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PENTAX you idiots....fix theK10D sharpness issue in jpg NOW

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... or I kill the dog !!!
 
Brett St Pierre said:
.. my forum? Where did all you crazy people come from? It's very
disappointing to see the dynamic changed so much around here in
recent weeks (and longer) with so much twaddle and ignorance being
posted. As Pentax has gained more and more success it is inevitable
that things change but where did these stupid attitudes come from?

The wise old heads (and I mean considered intelligence and
photographic knowledge, not age) appear to be hiding in their
bunkers until the mad thrill seekers crash and burn. I can only
assume that the blow-ins with trash talk will move on at some
stage...

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Brett
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Since this thread keeps going anyway, I though I would just post in the sensible branch of it. I was going to ignore these threads, but having seen the expected good sense in Brett's reply make me realise that this part requires as much support as possible! Perhaps the thread will reach 150 sooner that way and the posts by people actually in the game for the sake of PHOTOGRAPHY (remember that OP?) will pervail in it?

In short (for the OP): in-camera sharpening results in unrecoverable loss of detail, post-processing sharpening can be done much better keeping as much as possible the large amount of detail the "soft" Pentax images retain! Don't get a camera meant for photography enthousiasts if you are not one!

I am with Brett in my disapointment about the current spirit in the forum, and I seriously hope that another brand will release an impressively specced camera so that they can go rant over in another forum, and that those crazies who already got them a K10D will sell it soon to some people worth having around here! Though I hope most of you will discover that the K10D is one of the greatest tools around enabling us to enjoy photography in the best possible way! And once you see the light, please share your joy!!!

Wim

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Belgium, GMT+1

 
... would be that I just don´t have the money to get me one of those. And speaking of lenses ... Heck, I even don´t have the time to take my "old" KM A2 at the moment to take some pictures. Maybe I should quit all my multiple forum activities, well no, too much fun. Where else nowadays somebody can roar out his (faked?) frustration so easily, and get therapy or consolation afterwards? Argue pointlessly about tech stuff seems to be the cheap group therapy thing nowadays. But if you want the real deal, join over to the MAC/Microsoft war of the worlds, I´m loving it.

Cheers

PS: I also was frustrated by some quirks and issues of the KM A2, but I learned to deal with them.
 
Dear Robert,

Don't you know any better? You are not allowed to say anything other than the K10D is perfect (particularly with regard to the JPEG's) or you will be labeled king of the trolls.

Regards,

Ted
 
If we compare jpeg of K10D and ist D - we undestand that it's heaven and earth. Jpeg of K10D 2-3 times better than ist D. Film like picture instead digital faces and objects of Nikon and Canon. What I can wonder... It really GOOD.

STOP TO WHEEP AND WHIMPER AND WHINE
 
Yes...The difference of K10D and ist D jpeg is really large...
it does not look soft to me too...
 
e1superman said:
which equals increased color saturation as well == yuck....
increasing sharpness is the point. Why add the extra saturation.
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Just an FYI you can turn down the saturation in that mode... its defult is just set higher but it still has 3 settings below that...

Between Bright/Natural and the rest of the settings the K10D can get around whatever look you want...

even canon

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mike
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mrgphoto/

 
Dear Ted,

Don't you know, you're still way ahead of him! But don't worry, there is ample opportunity for Robert to get ahead if he wishes.

Frank
 
I only shoot jpeg! But then, right now I only have a Canon P&S, so I'm not allowed to shoot RAW. Silly me. Maybe Pentax should remove RAW capability from all its dslr's- clearly it's another one of the extra features on the camera that most buyers won't need, like the weather sealing, the SR, the anti-dust, the program shift, the ISO-based exposure control, and so on.

Frank
 
Dear Frank,

I truly appreciate your sense of humor. If one can't laugh at this whole thing, then one must cry, and I choose to laugh with you. One of the most humerous things is that people think I am trying to bash Pentax when nothing could be further than the truth. I am simply a prospective dSLR buyer that is fact-gathering. I must say that many of the people on this forum make that fact-gathering difficult by calling me "troll", stupid, or whatever because IMO I thought the JPEGs looked blurry and I thought (at least at the time) that that was the main reason why Phil gave a 7.5 for Image Quality.

Regards,

Ted
 
Brett St Pierre said:
Larry DS said:
No matter what, I have yet to be convinced that Pentax doesn't make
great dslrs. I do wish people would try one out for size instead of
just fretting over someones written opinion. There is no substitute
for hands-on usage no matter how indepth the opinion.
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.. that Pentax has started to include some flashy attention getting
features that has drawn in the less discerning mass market buyer
than might normally look at - say - a trashy Canon Digital Rebel (I
wash my mouth out as I say that because it is too low-brow to think
they might be interested in something as fine as a Pentax :-)).

As a result we now have a class leading Pentax camera with some of
the wrong people buying it -- they got lost at the crossroads and
ended up here when they should have ended up with that producer of
mass consumerism, Sony (A100). I am sure that Pentax appreciates
the sales but I am not sure the rest of us can handle the pain.

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Brett
http://www.pbase.com/shreder



The Journey is the Thing
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Hi Brett,

I also think you correct with this. The interface and default settings are not designed for someone just starting out with DSLR photography. I really think this whole JPEG issue is a good example of this. When Pentax first announced the camera they said they were designing it to be just under the D200. You can see this in the camera design (weather seals, no scene modes, etc.), its feature set, and the way it processes images using its default settings. Then during the final design stages of the camera the D80 was released which forced Pentax to lower its price a bit on the K10D.

However, the new price point puts it right in with all the scene mode cameras. Though the D80 (which I like) is a very well speced camera its also designed to cater to that market segment with its default processing settings and wheel full of happy faces.

Now Pentax should have set the defaults on the K10D the same as the K100D... though it really doesn't have all the modes I think that market requires...

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mike
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mrgphoto/

 
Mike, I think you pretty much nailed it there. What I'm really curious about is, given that situation, how should Pentax market the camera? I was in a Costco the other day and Nikon is selling the D80 with the 2 econo kit lens in a nice shiny box. With Costco's volume, this has got to be reaping in the sales for Nikon. Really good strategy. I've never seen a Pentax, especially a K100 or K110D outside of a dedicated camera store. It sure seems to me that the K100D and K110 should be targeted at those outlets where they offer one of the best price entry points into the dslr arena. I wonder how high the psychological barriers are within the minds of the buying agents for the big box stores and whether Pentax would have trouble doing this.

That said, you're point suggests the same strategy would not be wise for the K10D. In which case, if Canon can sell 5D's at Best Buy, is there a corrollary strategy for Pentax with the K10D to find more outlets?

Frank
 
sure, ok, I'll eat up some bandwidth, since we're having fun.

Had a wonderful dream about a castle, maybe because I was looking at Sinan's post about how Phil's copy of the 50-200 lens looks OOF or bunky in the review photos. But then the dream changed to a bunch of people arguing in a room. Whenever one person realized they were wasting their time, and leave, two more would see them leaving the room and decide to enter the room and find out what all the noise was about. After that faded out, there was a really nice bit about surfing and lying on a warm sandy beach, which you can see in these awesome photos I was looking at yesterday by Mark Dimo:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=21342969

They looked pretty sharp to me, but then it was a dream...

Frank
 
caveguru said:
Mike, I think you pretty much nailed it there. What I'm really
curious about is, given that situation, how should Pentax market
the camera? I was in a Costco the other day and Nikon is selling
the D80 with the 2 econo kit lens in a nice shiny box. With
Costco's volume, this has got to be reaping in the sales for Nikon.
Really good strategy. I've never seen a Pentax, especially a K100
or K110D outside of a dedicated camera store. It sure seems to me
that the K100D and K110 should be targeted at those outlets where
they offer one of the best price entry points into the dslr arena.
I wonder how high the psychological barriers are within the minds
of the buying agents for the big box stores and whether Pentax
would have trouble doing this.
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Here is Canada the K100/110D are starting to break into the larger stores although slowly... Best buy/Future Shop are currently carrying the camera here.
caveguru said:
That said, you're point suggests the same strategy would not be
wise for the K10D. In which case, if Canon can sell 5D's at Best
Buy, is there a corrollary strategy for Pentax with the K10D to
find more outlets?
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Don't forget the 5D/30D (at least here) is either a special order or they keep it under glass at Best Buy. I don't think they push them too much but they are there just to show the Canon product line. This in turn helps to push the lesser speced Canon cameras out the door.

I do think it would be a good idea to get the K10D into those stores for exposure. However, its price point would put it right beside the D80 and the XTi on the shelves and not in the cabinet. Which in turn, would leave the same market purchasing it and the sales staff putting it along side them... The correct market for the K10D IMO is more in the photo stores where most advanced amatures go to make a purchase.

Though the price point of the K10D puts it in the mass market segment I don't think its a mass market item... Hopefully Pentax can nail that with the K200D.
caveguru said:
Frank
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mike
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mrgphoto/

 
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