumulate the glass he or she wants over time, while allowing the electronics can continue to evolve (presumably at today's breakneck speed). Ultimately it makes much more sense to me to snag a new, better body every three years or so than replacing the whole works.

Now that dSLR prices are slipping into the $500 range, expensive prosumer "do-all" cameras are marketplace orphans. Who, for instance, wants to buy a big, heavy and expensive Sony R1 with its wonderful and huge Zeiss lens, only to watch the electronics become obsolete? Sony's already voted--buying an actual camera company, rebadging its cameras and lenses, and dropping the R1 like a hot rock.

I feel fortunate to have acquired my 880 as a super first digicam at a reasonable price, but I'm not queuing up for its replacement (in the unlikely event there should be one). Even with a host of incremental improvements, it's not going to be the equivalent of an SLR and two or three lenses of my choosing. At the end of the day there's only so much you can do with that small chip, and as you upsize the chip your glass becomes larger and more expensive, and no longer a candidate for fixed-lens status.

ISO 10000 is just a marketing number--and only that--as is an 18X zoom. I have a hunch that nobody is going to be especially pleased with the results of either device.

Much better would be an f/ 1.4 lens with a clean ISO 2400!

--Rick
Digirame said:
We discussed this before, but now we have some newer information
today.
Olympus just announced a camera that boasts an ISO setting of ten
thousand at 3MP, that you can read about at Dpreview (the Olympus
FE-250) And Olympus also apparently has announced that it has a
18x optical zoom digital camera. I'm sure that the other
manufacturers will follow suit soon with better ISO settings,
megapixels, image quality, and optical zoom etc.

So, what happens when companies create these super all-in-one
cameras that do so much, at a low cost. Wouldn't the investment in
DSLR cameras go down the tubes for everyone? Is what we hear today
from Olympus, more clear reasons why Kodak should continue to stay
out of the DSLR market?
Click to expand...
 
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