XD-11 or X-570

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Hi..

I own an SRT-101 I bought in Vietnam in '69 along with the 58mm f/1.4 MC lens. I also own Canon equipment; EOS 3, 5D and a number of L and non L lenses. In the last few months I've gotten the itch to get back in to the manual Minolta mode for B&W photography and have been acquiring MD lenses as recommended by the Rokkor site.

I was just wondering. Which of the two bodies mentioned is considered the best manual Minolta? The Rokkor guy uses both. I fired off an email to him but he hasn't yet responded (probably due to holidays) to my question. What's your opinion?
 
I would say the X-570 simply because it packs more features, such as slow sync flash... I own the entire X-000 series alaong with tons of accesories and would never part with them.

I know.. get both!

btw - I just picked up a vc700 for my 700si this morning for 25 bucks. It's a disease.

Hey shoot some bw! That's a great idea! Move over 7D...

Good luck
 
These are excellent links. I've always wanted an XD-11, just because its a special camera. I haven't bought one because along with my 7D, 3 Maxxum AF film cameras, and old SRT-101, and 1 medium format classic, I have 2 X-570s. For 35mm film manual focus photography, I prefer the X-570s. The links give some of the reasons, primarily:

a. Recommended and set shutter speed in Manual (Because of my AF experience I appreciate having all the needed shooting info in the VF so I can make changes without moving the camera from shooting position),

b. TTL Off-the-film flash with the P flashes, (including the 80-PX ring flash)

c. Bright VF (much nicer than my SRT, but not as nice as my Maxxum 7),

d. All those accessories I wanted when I couldn't afford them (motor grip, control back, power flash bracket)

I have one camera with the standard split image VF (great with wide to long normal lenses and in low light with the f/1.4 lenses) and the other with the matt-grid (no focusing aid- great for long lenses (where the split goes dark) and for macro where I don't want the VF blocked).

I also like the right side (grip side) of the X-570 better than the flat side of the XD-11 (or SRT), although it isn't as nice as the grips on AF cameras.

Tom
 
For straight sex appeal ( hey it's a sexy camera) solid feel and fun get a XD-11 (5/7). It is my favorite Minolta manual camera. Get the X570, X700 or XGM if you want to shoot in auto modes. Which by the way kinda defeats the purpose in my opinion. I've owned around 14 Minolta manual cameras (no longer) and loved shooting with them, but if I was going to own just one it would be the XD-11.

Mark
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No- get it in blue,LOL!!



Seriously though, I have had to chose just one manual focus body it would be the XD-7/XD-11. And yes, it is sooooo sexy!!
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Nope, just blue although you couldn't tell with all the road salt encrusted on it.
 
I have both of these cameras and it's really hard to recommend one over the other but here's how I'd decide which one to get...

1. If you plan to do a lot of flash photography choose the X-570. It has through-the-lens off-the-film (TTL-OTF) flash metering for more consistent flash exposure. TTL-OTF isn't perfect but you should know the pitfalls of using automatic flash systems anyway.

2. If you like adjusting shutter speeds in autoexposure mode (Shutter-speed priority or S mode), then you choose XD-11. The XD's Shutter-speed priority mode can also be considered a form of full Program AE mode (if you go beyond the shutter-speed limit in S mode, the camera automatically adjusts the exposure for you). Both XD-11 and X-570 have aperture-priority mode and both have good Manual mode metering.

3. If you like to play with multiple exposures, the XD is a better camera to use. On XD, you just press the rewind release button under the camera and wind the film advance lever and you're good to go. On the X-570, you have to keep pressing the rewind button as you wind the advance lever--non-convenient and inconsistent.

4. The first three are the biggest differences I see in these two cameras. Everything else I say here are secondary to me but could be important for you. Feel--XD feels more solid. It should as it's mostly metal. I do think the X-570 isn't any worse than the XD, it just feels lighter.

5. The XD has a metal, vertical traverse focal-plane shutter while the X-570 has a horizontal traverse cloth focal-plane shutter. The sound they make are different but I kinda like both. One would think the metal shutter is sturdier than a cloth shutter but I have yet to experience problems with either so it probably doesn't matter much. The metal shutter certainly has more potential to be better than the cloth but it doesn't apply here (except for the flash sync speed which isn't all the good either way).

6. Flash sync on XD is about 1/125 (or maybe 1/100?) while the X-570's is 1/60--nothing too special.

7. The 7D has a fully mechanical shutter speed setting (O setting, ~ 1/100 sec). If your camera battery accidentally ran out of juice while shooting and you don't a spare, you can still shoot. Of course, you won't have the benefit of a meter unless you carry an external one.

8. My two XDs both suffer from occasional long delays between pressing the shutter release button and the shutter actually opening up. I think this may have to do with aging electronics (capacitors or whatever). I haven't had this problem with my two X-570s although I'm aware that this model shares a similar problem with the X-700 in that a capacitor that controls the shutter (or has something to do with the shutter and film advance stuff) tends to cr@p out fairly quickly. I have one X-700 die on me after 10-years of torture. I haven't seen any symptoms on my X-570s though.

9. The XD-11 doesn't have AE lock but have an exposure compensation lever. The X-570 doesn't have exposure compensation but does have AE lock.

10. Both cameras have dedicated auto-winders but the X-570 can be used with the MD-1 motor drive allowing you to shoot at up to 3.5 frames per second.

11. The X-570 can use the Multi-function back that gives you intervalometer and long exposure controls. This and number 10 are actually high on my list but unless you have them, they don't do you much good. I also didn't want to rearrange the numbering... :)

All manual Minolta lenses will work on these cameras, some better than others. The MD lens is recommended for XD as it has the lug necessary for accurate S mode metering/exposure but even the older MCs should still work in this mode.

So, having given you all that, I'll let you decide which one to get. Do remember that the first three things I said are pretty much the bottomline (for me). I have both so I don't have your problem. ;)

Cheers!
-Perry
Hi..
I own an SRT-101 I bought in Vietnam in '69 along with the 58mm
f/1.4 MC lens. I also own Canon equipment; EOS 3, 5D and a number
of L and non L lenses. In the last few months I've gotten the
itch to get back in to the manual Minolta mode for B&W photography
and have been acquiring MD lenses as recommended by the Rokkor site.

I was just wondering. Which of the two bodies mentioned is
considered the best manual Minolta? The Rokkor guy uses both. I
fired off an email to him but he hasn't yet responded (probably due
to holidays) to my question. What's your opinion?
 
Thanks all for responding. So far, it looks like I'm going with the XD11. It has the features I want, basically, a solid steel manual camera. If I want more features in a film body I'll use my EOS 3. And, the XD11 is a sexy body.... hehe

So I'm now on a search for a minty XD11... Anyone know where I can get one?

Thanks All.
Happy New Year

Charels
 
Hello, Chuxter31!

Try to get hold of one of the latest versions of the XD7 / XD11. On the latest version the exposure compensation lever is pointing towards the prism. The earlier XD7 / XD11 versions had the lever pointing towards the edge of the camera, making it easy to accidently make an exposure compensation. (On the cheaper XD5's the lever has always being pointing towards the prism.) The very last version of the XD7 / XD11 had the name MINOLTA written in the new style. The first version of the XD7 / XD11 didn't have a green 125 on the shutterspeed dial. A black XD7 / XD11 will stay black for ages because it's not just painted black, - it has got the unique anodized black finish instead.
Regards
 
Hello, Chuxter31!

I'm sorry to say that I don't have any pictures myself to show you the differences between the XD versions, but maybe you can find something of interest here..?

http://www.rokkorfiles.com/XD11.html

Regards
 
If you look at the first and last pic on the link you will see the difference in the restyled logo. The latter logo is what you are looking for.

Mark
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troubleinxs = the trouble one go's through trying to get a unique signin name on any given web site.
 
Ok.. I know what you mean now with the new style logo and exposure compensation lever. I have never seen an XD11 with the new logo but I haven't been looking for an XD11 for very long. All the versions I've seen have the old style 'minolta' logo and both style exposure comp. levers. Guess I'll keep looking. The only place I have been looking is ebay. Know of any other places I can look for one?
 

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