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My pleasure, Björn,

The DP1 certainly looks to be one of the most exciting cameras due for launch this year. I hope it lives up to expectations.

Translation tools still have a long, long way to go. They are not good at understanding the context of the piece usually ending up with, as you so elegantly put it, babel fish gobbledygook.

By the way, your 'Tree Erotics' gallery is superb. I've been working on something similar, but you've given me a slightly different way to think about it.
viztyger said:
Thanks for taking the time to translate this, Alex. Language is too
subtle to rely on "babel fish gobbledygook."

Anyway, if the source is reliable, then image stabilisation will
add immensely to the versatility of the DP1.

Greetings from Amsterdam,

Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger

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Alex said:
The DP1 certainly looks to be one of the most exciting cameras due
for launch this year. I hope it lives up to expectations.
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I certainly hope so as well. There's a lot more to a camera than image quality. I'm quite excited by the prospect of having a small and unobtrusive camera with DSLR image quality. I seem to have an aversion to large, bulky cameras...
Alex411840 said:
Translation tools still have a long, long way to go. They are not
good at understanding the context of the piece usually ending up
with, as you so elegantly put it, babel fish gobbledygook.
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Far from perfect, these rough machine translations nonetheless give me partial access to Japanese sites.
Alex411840 said:
By the way, your 'Tree Erotics' gallery is superb. I've been
working on something similar, but you've given me a slightly
different way to think about it.
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Thankyou. If, and when, you have an online gallery, I would very much like to have a look at your photos.

Kind Regards,

Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger

 
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0701/07010501notimagestabilization.asp

I am not sure whether this "IS" is going in the direction you interpret. Sigma mentioned somewhere a software solution for IS. To date, I have not seen any concrete information about what they intend. However, it would surprise me a great deal if they placed mechanical IS into such a small camera. The total thickness with the lens retracted is less than 2 cm iirc.
viztyger said:
Alex said:
It basically says it has some form of image stabilization fitted to
the 'photographic element', presumably the sensor.

The part about the firmware is completely unrelated, just saying
that as it can be updated at a later date you will be able to enjoy
the camera for longer. In other words, cobblers.
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Thanks for taking the time to translate this, Alex. Language is too
subtle to rely on "babel fish gobbledygook."

Anyway, if the source is reliable, then image stabilisation will
add immensely to the versatility of the DP1.

Greetings from Amsterdam,

Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger

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Laurence

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Jane Austen

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http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
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extra features such as IS are needed or required. I think working on the KISS principle is far better....just get me the DP1 as is....I'll do the rest. I dont want anything added that delays the release date...please. Oh yes and before I get hammered for writing off IS this one was a 1/2 second exposure handheld:-)



best
--
Geoff Roughton

'Always look on the bright side life...'
 
ale. You and I know that the best OS systems are built with good British bitter.
Geoff_R said:
extra features such as IS are needed or required. I think working
on the KISS principle is far better....just get me the DP1 as
is....I'll do the rest. I dont want anything added that delays the
release date...please. Oh yes and before I get hammered for writing
off IS this one was a 1/2 second exposure handheld:-)



best
--
Geoff Roughton

'Always look on the bright side life...'
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--
Laurence

My idea of good company is the fellowship of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation and liberality of ideas.

Jane Austen

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com
 
a man after me own heart....next time your my neck 'o woods I'd love to give you a sightseeing tour of the best ale house's in the world. All i got to do is make sure the boss, Shaz, aint about:-)
best
--
Geoff Roughton

'Always look on the bright side life...'
 
I have to go there at the end of February. I thought about going a day or two early to look at the Peak District.
Geoff_R said:
a man after me own heart....next time your my neck 'o woods I'd
love to give you a sightseeing tour of the best ale house's in the
world. All i got to do is make sure the boss, Shaz, aint about:-)
best
--
Geoff Roughton

'Always look on the bright side life...'
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--
Laurence

My idea of good company is the fellowship of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation and liberality of ideas.

Jane Austen

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com
 
Yep I'm there on the Sunday also presenting a panel of shots there as well for an RPS distinction on the day. Nothing like working to a small audience:-) I'll email you.
best
--
Geoff Roughton

'Always look on the bright side life...'
 
Geoff_R said:
extra features such as IS are needed or required. I think working
on the KISS principle is far better....just get me the DP1 as
is....I'll do the rest. I dont want anything added that delays the
release date...please. Oh yes and before I get hammered for writing
off IS this one was a 1/2 second exposure handheld:-)
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Nice shot. Still, IS will only increase the range of situations where you can get a blur-free shot, or not have to rely on increasing the ISO. With a largest aperture of f4, the DP1's lens also isn't that fast. The camera is quite small, and held at arm's length, so it is more prone to camera shake. Yes, there are ways around that - still IS is definitely an asset.

If a situation doesn't call for it, you can always turn it off. As to added delays in the release date, that certainly wouldn't be a good thing. But by this time the decision to include IS or not has probably already been made.
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Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger

 
Seeing as it seems to be built around a Panasonic body, maybe IS would not be a problem to incorporate?





( the top of the flash has the same moldings and shape, dimensions are similar too....but lens is obviously different... )
 
I am quite sure that the DP1 has nothing to do with a Panasonic body. Nothing.

To be honest, I wonder where people get this kind of speculation. Is there any other apparent business connection between the two?
Phil Loughran said:
Seeing as it seems to be built around a Panasonic body, maybe IS
would not be a problem to incorporate?





( the top of the flash has the same moldings and shape, dimensions
are similar too....but lens is obviously different... )
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--
Laurence

My idea of good company is the fellowship of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation and liberality of ideas.

Jane Austen

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com
 
I am quite happy to be wrong, but Laurence, I challenge you to look closely at the cameras, there is a close similarity to the positioning of many things and moldings. The shutter/dial position, speaker, the rear buttons, allowing for space for the zoom buttons...the flash top with the same four cosmetic molded indents.... a coincidence??? I find that hard to believe...

I'll let others make up their minds, but with so many designs bought in/ commisioned, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some deal done with another company... maybe not Panasonic....but someone else... or maybe Sigma had something to do with the Panasonic/Leica design?





http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06092604sigmadp1.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasoniclx2/

 
There is indeed quite a similarity between the two cameras. The size of the back panel is nearly identical. I've scaled the backs of the DP1 and LX1/LX2 using the screen sizes:


Phil Loughran said:
I am quite happy to be wrong, but Laurence, I challenge you to look
closely at the cameras, there is a close similarity to the
positioning of many things and moldings. The shutter/dial position,
speaker, the rear buttons, allowing for space for the zoom
buttons...the flash top with the same four cosmetic molded
indents.... a coincidence??? I find that hard to believe...

I'll let others make up their minds, but with so many designs
bought in/ commissioned, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some
deal done with another company... maybe not Panasonic....but
someone else... or maybe Sigma had something to do with the
Panasonic/Leica design?
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Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger

 
Copying other layouts or looking over someone's shoulder are not the same thing as sharing a body design in the sense of outsourcing. The DP1 at photokina, which is what we are looking at, was much more of a mockup than a final design. In a sense, it was more of a chassis to test components than anything else. Sort of like when Mercedes tests S-line components in a Chrysler pickup just to keep the nosey folks at bay.

Let's see what the final camera looks like. However, I am quite sure that this is not a shared deal.
viztyger said:

Phil Loughran said:
I am quite happy to be wrong, but Laurence, I challenge you to look
closely at the cameras, there is a close similarity to the
positioning of many things and moldings. The shutter/dial position,
speaker, the rear buttons, allowing for space for the zoom
buttons...the flash top with the same four cosmetic molded
indents.... a coincidence??? I find that hard to believe...

I'll let others make up their minds, but with so many designs
bought in/ commissioned, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some
deal done with another company... maybe not Panasonic....but
someone else... or maybe Sigma had something to do with the
Panasonic/Leica design?
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--
Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger

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--
Laurence

My idea of good company is the fellowship of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation and liberality of ideas.

Jane Austen

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com
 
Hi Laurence,

What you say makes a great deal of sense. I guess we can still conclude that Sigma is aiming for a camera with the overall dimensions of Panasonic's LX series cameras. I guess the rather refined styling, especially of the front, lead me to believe the DP1 was more than a mock-up.

Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger


Laurence Matson said:
Copying other layouts or looking over someone's shoulder are not
the same thing as sharing a body design in the sense of
outsourcing. The DP1 at photokina, which is what we are looking at,
was much more of a mockup than a final design. In a sense, it was
more of a chassis to test components than anything else. Sort of
like when Mercedes tests S-line components in a Chrysler pickup
just to keep the nosey folks at bay.

Let's see what the final camera looks like. However, I am quite
sure that this is not a shared deal.
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Seems as similar as my OptioWP. I think we're just dealing with popular layouts.

Of course, I'll start a rumor that it's based on the WP, and it's Waterproof like it also! :)
 
webshark3 said:
Seems as similar as my OptioWP. I think we're just dealing with
popular layouts.

Of course, I'll start a rumor that it's based on the WP, and it's
Waterproof like it also! :)
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Just post your "rumor" on an obscure site, so that I can "discover" it and pass it along. Rumors are always more believable when you can provide the "proof" of a link.

Cheers,

Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger

 
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