San Jose Camera Experience - BE WARNED!

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About a week and a half ago, I purchased a Canon 100mm Macro Lens from San Jose Camera during their "No Tax" sale. Immediately after I bought the lens, I took it outside and inspected it in the sunlight. I noticed that it had a grease spot or a coating imperfection on the front element, and immediately returned to the store. I told the salesperson about the spot, and asked that he take it outside to verify my claim. He said that he believed me, exchanged my lens, and put the lens with the grease spot back on the shelf. Hmmm, ooooookay. I opened the new lens while I was still right there with the salesperson. I noticed immediately that the lens was not wrapped the way that Canon lenses are shipped from the factory. The plastic was extremely crinkly and was twist tied at the end. I mentioned this to the salesperson, to which he said that it's the last Canon 100mm lens that they have. The lens looked new, so I said that I'd give it a try.

I took it home to try with my 30D. I immediately noticed that it had problems achieving focus in various situations. (I should note that I've owned one of these lenses before, and know how they should work.) After about 5 minutes of being in use on the camera, the camera totally locked up, where none of the buttons had any effect. I had to power down the camera to get it to respond again. So back to San Jose Camera, I went.

When I got there, I explained the problem to the salesman. He said that he will issue me a refund. I asked if I could simply wait until they get more lenses in stock so that I could exchange it (since I wanted to take advantage of the no tax deal). He said that they have more lenses in stock, but that the store would not sell another one to me. He said that "I am going through too many lenses and that I am causing the store to lose money." I said "fine." He issued me the refund, AND THEN PUT THE LENS BACK ON THE SHELF WITH THE OTHERS!!!

I have been buying equipment from this store for about 8 years. I have spent about $3k - $4k in this store, over the years, buying Canon camera bodies, Canon lenses, bags, books, film, filters, and other accessories. I never minded spending a little more for certain items, because I appreciated the ability to check things out before buying them. No more. I'm done with this store. I'm telling you this experience so that you are forewarned about the policy of this store, to simply restock defective items and leave it up to the future buyers to see if they notice the problems.

B&H will now be my main source for photo equipment. (I've also been buying equipment from them for at least the past 5 years, and have NEVER had a problem with their customer service. It's always been outstanding. (No, I have no affiliation with them.) I have received several defective items from them, and they were always happy to either exchange it or issue me a refund. It's this type of customer service that will keep me as their loyal customer.

Good riddance, San Jose Camera!

PS: I am double posting this in the Nikon Forum and the Canon Forum, since I shoot with both systems (a D200 with a 105mm VR, and a 30D with a 70-200mm f/2.8L).
 
Their prices are reasonably good for local sale (not comparing with online stores) BUT their service is HORRIBLE. I went there a few times over the years but seldom bought anything there. Most of their sale people are unfriendly. I am not surprised they did what they did.
Dan
 
When I got there, I explained the problem to the salesman. He said
that he will issue me a refund. I asked if I could simply wait
until they get more lenses in stock so that I could exchange it
(since I wanted to take advantage of the no tax deal). He said
Thanks for the heads up. I am going to be in the area next week and was planning to pay a visit to this shop. I'll have to be careful in dealing with them now.

Did the rep even try the defective lens on a demo 30d when you took it back?
that they have more lenses in stock, but that the store would not
sell another one to me. He said that "I am going through too many
lenses and that I am causing the store to lose money." I said
"fine." He issued me the refund, AND THEN PUT THE LENS BACK ON THE
SHELF WITH THE OTHERS!!!
This is really really bad store policy. There are good local shops and there are bad local shops. In all fairness, there are good Internet shops and there are bad internet shops.

I'm currently having problems with several orders bought through an Ebay Store called Amvona.com, but I'll hold on any criticism until I see how they resolve the situation.

Glad you got a full refund though. Happy holidays!

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The rep didn't even look at the lens, much less try it out. I even explained that, when I bought the lens it looked like it had been opened/used before and that the issue I experienced may be why it was previously returned. He didn't care, he just placed it back on the shelf.
 
There's only a 35% chancea for a warm & fuzzy shopping experience at SJ Camera. Half of the salesmen are helpful, but the rest can be pretty arrogant, and you have to know which ones to deal with. I like having a local store, and visit there regularly. They don't compete with Adorama or B&H on lenses, but I found good selections and fair deals on my monopod, tripod, ball heads, and camera bags. Don't let one bad experience chase you away. Just avoid that particular salesman in the future.
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It's true that they charge a premium but it is a store front, after all. They also routinely have things in stock that have been "On Order" at B&H for literally years (metal lens hood for 60mm micro, for example). They have a good selection of Kirk brackets and whatnot in stock as well. The studio store also has seamless paper in stock so you can save a fortune by not paying for shipping.

I guess it all depends on what you are buying. BTW, you are not the only one that likes to "Try before you Buy" so you have to expect that the stuff will have been handled, pehaps by an idiot. If they have to constantly inspect their inventory for mishandling then that is one reason why they need to charge a premium.
-Kent
 
35% chance? That is pretty darn LAME.

Knowing that, you'd have to be pretty desperate to buy from that store. I would probably buy accessories there, but the high $$$ items through more reputable seller.
There's only a 35% chancea for a warm & fuzzy shopping experience
at SJ Camera. Half of the salesmen are helpful, but the rest can
be pretty arrogant, and you have to know which ones to deal with.
I like having a local store, and visit there regularly. They don't
compete with Adorama or B&H on lenses, but I found good selections
and fair deals on my monopod, tripod, ball heads, and camera bags.
Don't let one bad experience chase you away. Just avoid that
particular salesman in the future.
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Warm regards and happy holidays, Uncle Frank



FCAS Founder, Hummingbird Hunter, Egret Stalker
Dilettante Appassionato
Galleries at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank
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James H.
My Gallery: http://jhphoto.smugmug.com
 
35% chance? That is pretty darn LAME.
I screwed up the math. Only half of their salesmen are buttheads. It should be 50%.
Knowing that, you'd have to be pretty desperate to buy from that
store.
It all depends how important "warm & fuzzy" is to you. I like to check out gear without having a salesman shadowing me to hand out gratuitous advice biased by his store's commission structure. The guys at SJ Camera will leave you alone unless you ask for something.
I would probably buy accessories there, but the high $$$ items through more reputable seller.
Hang on. SJ Camera is very reputable. They just have grouchy salesmen. So do Adorama and B&H, if you're a difficult customer.

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Warm regards and happy holidays, Uncle Frank



FCAS Founder, Hummingbird Hunter, Egret Stalker
Dilettante Appassionato
Galleries at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank
 
35% chance? That is pretty darn LAME.
I screwed up the math. Only half of their salesmen are buttheads.
It should be 50%.
Knowing that, you'd have to be pretty desperate to buy from that
store.
It all depends how important "warm & fuzzy" is to you. I like to
check out gear without having a salesman shadowing me to hand out
gratuitous advice biased by his store's commission structure. The
guys at SJ Camera will leave you alone unless you ask for something.
I would probably buy accessories there, but the high $$$ items through more reputable seller.
Hang on. SJ Camera is very reputable. They just have grouchy
salesmen. So do Adorama and B&H, if you're a difficult customer.
"Reputable" by putting the "defective" items back on the self to sell them to the next buyers. NO thank you.
dan
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Warm regards and happy holidays, Uncle Frank



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Galleries at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank
 
Hello:
I have received several defective items from them, and they were always happy to either exchange it or issue me a refund. It's this type of customer service that will keep me as their loyal customer.
Are you so naive?...Where so you think the item you returned to B&H went?...Back on the shelf that's where!!!...It's just that they do such a huge volume with many ill informed users that the odds of getting one of these TRULY defective lenses is rarer...I have positively gotten lenses that were returned and reshelved from B&H because like you I noticed they were packaged just a little different from the norm that comes from the manufacturer...I even tried to register a Canon lens purchased from B&H only to find out it had already been registered...And obviously already returned and re-sold...

Bottom line all retailers reshelve these items unless they are REALLY broke...Visibly broken switch or stuck aperture and they might send it back...Or most likely they finally sell it to someone who doesn't notice soon enough or says to heck with it and sends it in themselves to be fixed...Cosmetic blemishes, FF/BF problem, de-centered element don't qualify as broken to the retailers...The lens boxes aren't sealed for a reason...

Bottom line, they all do it so just deal with....

LW
About a week and a half ago, I purchased a Canon 100mm Macro Lens
from San Jose Camera during their "No Tax" sale. Immediately after
I bought the lens, I took it outside and inspected it in the
sunlight. I noticed that it had a grease spot or a coating
imperfection on the front element, and immediately returned to the
store. I told the salesperson about the spot, and asked that he
take it outside to verify my claim. He said that he believed me,
exchanged my lens, and put the lens with the grease spot back on
the shelf. Hmmm, ooooookay. I opened the new lens while I was
still right there with the salesperson. I noticed immediately that
the lens was not wrapped the way that Canon lenses are shipped from
the factory. The plastic was extremely crinkly and was twist tied
at the end. I mentioned this to the salesperson, to which he said
that it's the last Canon 100mm lens that they have. The lens
looked new, so I said that I'd give it a try.

I took it home to try with my 30D. I immediately noticed that it
had problems achieving focus in various situations. (I should note
that I've owned one of these lenses before, and know how they
should work.) After about 5 minutes of being in use on the camera,
the camera totally locked up, where none of the buttons had any
effect. I had to power down the camera to get it to respond again.
So back to San Jose Camera, I went.

When I got there, I explained the problem to the salesman. He said
that he will issue me a refund. I asked if I could simply wait
until they get more lenses in stock so that I could exchange it
(since I wanted to take advantage of the no tax deal). He said
that they have more lenses in stock, but that the store would not
sell another one to me. He said that "I am going through too many
lenses and that I am causing the store to lose money." I said
"fine." He issued me the refund, AND THEN PUT THE LENS BACK ON THE
SHELF WITH THE OTHERS!!!

I have been buying equipment from this store for about 8 years. I
have spent about $3k - $4k in this store, over the years, buying
Canon camera bodies, Canon lenses, bags, books, film, filters, and
other accessories. I never minded spending a little more for
certain items, because I appreciated the ability to check things
out before buying them. No more. I'm done with this store. I'm
telling you this experience so that you are forewarned about the
policy of this store, to simply restock defective items and leave
it up to the future buyers to see if they notice the problems.

B&H will now be my main source for photo equipment. (I've also
been buying equipment from them for at least the past 5 years, and
have NEVER had a problem with their customer service. It's always
been outstanding. (No, I have no affiliation with them.) I have
received several defective items from them, and they were always
happy to either exchange it or issue me a refund. It's this type
of customer service that will keep me as their loyal customer.

Good riddance, San Jose Camera!

PS: I am double posting this in the Nikon Forum and the Canon
Forum, since I shoot with both systems (a D200 with a 105mm VR, and
a 30D with a 70-200mm f/2.8L).
 
"Reputable" by putting the "defective" items back on the self to
sell them to the next buyers. NO thank you.
Hi, Dan! Knowing those guys, my guess is that putting the lens back on the shelf was the salesman's way of giving PhotoGearJunkie the finger. He probably checked it out as soon as PGJ stomped out of the store.

Anyway, not a problem for me. I don't use Canon lenses ;-).

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Warm regards and happy holidays, Uncle Frank



FCAS Founder, Hummingbird Hunter, Egret Stalker
Dilettante Appassionato
Galleries at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank
 
Hello:

Bottom line, they all do it so just deal with....
What you are describing is like eating out at a restaurant. You may not see it but you know they all pick up the beef pattie that they just dropped on the ground, throw it back on the grill, and serve it to you on a platter.

But, in the OP's case, he actually saw it with his own eyes. The beef being picked up and put right back on the platter to serve to the customers. What you don't know won't hurt you, right? But when you witness it yourself, it really turns your stomach. :-)

--
James H.
My Gallery: http://jhphoto.smugmug.com
 
Many years ago I went in there, waited in line, asked straight up for a Canon 100mm macro lens, cash in my hand. As I was being rung up, the clerk tried to sell me a filter, which I declined. Just as I was about to hand the money across the counter, he said, "It would be really stupid to pay this much for a lens and not get a filter to protect it."

For a moment I weighed the trouble of the drive up to Keeble & Schucat versus the pleasure of retorting that what was really stupid was to say that while I still have the money in my hand and turning around and walking out.

I learned over time that they were just rude louts.

The K&S used Leica and Rollei counters, at some point, were overrun with Japanese tourists, who would just come in and point at things and pay whatever the price was.

With the advent of the internet I started buying everything online and selling my used stuff on Ebay. Then I moved to Montana! :^)
 
After many years and thousands of dollars I've never gotten anything from B&H that looked remotely like a restocked item.
 
I've found some of their salesmen are a bit "snobbish" especially when asking them about accessories for non-pro gear.

I purchased a nice Crumpler Backpack from them most recently w/out issues and a couple of months before that my 12-24mm Tokina. They did ask about a filter and I said I already had one so got no further inquiries into buying one for it.

I do prefer K&S to SJC but mostly because I've met one of the principals there and she always takes care of me whenever I go in there. Not sure about SJC but K&S's sales staff are not comission driven so they don't have any kind of "salesy" mentality.

Their prices are out of this world though so I frequently buy bigger ticket items from other sources online.
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Primary Camera: Nikon D70 & lenses
Backup Camera: Olympus C-8080WZ
 
And you know this from experience, how? I suspect a larger store like B&H either sells it as a "demo" or sends it back. Kind of like the Best Buys of the world. It's a smaller store (or a smaller store in a chain) that gets only one or two items that would be more likely to practice what you're suggesting.

Then again, as I've written here before, one summer when I was killing time working part-time as a photo finisher at a local Ritz (I was slow but my prints were damn good) the sales crew would routinely take out cameras (usually new stock) to shoot some "test rolls." And then sell cameras as new. (Like a camera is "new" after a weekend at the beach.)
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