Formula One photography with canon 400d

... the shots are not sharp or most lenses are not? I assume you mean my shots....

If you could possibly determine the sharpness of a lens by looking at a small internet

posted jpg ...you must be joking !!! Maybe I didn't sharpen after I threw out 5.5 million

pixels . Please don't try to evaluate peoples lenses by looking at photos on the net...
simply can't be done.

As for the sharpness of these particular shots... when you pan at 1/125 or slower ...

you sacrifice a bit of apparent sharpness in lieu of a considerably more dramatic background

blur . Any apparent softness would be due to slightly inexact panning or slight motion

blur of the car itself ....not to soft lenses. I know my lenses are super cheap but I've also
learned that better lenses don't always make for better photos.

Tim

I just want to learn photography...
 
What you probably want to do is called panning: The motion object is sharp and the background shows blurry motion. You don't need any special lens to do it, but lot's of practise, practise, practise...

If you want to shoot race cars you likely want to have a longer lens, because you can't get next to the cars. The 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III USM will be fine to get you started ($179.95 at B&H).

You want to shoot in Tv Mode, so you can select the exposure time. What time to select? It depends of the object speed, a race car at high speed will give you already nice pictures at 1/100s, but for a horse in canter you may need to go up to 1/20s. If there's too much light for the aperture of your choice or at all, then you can put a neutral density filter on your lens.

When you hold the camera on the object, try to concentrate at on point of the object, e.g. the race number on the race car or the saddle on a horse, then follow with your lens the moving object, keeping your fixed point at the same spot in the viewfinder. now you can take the image and keep following the object while the shutter is open. You'll recognize that you get better the more you practice it.
Hi I am new to digital SLR's and have just recieved a canon 400d
for christmas, it came with the standard lens 18mm-55mm. I have
brought the new digital photo magazineand have been reading about
how to freeze objects.

it advised me to set the f/numbers (aperture) to the cameras lowest
setting then shoot.The lowest setting i could get was when the lens
was completely zoomed out. Can anyone recommend what lens would be
most suitable for photographing this sport

ideally i need a decent zoom but i also want the cars to be in focus

can anyone suggest what lens or even tips to try to capture the
cars at top speeds.

ATM i am using the 18mm-55mm lens on the av setting with the
aperture set at 3.5

Thank you inadvance
 
you are allso friendly thank you very much i have been practicing on our cats but they have given up on me.. even cat treats wont keep them around anymore LOL
 
Well, I'll still give advice to a Kimi fan, for now, we'll have to see when things heat up in March :) Honestly can't wait to see how both Kimi and Alonso do with new rides. As we've seen recently from other experienced drivers, like JPM, RB, Masa, etc., it takes almost half the season to get used to the new car.

The new Tamron has a Di in the name, the old one doesn't. Both of them have LD and Macro.

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... Ok before all the lens tech weenies jump on me, a good lens will produce better results but the best lens used with a poor technique will produce horrible pictures over a poor lens used correctly.

Panning: A must if the car is moving past you when you are shooting. Here's what I do. Plant your feet in good position parallel to the racing surface or the direction the car is moving. Hold you camera properly left and under lens, right hand on shutter side grip. Pull you arms in tight to your torso and stiff. Now turn only with your torso. Twist toward the direction the car is coming from and pick up the car in you lens. Now twist with the car and softly press the shutter in bursts. I shoot 3 frame burst with my 20D so as to never fill the buffer. Like in golf or baseball follow your twist all the way though.

Metering: Camera in manual. Center Weighted metering. Meter off the gray of the track, take some test shots checking the histogram and adjust as necessary. Now leave it unless the light changes dramatically. (Pit road: Go to AV, set your desired aperture and let the camera do the rest.)

Shutter Speed: To start set it kind of high. Something between 1/500 - 1/1000 depending on light. As you get comfortable with panning slow the shutter down. Try 1/250 and then try slower. The slow the shutter the more motion blur you get from background objects.

Aperture: Set it where it needs to be according to your meter. Obviously opening it up will help you get more shutter speed.

ISO: Up to you but for a good sunny day or over cast day start out at 200. Move up as you need to gain shutter speed.

Focus: Use your center focus point set to AI Servo when shooting the racing actions.

Focusing tip: Set your cameras custom function CF4 to 1. This will move the focus function to the * button on the back of the camera. Why? Well now while in AI Server you can turn focusing on and off by pushing the button. Push and hold while panning with a car. Push and let go while shooting on the pits.

Now to your original question. Lens and Focal Length.

18-55 is going to be too short even if you have a great spot on pit road. Personally I'd suggest something in the 70-200 range for pit road. A wide angle lens is good for some interesting shot angles but most of your driver pics will be done with a telephoto. If I had to choose a second lens for this I'd go with Canons 28-135. It has IS and for the money is a great lens. The shorter range may be more desirable as a walk around in the pits.

Shooting the racing action. You need at least a 70-200 and I often use my 100-400. A fast lens is better, f/2.8 or so but I do just fine at f/5.6 with my 100-400.

Lens sharpness: Well as with anything, the more you spend the better results. I shoot with a 70-200L f/2.8 IS, a 100-400L IS, and a 17-40L f/4.0. I started out with a Sigma 70-300 and the canon 28-135. Now that I have the good glass I'd never go back but you need to buy what you can afford and then learn the limitations of you equipment.

Point is, if you follow the advice above and learn the limitations of your equipment you should get some good results. The more money you can spend the more keepers you’ll get. Some hold true with the bodies. I’ll get more keepers from my 20D then I do with my 300D. If I were to spend more money and by a 1 series body the focusing is so much better I’d get tons more keepers then both my 20D and 300D combined. However, my budget won’t allow me to pick up a 1Ds MkIIn so I have to settle for what my 20D provides. If your budget won’t allow for a 100-400 then you have to settle for what your budget will allow. In ether case, don’t let anyone tell you that you NEED this or that to get acceptable results. Get what you can, except what you get, and as the budget allows get better equipment.

For some reference shots look here: http://www.pbase.com/rkircher/racing I have most of the lenses used in shot info and the mm used is in the exif data. Look this over and you can get an idea of what I commonly use.

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Exactly, panning technique is more relevant than absolute lens sharpness, but also the ability to retain focus.

You had some great shots btw, here's my attempts

1/60 of a second 170mm



1/40 of a second 300mm



1/40 of a second 392mm



The last one is the 400d, the first two 300d, the 400d is easier, alot faster initial focus pickup.

Nigel

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....looks like some similar types of racing to what I shoot here in Georgia.

1/60 ! That's tough to do ... I'm going this weekend to shoot some dirt
track racing at the Ice Bowl 07 event in Talladega , Alabama.

Good shots...

Tim

I just want to learn photography...
 
....looks like some similar types of racing to what I shoot here in
Georgia.
It looked that way from your shots, I like the shorter tracks personally, there's actually 5 or so with an hours drive of me, though I've started dirt bike riding so not watching racing alot lately.
1/60 ! That's tough to do ... I'm going this weekend to shoot
some dirt
track racing at the Ice Bowl 07 event in Talladega , Alabama.
Nice, I really like dirt track, I guess drifting would be good to, but there really is something about a car sideways which makes for a fun day out.

Cheers

Nigel

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