Vote: Who Wants Pentaxs' Firmware Fix?

This JPEG issue has become ridicolous, and I'm starting to think that all those who say that the camera is "designed" to provide "film like", "natural" images are saying it just so that they can feel better. I want "Razor Sharp" photos to match my limited lenses, and I have gotten those ( in my opinion) with the *ist D, DS, and K100. I have had the K10D for a few weeks but haven't had the time to compare yet. Is it really softer than any of the older ones?
If so - just say yes or no - who wants Pentax to try and fix that?
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I have no problem and therefore no need for a fix ;-)

best,
Christian
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You can now goto your menu, and choose "Bright" mode. Check and see if your camera has this latest feature.

Daniel.

I don't think a FW fix is in order... for the JPEG issue

just change the JPEG image processing mode to "BRIGHT" instead of "NATURAL"... and done...

This is why the K100D produces the aforementioned razor sharp JPEGs right out of the box... its set to BRIGHT as its default.
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No.

There, nice and easy, no need to think or reason through anything.

Definitely NO, they've done a perfect job. If you want the same as the K100d which Phil liked then set it to Bright Mode.
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Alberto Battelli said:

This JPEG issue has become ridicolous, and I'm starting to think
that all those who say that the camera is "designed" to provide
"film like", "natural" images are saying it just so that they can
feel better.

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Pentax own designers are saying it. The reason for this is that Natural image tone works best when you post process images. I have learned digital photography workflow, and my teacher said it is best to sharpen the images as the last thing one does - if one wants quality.

If you sharpen the images in the camera first, and then resize, and then sharpen again you will loose detail. When you post process, you don't want upsharpening in the camera.
The Natural image tone was designed for those who post process their images.

Pentax own designers, like Mr Tatamiya (project coordinator of the K10D), says this.
So we haven't invented this in order to "feel better".
This comes directly from Pentax own engineers.

If you want oversharpened images, as many seems to like (but I hate them), then switch the camera to Bright image tone. Natural image tone concentrates on texture and details, Bright image tone sharpens the edges more.

The sharpness, saturation and contrast sliders do work in the Bright image mode.

(they don't on the DS). So, if you find the colours too much you can always tune down the colours, but keeping the upsharpening of the edges.

So I don't understand what Pentax should fix...

My experience with the K10D's images taken in Natural image tone, is that they are clearly more detailed with more depth and texture than images taken in Natural image tone on my *ist DS.

Take care
R

Are there any images out there somewhere showing Bright vs. Natural shots using the same settings (values set to zero)? I have seen a comparison between what may be Natural (with 0 sharpening) and Bright (with +2 sharpening, which look somewhat over-sharpened), but more examples would be nice, especially of material similar to the examples used in Phil's test.

Are there any examples showing how the various modes and values compare with d80, 30d or other cameras?

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dlight check this out.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=21380405
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Yay!

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Alberto Battelli said:

I want "Razor Sharp" photos to match my limited
lenses, and I have gotten those ( in my opinion) with the *ist D,
DS, and K100. I

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What the hell are you talking about???

I also have owned the D, DS and K100d... The D and DS esp the DS had worse JPEGs than the K10d if you wanted ultimate JPEG sharpness.. GO read Phils review of both the D and DS.. If you think they have ultimately sharp JPEGs what makes you think the k10d is worse..

This thread is a waist of time!!!

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Joel - K10D/DS/SFX
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My experience is the same as Roland's (K10D vs DS). You have the option there to change "the problem".

The K100d was tested in bright mode and the K10d was tested in natural mode... try and compare the two modes on each camera.. the different results was simply the mode difference..

But Phil doesn't change mode even if the MANUAL SAYS natural mode is for photos you wish to PP, and Bright is for sharp jpegs that you don't wish to PP....

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Joel - K10D/DS/SFX
http://www.pbase.com/joele

to see for yourself first..... or am I missing something?
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How many people here who are demanding fixes even own the K10D? I don't own the camera yet so my opinion doesn't matter. Still, I will have an opinion to share and maybe suggestions for Pentax when I've had the pleasure of using the K10D. I will not yell fire in a crowded building when someone lights a match.

Larry

No. If you want unnatural, switch to Bright.
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rmarquez said:

No.

There, nice and easy, no need to think or reason through anything.

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--That's just what I was looking for. Thank you.
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Not that I think JPEG "issue" requires a fix.

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... given what I've read as the design goal of the engineers, I'd rather have the K10D as is, with the ability to sharpen the images later.

If I want a point and shoot, sharp out of the camera solution for a quick pic, I'll grab our Canon S200. That's what it's for.

The K10D on the other hand, addresses the creativity issues that I as an advanced amateur am looking for in a camera.

And when I do want a fully auto solution with sharp edges, I can always use Bright Mode.

The engineers that designed the K10D had certain critical goals in mind when they designed the system and the firmware to run it. If a person doesn't like their implimentation, there are other camera makers that suit other purposes.

I'd prefer to have a PHOTOGRAPHER'S camera, rather than an optical computer that does everything for me.

Anyone else?

Tony