F707 "Killer" OT

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Cubfan wrote:
Specs aren't everything. Wait to see how it really performs.
Exactly! If it performs anything like the 6900 it will sure be sweet. Add the image quality with the fastest auto focus in it's class, 1cm super macro (like the Nikons) standard NiMh AA rechargeable batteries and dual media including microdrive!( No proprietary stuff)...5fps high speed shooting etc...and I think we have a winner.

Time will tell more...worth waiting for,

Bob

--www.pbase.com/mofongoIf you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten.
 
That 15 min VGA movie thingy is pretty neat, dont you think?
Yeah, I like it a lot. But what is uncertain is if those are
continuous minutes of shooting, like we can do with the
S75/S85/F707 or if that is just how much you can put on a given
memory card. I need to check that a bit more closely
increased s/n ratios, I still believe CMOS sensors are the way to go.
On their own merit, the CMOS is inherently more noisy. Where Canon
really has their leverage is that they know how to stomp noise, or
at the very least create the illusion (in the consumer-level
cameras) that the image is without noise. Pretty neat stuff.
Yeah, Sony can take a lesson or two from Canon when it comes
to firmware... correction: upgradeable firmware that is. =)
the D30 and no other manufacturer is even thinking CMOS
at this point in time..... =(
Some would say that it seems that even Canon has abandoned their
own CMOS development --- look at their latest 1D camera.
--
no-no the 1D is a stop-gap measure, the D60 with the full frame CMOS
sensor is the real McCoy due out hopefully soon. If the D60
doesn't drive the price of the D30 down, I don't know what will !!
I wish Canon would hurry up! =)
 
Yeah, Sony can take a lesson or two from Canon when it comes
to firmware... correction: upgradeable firmware that is. =)
I have to say that I'm pretty much you on this one. But like you've said before on many occasions, the chances of this happening in a Sony camera are virtually nil. If we needs this sort of capability for their camera, then we have to look into something else.
no-no the 1D is a stop-gap measure, the D60 with the full frame CMOS
sensor is the real McCoy due out hopefully soon.
D60?? So you think the "French" talk is for real? :)
-- Ulysses
 
Yeah whats up with that? Sounds like a cool camera but the Sensor
is only 3.1MP, I don't think thats exactly an F707 killer. We'll
see eh?
The Canon D30 is only 3.1MP yet the image quality from its CMOS owns every other consumer camera, hands down (at a price). Pixel count isn't everything, what good is 5MP camera if 20% of the pixels captured is "noise".

Don't let the marketing drones feed you megapixel BS.
 
Xed, I'm not sure that I follow you here.

The 602 is likewise a "consumer" camera, whereas the D30 is not.

Do you anticipate that the 602 with its SuperCCD III will begin to approach the D30 in any way? In usable resolution, noise reduction, sharpness?
Yeah whats up with that? Sounds like a cool camera but the Sensor
is only 3.1MP, I don't think thats exactly an F707 killer. We'll
see eh?
The Canon D30 is only 3.1MP yet the image quality from its CMOS
owns every other consumer camera, hands down (at a price). Pixel
count isn't everything, what good is 5MP camera if 20% of the
pixels captured is "noise".

Don't let the marketing drones feed you megapixel BS.
-- Ulysses
 
Because that's the only thing you can predict from the specs. I guess the heavier, harder camera will win. As far as which camera will yeild the best photos, well I think it would be prudent to view some sample pics before any statements are made.
 
I wouldn't want a 6MP CCD on this baby. You notice the lens body is the same as the previous 6900Z? If they put a 6mp CCD onto that lens, you'd get the same problem that plagued the Sony F505v and Canon Pro90 IS.

Then I'd really feel short changed! I'd rather have a 3.1mp CCD on that lens and working right than a 6mp that isn't doing its job fully...

Tigadee
Shay wrote:
I like the features, but wish the 6MP sensor was put on it.

--
Shay - My Sony F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws/
--Tigadeewww.pbase.com/tigadee
 
Matt,

As a former Fuji Finepix 4900Z owner and a very happy current DSC-F707 owner I can say this:

1. Quality of the optics on the Sony is far superior to the Fujinon lens system - it has seemingly survived two generations of cameras without any modification.

2. Unless Fuji have come up with a good low light auto focus assist system, which was my former camera's achilles heel, then you can forget about it.

3. The focusing mechanism on Fujis has always been slow and noisy - not sure if they addressed this issue in the new S602.

4. The interpolated images from the SuperCCD sensor come out very soft and unsharp (and somewhat grainy due to higher ISO speeds)

As a former Fuji owner I must say that I am skeptical about the new camera coming even close to de-throning the 707!
I have noticed on the Fuji forum that some are calling the new Fuji
S602 a F707 "killer". An interesting digicam: 6x optical 4.4x
digital zoom (35-210), ISO 160/200/400
(800/1600 in 1280x960 mode),
640x480 30fps video 15min, shutter to 1/2000, F2.8-11, EVF, dual SM
and CF I/II memory. Too bad the sensor is only 3.1MP (6
extrapolated).

Matt (Happy F707 owner)
 
alwin wrote:

thanks! now I know what to give to my nephew! =)
Are you sure he'll like that Sony F505?...Maybe he will like the colors, kinda like his legos, than next year you can give him your 707. --www.pbase.com/mofongoIf you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten.
 
Well, there you have it.
3. The focusing mechanism on Fujis has always been slow and noisy
  • not sure if they addressed this issue in the new S602.
Noisy? Really?????

Do you still have the camera? Could you take an audio MPEG of its focus noise? The mic on the F707 is so sensitive that I bet it would pick it up easily. :)-- Ulysses
 
Ulysses wrote:

Sure I can but how can I send you or post the result? Any ideas? In one of its reviews, they even mentioned that the focus worked as if it were grinding a gear mechanism!

Ali
Well, there you have it.
3. The focusing mechanism on Fujis has always been slow and noisy
  • not sure if they addressed this issue in the new S602.
Noisy? Really?????

Do you still have the camera? Could you take an audio MPEG of its
focus noise? The mic on the F707 is so sensitive that I bet it
would pick it up easily. :)
--

Ulysses
 
Post your file onto an online album. ImageStation, for example, will allow you to store short videos. That's one of the things I like about them.

They had some problems with their video upload feature last week, but it seems to be working fine now.
Ali
Well, there you have it.
3. The focusing mechanism on Fujis has always been slow and noisy
  • not sure if they addressed this issue in the new S602.
Noisy? Really?????

Do you still have the camera? Could you take an audio MPEG of its
focus noise? The mic on the F707 is so sensitive that I bet it
would pick it up easily. :)
--

Ulysses
-- Ulysses
 
I'll try to do this. Thanks.
They had some problems with their video upload feature last week,
but it seems to be working fine now.
Ali
Well, there you have it.
3. The focusing mechanism on Fujis has always been slow and noisy
  • not sure if they addressed this issue in the new S602.
Noisy? Really?????

Do you still have the camera? Could you take an audio MPEG of its
focus noise? The mic on the F707 is so sensitive that I bet it
would pick it up easily. :)
--

Ulysses
--

Ulysses
 

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