another photo (noise)...

Thjanks Gaylon
Hope this works. I've got some really PRETTY pics w/a lot of noise :(
Anyway... should I set the sharpness to soft or normal?
Jennie
I hope that this will help
Gaylon Janes
I didn't do a thing to it
orginal size
SHQ- F8 shutter 125
2 studio strobes w/umbrellas

Let me know what you think
when I ZOOM into this photo i find it to be very pixeled.... and
noisey

Jennie
http://www.babycakesphotography.net

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/medium.jpg
--
Murph
Here is the link to the full size image Jennie posted:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/original

Jennie -- was this also shot with your camera sharpness set on
hard? My guess would be yes. I've never gotten skin texture like
that using either normal or soft sharpening.

--
Joe-TN

http://www.pbase.com/joe_tn/shared_photos
--
Murph
--Murph
 
Jennie:

Some quick comments:

1. Not sure if you really needed f8.0 for this shot. Try between F6.0 and F7.0, where you should get even more detail (believe me).

2. NEVER, EVER set you sharpness to HIGH. I strongly recommend to set to LOW (minimal sharpening artifacts) and less noise being sharpened too. Then, in Photoshop, you can sharpen with "finesse", the way your camera will never be able to do it.

3. Use NORMAL contrast. I was too strict about setting contrast to LOW, but I am getting excellent results with Contrast set to NORMAL, and sharpening to LOW.

4. For max quality, no TIFF, no 2.7 SHQ, etc. RAW (ORF) is probably the only way to go. Even at higher ISO speeds it is a blessing. More post-processing work, but it is worth it.

Kindest regards,

Ferenc
I didn't do a thing to it
orginal size
SHQ- F8 shutter 125
2 studio strobes w/umbrellas

Let me know what you think
when I ZOOM into this photo i find it to be very pixeled.... and
noisey

Jennie
http://www.babycakesphotography.net

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/medium.jpg
--
Murph
Here is the link to the full size image Jennie posted:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/original

Jennie -- was this also shot with your camera sharpness set on
hard? My guess would be yes. I've never gotten skin texture like
that using either normal or soft sharpening.

--
Joe-TN

http://www.pbase.com/joe_tn/shared_photos
--
Murph
 
One of the problems with raw is that you can't easily switch to and from it.... Change your camera to download mode (the squiggly line) and turn on the menu. On the bottom menu item choose raw on and press OK. Change back to whichever mode you usually use (M or A). TIFF should be flashing on the panel. You can't change out of raw mode without going through all of this again.

The other big pain is that it takes a long time to load into PS. Also, you get no preview until you actually choose a file and click load. When you are there, choose the third option and click on something grey in the picture (if no grey, choose white or black or don't choose anything if there is no pure grey/white/black).

At first I didn't like raw mode because it seems like such a pain. After playing with it for a while, however, I won't go back.

Too much of an answer?
Jennie
Jeannie
Looks noisy to me as well. I have found with my E-10 (following
advise posted throughout this forum) that the contrast and
sharpening settings are best set to low (especially if I plan to
post edit/process). I use PS 6.0. The E-10 manual suggests low
settings as well (pages 106, 107). You should also set camera
resolution 2240 x 1680 and compression 2.7 or use TIFF. Best of
luck.
Mike
--
Murph
--
Murph
 
THANK YOU!!! I appreciate your nice comments...

Okay.. well, someone told me to try setting my F to 8 so that was a BIG mistake. Now i will try it at F6 or F7. When I meter my lights though.. what would my "fill" be then??? The same as my main? Sorry... i am getting super confused now

I will ALSO change my Sharpness to soft? or normal?
and contrast to normal.

In the RAW mode.... how many shots can you take before buffer is full? that is the 1 prob. with the E10 and the work I do... i need to be able to take A LOT more pics in a row then 4 or so...

Thanks SO mch
I'll try all of this

PS: how is the new baby?
Jennie
Some quick comments:

1. Not sure if you really needed f8.0 for this shot. Try between
F6.0 and F7.0, where you should get even more detail (believe me).

2. NEVER, EVER set you sharpness to HIGH. I strongly recommend to
set to LOW (minimal sharpening artifacts) and less noise being
sharpened too. Then, in Photoshop, you can sharpen with "finesse",
the way your camera will never be able to do it.

3. Use NORMAL contrast. I was too strict about setting contrast to
LOW, but I am getting excellent results with Contrast set to
NORMAL, and sharpening to LOW.

4. For max quality, no TIFF, no 2.7 SHQ, etc. RAW (ORF) is probably
the only way to go. Even at higher ISO speeds it is a blessing.
More post-processing work, but it is worth it.

Kindest regards,

Ferenc
I didn't do a thing to it
orginal size
SHQ- F8 shutter 125
2 studio strobes w/umbrellas

Let me know what you think
when I ZOOM into this photo i find it to be very pixeled.... and
noisey

Jennie
http://www.babycakesphotography.net

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/medium.jpg
--
Murph
Here is the link to the full size image Jennie posted:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/original

Jennie -- was this also shot with your camera sharpness set on
hard? My guess would be yes. I've never gotten skin texture like
that using either normal or soft sharpening.

--
Joe-TN

http://www.pbase.com/joe_tn/shared_photos
--
Murph
--Murph
 
Jennie:

I am no professional and still learning. I do know that when I have my camera set on hard for the contrast and added more sharpness the pictures don't come out very good. I haven't played around with the camera set on solf, will try that next.
How long have you had your camera? I know that there is a lot to learn.
Gaylon Janes
I hope that this will help
Gaylon Janes
I didn't do a thing to it
orginal size
SHQ- F8 shutter 125
2 studio strobes w/umbrellas

Let me know what you think
when I ZOOM into this photo i find it to be very pixeled.... and
noisey

Jennie
http://www.babycakesphotography.net

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/medium.jpg
--
Murph
Here is the link to the full size image Jennie posted:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/original

Jennie -- was this also shot with your camera sharpness set on
hard? My guess would be yes. I've never gotten skin texture like
that using either normal or soft sharpening.

--
Joe-TN

http://www.pbase.com/joe_tn/shared_photos
--
Murph
--
Murph
 
BTW.. should my shutter speed be at 125? I was told by a professional that that is what it should be set at... let me know, Jennie
Okay.. well, someone told me to try setting my F to 8 so that was a
BIG mistake. Now i will try it at F6 or F7. When I meter my
lights though.. what would my "fill" be then??? The same as my
main? Sorry... i am getting super confused now

I will ALSO change my Sharpness to soft? or normal?
and contrast to normal.

In the RAW mode.... how many shots can you take before buffer is
full? that is the 1 prob. with the E10 and the work I do... i need
to be able to take A LOT more pics in a row then 4 or so...

Thanks SO mch
I'll try all of this

PS: how is the new baby?
Jennie
Some quick comments:

1. Not sure if you really needed f8.0 for this shot. Try between
F6.0 and F7.0, where you should get even more detail (believe me).

2. NEVER, EVER set you sharpness to HIGH. I strongly recommend to
set to LOW (minimal sharpening artifacts) and less noise being
sharpened too. Then, in Photoshop, you can sharpen with "finesse",
the way your camera will never be able to do it.

3. Use NORMAL contrast. I was too strict about setting contrast to
LOW, but I am getting excellent results with Contrast set to
NORMAL, and sharpening to LOW.

4. For max quality, no TIFF, no 2.7 SHQ, etc. RAW (ORF) is probably
the only way to go. Even at higher ISO speeds it is a blessing.
More post-processing work, but it is worth it.

Kindest regards,

Ferenc
I didn't do a thing to it
orginal size
SHQ- F8 shutter 125
2 studio strobes w/umbrellas

Let me know what you think
when I ZOOM into this photo i find it to be very pixeled.... and
noisey

Jennie
http://www.babycakesphotography.net

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/medium.jpg
--
Murph
Here is the link to the full size image Jennie posted:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/original

Jennie -- was this also shot with your camera sharpness set on
hard? My guess would be yes. I've never gotten skin texture like
that using either normal or soft sharpening.

--
Joe-TN

http://www.pbase.com/joe_tn/shared_photos
--
Murph
--
Murph
--Murph
 
Yah Kinda...
a little confused
BUT thanks for your help!

So, are you saying IF i shoot in RAW mode, I can't see the photo i just took in the display screen?

Jennie
The other big pain is that it takes a long time to load into PS.
Also, you get no preview until you actually choose a file and click
load. When you are there, choose the third option and click on
something grey in the picture (if no grey, choose white or black or
don't choose anything if there is no pure grey/white/black).

At first I didn't like raw mode because it seems like such a pain.
After playing with it for a while, however, I won't go back.

Too much of an answer?
Jennie
Jeannie
Looks noisy to me as well. I have found with my E-10 (following
advise posted throughout this forum) that the contrast and
sharpening settings are best set to low (especially if I plan to
post edit/process). I use PS 6.0. The E-10 manual suggests low
settings as well (pages 106, 107). You should also set camera
resolution 2240 x 1680 and compression 2.7 or use TIFF. Best of
luck.
Mike
--
Murph
--
Murph
--Murph
 
4 months now..
Jennie
I hope that this will help
Gaylon Janes
I didn't do a thing to it
orginal size
SHQ- F8 shutter 125
2 studio strobes w/umbrellas

Let me know what you think
when I ZOOM into this photo i find it to be very pixeled.... and
noisey

Jennie
http://www.babycakesphotography.net

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/medium.jpg
--
Murph
Here is the link to the full size image Jennie posted:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/original

Jennie -- was this also shot with your camera sharpness set on
hard? My guess would be yes. I've never gotten skin texture like
that using either normal or soft sharpening.

--
Joe-TN

http://www.pbase.com/joe_tn/shared_photos
--
Murph
--
Murph
--Murph
 
Hi, Jennie. I have been reading this thread and have seen your references to the buffer in a few posts. The maximum number of shots that the E-10 buffer can hold is four, no matter what file type you are ultimately saving (i.e. TIFF, SHQ, HQ, SQ or RAW). The reason is that the camera first places a RAW file in buffer in all cases and then converts it to the ultimate format that it places on the memory card. Four RAW files equals a full 32 MB buffer. No way around it. Once the buffer is full, of course, it is true that the larger file types take longer to write from the buffer to the memory card. That may well be a significant factor to you in any case but it is distinct from the question of buffer capacity.

Hope this is helpful.
In the RAW mode.... how many shots can you take before buffer is
full? that is the 1 prob. with the E10 and the work I do... i need
to be able to take A LOT more pics in a row then 4 or so...
--GarryGarry's Page: http://www3.mb.sympatico.ca/~gschaef
 
...if you are avoiding slight blurs caused by sudden movements of the subjects you are framing. Believe it or not, I use Shutter @1/60-1/80, F 4.0, Flash Comp. +0.something, M mode, Sharpening LOW, Contrast HIGH for all my subject pics (people, groups, etc.). I use these settings with either my on-board flash or the FL-40, always in full TTL, of course, including bouncing when ceiling reflection allows me to get it.

My subject pics. come crisp, clear, with quiet acceptable noise levels (Standard Deviation of Luminance around 2.2, ISO 80 JPG and 1.8, ISO 80 RAW).

In regards to RAW (.ORF), you will have a 11.5 secs lag (with rec preview off), from pic-to-pic once your buffer is full. It seems long, but the actual transfer speed is around 620 Kbytes/sec, which is the highest possible troughput that I know the E10's CF port is capable of (much higher than .JPEG or .TIFF). Stochastically speaking, if you are going to be shooting every 6-8 secs, in average, you may never find your buffer full. If you are going to shoot at a higher rate, then, I told you so...

Last but not least: SHARPENING to LOW, and CONTRAST to NORMAL. You may also consider a warmer white-balance setting for better skin colors (please, experiment).

Kindest regards,

Ferenc
Okay.. well, someone told me to try setting my F to 8 so that was a
BIG mistake. Now i will try it at F6 or F7. When I meter my
lights though.. what would my "fill" be then??? The same as my
main? Sorry... i am getting super confused now

I will ALSO change my Sharpness to soft? or normal?
and contrast to normal.

In the RAW mode.... how many shots can you take before buffer is
full? that is the 1 prob. with the E10 and the work I do... i need
to be able to take A LOT more pics in a row then 4 or so...

Thanks SO mch
I'll try all of this

PS: how is the new baby?
Jennie
Some quick comments:

1. Not sure if you really needed f8.0 for this shot. Try between
F6.0 and F7.0, where you should get even more detail (believe me).

2. NEVER, EVER set you sharpness to HIGH. I strongly recommend to
set to LOW (minimal sharpening artifacts) and less noise being
sharpened too. Then, in Photoshop, you can sharpen with "finesse",
the way your camera will never be able to do it.

3. Use NORMAL contrast. I was too strict about setting contrast to
LOW, but I am getting excellent results with Contrast set to
NORMAL, and sharpening to LOW.

4. For max quality, no TIFF, no 2.7 SHQ, etc. RAW (ORF) is probably
the only way to go. Even at higher ISO speeds it is a blessing.
More post-processing work, but it is worth it.

Kindest regards,

Ferenc
I didn't do a thing to it
orginal size
SHQ- F8 shutter 125
2 studio strobes w/umbrellas

Let me know what you think
when I ZOOM into this photo i find it to be very pixeled.... and
noisey

Jennie
http://www.babycakesphotography.net

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/medium.jpg
--
Murph
Here is the link to the full size image Jennie posted:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/original

Jennie -- was this also shot with your camera sharpness set on
hard? My guess would be yes. I've never gotten skin texture like
that using either normal or soft sharpening.

--
Joe-TN

http://www.pbase.com/joe_tn/shared_photos
--
Murph
--
Murph
--
Murph
 
Thanks.. I will have to give this a try...
i'll let you know how it goes...
Jen
My subject pics. come crisp, clear, with quiet acceptable noise
levels (Standard Deviation of Luminance around 2.2, ISO 80 JPG and
1.8, ISO 80 RAW).

In regards to RAW (.ORF), you will have a 11.5 secs lag (with rec
preview off), from pic-to-pic once your buffer is full. It seems
long, but the actual transfer speed is around 620 Kbytes/sec, which
is the highest possible troughput that I know the E10's CF port
is capable of (much higher than .JPEG or .TIFF). Stochastically
speaking, if you are going to be shooting every 6-8 secs, in
average, you may never find your buffer full. If you are going to
shoot at a higher rate, then, I told you so...

Last but not least: SHARPENING to LOW, and CONTRAST to NORMAL. You
may also consider a warmer white-balance setting for better skin
colors (please, experiment).

Kindest regards,

Ferenc
Okay.. well, someone told me to try setting my F to 8 so that was a
BIG mistake. Now i will try it at F6 or F7. When I meter my
lights though.. what would my "fill" be then??? The same as my
main? Sorry... i am getting super confused now

I will ALSO change my Sharpness to soft? or normal?
and contrast to normal.

In the RAW mode.... how many shots can you take before buffer is
full? that is the 1 prob. with the E10 and the work I do... i need
to be able to take A LOT more pics in a row then 4 or so...

Thanks SO mch
I'll try all of this

PS: how is the new baby?
Jennie
Some quick comments:

1. Not sure if you really needed f8.0 for this shot. Try between
F6.0 and F7.0, where you should get even more detail (believe me).

2. NEVER, EVER set you sharpness to HIGH. I strongly recommend to
set to LOW (minimal sharpening artifacts) and less noise being
sharpened too. Then, in Photoshop, you can sharpen with "finesse",
the way your camera will never be able to do it.

3. Use NORMAL contrast. I was too strict about setting contrast to
LOW, but I am getting excellent results with Contrast set to
NORMAL, and sharpening to LOW.

4. For max quality, no TIFF, no 2.7 SHQ, etc. RAW (ORF) is probably
the only way to go. Even at higher ISO speeds it is a blessing.
More post-processing work, but it is worth it.

Kindest regards,

Ferenc
I didn't do a thing to it
orginal size
SHQ- F8 shutter 125
2 studio strobes w/umbrellas

Let me know what you think
when I ZOOM into this photo i find it to be very pixeled.... and
noisey

Jennie
http://www.babycakesphotography.net

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/medium.jpg
--
Murph
Here is the link to the full size image Jennie posted:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1095758/original

Jennie -- was this also shot with your camera sharpness set on
hard? My guess would be yes. I've never gotten skin texture like
that using either normal or soft sharpening.

--
Joe-TN

http://www.pbase.com/joe_tn/shared_photos
--
Murph
--
Murph
--
Murph
--Murph
 
Yes and no. I was refering to PS. When I'm in PS and click on a jpg, I get a preview. With an orf (raw), I don't. At least not until I actual tell PS to import it.

When still on the camera, you only get a thumbnail with raw, you can't do an on-camera preview of the whole picture (you can't zoom in).

I didn't totally understand your original question:
so I just gave a brief run down on using raw. I know it sounds a little confusing, but after you try it, you will see what I mean.
So, are you saying IF i shoot in RAW mode, I can't see the photo i
just took in the display screen?

Jennie
The other big pain is that it takes a long time to load into PS.
Also, you get no preview until you actually choose a file and click
load. When you are there, choose the third option and click on
something grey in the picture (if no grey, choose white or black or
don't choose anything if there is no pure grey/white/black).

At first I didn't like raw mode because it seems like such a pain.
After playing with it for a while, however, I won't go back.

Too much of an answer?
Jennie
Jeannie
Looks noisy to me as well. I have found with my E-10 (following
advise posted throughout this forum) that the contrast and
sharpening settings are best set to low (especially if I plan to
post edit/process). I use PS 6.0. The E-10 manual suggests low
settings as well (pages 106, 107). You should also set camera
resolution 2240 x 1680 and compression 2.7 or use TIFF. Best of
luck.
Mike
--
Murph
--
Murph
--
Murph
 
Maybe out of place, but I just thought of it. Do you close the eyepiece between shots? When I use a tripod I always use a remote to minimize camera shake. Shutting off the eyepiece is very important when your face is not up against it. Even if you are up against it, light can still leak in.

Somebody here once posted a picture taken through the eyepiece. It was a long exposure with the lens cap on. A lot of light can enter through it.

Another clue?
 
I have tried RAW before, not in studio- just playing around at home. I do remember now that I couldn't zoom in on image, but I could see it. The only thing that sucks right now is the buffer is SO small.. and its way embarrassing when Im snapping away, and I can't take another picture and the parents are right there- and I "miss" something
Jennie
When still on the camera, you only get a thumbnail with raw, you
can't do an on-camera preview of the whole picture (you can't zoom
in).

I didn't totally understand your original question:
so I just gave a brief run down on using raw. I know it sounds a
little confusing, but after you try it, you will see what I mean.
So, are you saying IF i shoot in RAW mode, I can't see the photo i
just took in the display screen?

Jennie
The other big pain is that it takes a long time to load into PS.
Also, you get no preview until you actually choose a file and click
load. When you are there, choose the third option and click on
something grey in the picture (if no grey, choose white or black or
don't choose anything if there is no pure grey/white/black).

At first I didn't like raw mode because it seems like such a pain.
After playing with it for a while, however, I won't go back.

Too much of an answer?
Jennie
Jeannie
Looks noisy to me as well. I have found with my E-10 (following
advise posted throughout this forum) that the contrast and
sharpening settings are best set to low (especially if I plan to
post edit/process). I use PS 6.0. The E-10 manual suggests low
settings as well (pages 106, 107). You should also set camera
resolution 2240 x 1680 and compression 2.7 or use TIFF. Best of
luck.
Mike
--
Murph
--
Murph
--
Murph
--Murph
 
Hmmmm in a few shots I may of not been up close to the eye piece
do you mean i need to be tight up against it with my eyeball (lol)??? Jennie
Maybe out of place, but I just thought of it. Do you close the
eyepiece between shots? When I use a tripod I always use a remote
to minimize camera shake. Shutting off the eyepiece is very
important when your face is not up against it. Even if you are up
against it, light can still leak in.

Somebody here once posted a picture taken through the eyepiece. It
was a long exposure with the lens cap on. A lot of light can enter
through it.

Another clue?
--Murph
 

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