Choosing zoom for 30d down to 3 picks

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Hey Everyone,

Thnx for all the advice thus far but I require more input to help me decide on a zoom.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM - $2100 canadian
Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM - $1709 canadian
Canon EF 70-200 f/4L IS USM - $1,349.00 canadian

Im also still pondering:

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM - $750 canadian
 
Hey Everyone,

Thnx for all the advice thus far but I require more input to help
me decide on a zoom.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM - $2100 canadian
Do you need f/2.8 over f/4?
Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM - $1709 canadian
Do you need 400 over 300 or 200?
Canon EF 70-200 f/4L IS USM - $1,349.00 canadian
Is f/4 sufficient over f/2.8?
Im also still pondering:

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM - $750 canadian
Do you need 300 over 200? Is f/5.6 fast enough over f/2.8 or f/4?

You must first think about what you need. If you don't know what you need, you probably don't need anything at all.

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You should reed before giving this kind of "smart" answers. Nobody said he "needed" something.

If you consider your life, you will find out that we do not need a lot at all...

(a toothbrush and a pair of undertrousers seems sufficient the most smart guys amoungst us....)

to answer to the original post:

I would suggest : look at what weight, and what size of lens you are willing to haul with you.

In another thread, about a wish-list for lenses, there were people asking for lighter and more compact lenses.

The best lens in your row might be the 70-200 F4, the F2.8 is far bigger and more heavy and needs to be stopped down to F4 to get sharper.
The 70-300 is black and lighter, but less solid.

You even could add the 70-300 IS DO lens on your list: slower, with the weight of a 70-200F4, but needs some PP. But: black and only 10 cm long. That was my choice (my need....).

Happy hesitating!
You must first think about what you need. If you don't know what
you need, you probably don't need anything at all.

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Thanks for looking
 
I don't know about you, but when I got my first SLR, I bought lenses for reasons like "OK, now I should get a telephoto zoom" without really knowing why or for what purpose. I would buy lenses and realize later that I needed different lenses for the things I wanted to shoot. So I would end up selling lenses I purchased based upon a lack of understanding of what I needed and lost money. I thought buying for need was sound advice. Guess not.
You should reed before giving this kind of "smart" answers. Nobody
said he "needed" something.

If you consider your life, you will find out that we do not need a
lot at all...
(a toothbrush and a pair of undertrousers seems sufficient the most
smart guys amoungst us....)
to answer to the original post:

I would suggest : look at what weight, and what size of lens you
are willing to haul with you.
In another thread, about a wish-list for lenses, there were people
asking for lighter and more compact lenses.
I don't know anything about other threads, but in this one, the OP didn't mention anything about what he shoots.
The best lens in your row might be the 70-200 F4, the F2.8 is far
bigger and more heavy and needs to be stopped down to F4 to get
sharper.
Most lenses are sharper when stopped down, but the 70-200 f/2.8 is plenty sharp wide open.
The 70-300 is black and lighter, but less solid.
You even could add the 70-300 IS DO lens on your list: slower, with
the weight of a 70-200F4, but needs some PP. But: black and only
10 cm long. That was my choice (my need....).
Is the color of a lens an issue?
Happy hesitating!
You must first think about what you need. If you don't know what
you need, you probably don't need anything at all.

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Thanks for looking
 
IS and sharpness of course, the 70-200f4IS. Throw in a 1.4TC also.
Compactness and lower weight is a plus in my books.
 
Sounds like allot of people like the 70-200/f4 IS.

Hmmm.. happy hesitation? LOL :D
 
I think that the 70-200 F4 could be a good starting point: decently priced and very sharp. From there, one can decide: do you want the 100 mm extra range of a 70-300? Do you need faster (indoor sport pictures? theatre?) or would you prefer smaller, or lighter?

Do you really need the highest quality ? (well, need, need....)

A tamron 18-200 goes up to 200 mm too! There is even a tamron 28-300 and a tamron 18-250 or so coming.

The 70-300 do is expensive, but very nice. The 70-200F4 + TC1.4 would bring the same quality at nearly 300mm (280), i suppose, but you would have the length of the lens (20 cm) + the converter , you would loose the instant 70 mm and you would thus have to change more often lenses (dust, dust!).

Today i shot my first bird at 300 mm, not very good. My 15 y old son laughed, and showed me his picture, made with a P&S olympus (that he surely NEEDS), nearly the same picture, bird at the same size (115 mm equvalent...).

I never knew he pictured birds. When asked how he did it, he said he just crept over the ground close to the birds, and while laying on the ground, took them from close distance.

It happened before, when i was trying to shoot a lizard in the Canary islands, with a telescope. Took me 30 minutes for a lousy picture. He explained me that when he tappered slightly on the little roof where the lizard was hiding, it came to see where the vibration comes from, and the lizard actually touched his fingers.....

So, what do we need, a lens ????? LOL

Happy hesitating.

Tim
 
In my mind, the key question is: Do you need to be able to shoot in low light? I do a lot of indoor sports, so I use the 70-200 f/2.8L IS. It is somewhat heavy, but it is the best in the range. If you need low light capabilities, forget about anything other than this lens.

If you don't need to shoot in low light, you need to consider questions of range, weight, etc. I don't own any of the other lenses in question, so I can't really say much about them.
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM - $2100 canadian
Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM - $1709 canadian
Canon EF 70-200 f/4L IS USM - $1,349.00 canadian
Im also still pondering:

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM - $750 canadian
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I agree with the low light issue

I had the 70-200 f4L (non IS)
Great Quality but...... it is blown away by my new Favorite toy (70-200f2.8L IS)

Yes there are time I wish for a lighter lens

But I can always add a 1.4 and still have decent light fast AF and more reach (f4 was hit and miss)
I can almost always have enough light to shoot (w/2.8)
And 70-200 is a great range for me

I use the 70-200 more than any other lens and the 2.8 adds shots that i had to let slide (moving subject blur)

I have the 400 for my long stuff. So I dont need the 70-300IS or 100-400L IS

Indoors or sprorts and especially indoor sports the 2.8 is a must. For wildlife the 2.8 is nice b/c you can shoot earlier in the AM and later in the PM (and stop motion)

If you can afford the 2.8 do it. Or if not buy the f4.0 IS and never shoot a 2.8 lens. Once you use a 2.8 or faster you will want 2.8 everything. I had 17-40 f4L and 70-200 f4L (both great lenses) and now I am 2.8 all the way. For me the benifit is stoped motion in lower light and more time to get my wildlife pics w/o blur.

Go L
it's the best
I know people dont like it because it is a ton of $$$$ but it is the best IMHO.

And make sure you get out and use whatever you buy

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Dave M. Shumway
http://www.Rocky.edu/~shumwayd
 
yeah, but today i used what i have, and someone sends me with a toothbrush into a cave...

Btw, the 1.4 kilo lens, do you take it with you on traveling?
These kind of weight tmo is more for professionnal/semi pro use.
 
People have very different tolerances with weight. This is really up to each person. I can tell you that I have no problem bringing my 2.8 IS anywhere. Others have problems with even lighter gear. What works for one person does not work for someone else.
yeah, but today i used what i have, and someone sends me with a
toothbrush into a cave...

Btw, the 1.4 kilo lens, do you take it with you on traveling?
These kind of weight tmo is more for professionnal/semi pro use.
 
SIGH....

Yea I know the whole 2.8 argument... its the reason I picked up the 17-55 f2.8 is... and I FREAKING LOVE IT...

Also, dont want to be overburdened by the size... Im going to check out all my prospects on Friday, see how they feel on my 30d.. then I will decide. Im the mean time, any further input is REALLY appreciated :D
 
I can tell you that the 70-200 2.8 IS on the 20D takes some getting used to as it changes the balance a lot. It feels strange to put on a small lens after having the 70-200 on for a while.

I hear the battery grip helps some, but I dont have one.
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Hi Dave

This is exactly the ploblem that I have as well the first....Nice Lens was the 70-200 2.8 NON IS and I can atest to its greatness, it is simply superb.

Now I have this Photography addiction that needs to be fed. It is worse than a drug addiction very costly like a drug dependancy, and causes severe depression when not satisfied.

Cheers

Shane
 
Yea I know the whole 2.8 argument... its the reason I picked up the
17-55 f2.8 is... and I FREAKING LOVE IT...
that calls for the 70-200 f/2.8.
Also, dont want to be overburdened by the size...
... and that calls for the 70-200 f/4. i'd say it's between those two; the 100-400 seems too big AND too slow, by what you've said. best wishes!

-v
 
Yea I know the whole 2.8 argument... its the reason I picked up the
17-55 f2.8 is... and I FREAKING LOVE IT...
that calls for the 70-200 f/2.8.
Also, dont want to be overburdened by the size...
... and that calls for the 70-200 f/4. i'd say it's between those
two; the 100-400 seems too big AND too slow, by what you've said.
best wishes!

-v
I tend to agree with you.. Im leaning towards the 70-200 f2.8, however I cant help think Ill miss out on some of the reach of the 100-400.

Ive also been pondering the 70-300 IS.... I know its not in the same league as the others... but Im keeping an open mind
 
I don't know about you, but when I got my first SLR, I bought
lenses for reasons like "OK, now I should get a telephoto zoom"
without really knowing why or for what purpose. I would buy lenses
and realize later that I needed different lenses for the things I
wanted to shoot. So I would end up selling lenses I purchased
based upon a lack of understanding of what I needed and lost money.
I thought buying for need was sound advice. Guess not.
I agree with you Ben. I've been through SEVERAL zooms until I realized what was important to me, and how certain needs took prority over other needs. In the perfect world I'd want a 70-300mm f2.8 that weights 3 pounds or less, but hey, the world's not perfect.

After owning the Sigma 70-300 APO (crappy), the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 (great quality, no IS, HEAVY as hell), the Canon 200mm f/2.8 (no flexibility for the type of telephoto shooting I do) I FINALLY decided on the 70-300 IS DO with USM/FTM. Nice size, portable and great quality. Then I bought a used 135L f/2 for shooting theatre (my daughter takes acting classes and workshops) for those low-light scenarios - and it's the perfect focal length for it.

What OTHERS tell you to get isn't what YOU need. Think of what you want to shoot with it, how often you'll use it, if weight/portability is an important factor, and narrow down from there. The differences between the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS and the Canon EF 70-300/4-5.6 IS USM are fairly significant.

Amy
 
Okay so we are down to:

Canon EF 70-200 f/4L IS USM
and
Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS USM

From all accounts that Ive read, the f/4 version is "newer" glass along with a "newer" IS system over the f2.8

Anyone want to comment on that?
Is what Ive been reading essentially true?
Anyone have a head to head comparison of the two lenses?
 

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