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Well, looks like we won't even have to wait for PMA before learning about some of the new upcoming products. Fuji is already out of the gate!

See the three Fuji announcements at:
http://www.a-digital-eye.com/

I believe all of them are utilizing the new generation SuperCCD III, with the new S2 D-SLR camera having six megapixels.

You can also read more at:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366921.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366892.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366827.html

So, a D-SLR, a prosumer camera, and a pocketable one. Nice.

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Ulysses
 
Heheheh... and only moments ago, it looks like Phil has just posted his own announcements, too. :)

Check 'em out.

And maybe in a day or so we'll finally see samples of what this new SuperCCD III is doing.
Ulysses said:
Well, looks like we won't even have to wait for PMA before learning
about some of the new upcoming products. Fuji is already out of the
gate!

See the three Fuji announcements at:
http://www.a-digital-eye.com/

I believe all of them are utilizing the new generation SuperCCD
III, with the new S2 D-SLR camera having six megapixels.

You can also read more at:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366921.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366892.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366827.html

So, a D-SLR, a prosumer camera, and a pocketable one. Nice.

--

Ulysses
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-- Ulysses
 
A SLR that runs on AA's or a couple of CR123's - YUCK..... i had a customer complaining about them in his Nikon 885 today. I can't imagine WHY they'd do this....

Wish we carried Fuji's in the store though :-(

Tracey
Ulysses said:
Check 'em out.

And maybe in a day or so we'll finally see samples of what this new
SuperCCD III is doing.
Ulysses said:
Well, looks like we won't even have to wait for PMA before learning
about some of the new upcoming products. Fuji is already out of the
gate!

See the three Fuji announcements at:
http://www.a-digital-eye.com/

I believe all of them are utilizing the new generation SuperCCD
III, with the new S2 D-SLR camera having six megapixels.

You can also read more at:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366921.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366892.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366827.html

So, a D-SLR, a prosumer camera, and a pocketable one. Nice.

--

Ulysses
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Ulysses
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I am looking at the pro slr version. I must say I like the 2 custom white balance settings, the 6MP CCD, raw mode, spot meter, bulp exposure, hot shoe, mutiple self timer times, histogram, video out.

Not wild about the fake 12MP output, but thats about it so far.

Being able to swap lenses is interesting, but the biggest plus I can see is doing prime focus astrophotography. That would rock. All in all very interesting especially coming from having a Fuji myself, I do love their colors. I will be following the details of this camera pretty close.--Shay - My Sony F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws/
 
Just wondering Ulysses~would you get one of these if the reviews were good; or would you stick to Sony?

Personally- I have no 'brand' loyalty- I go for what suits my particular needs - and of course what I can afford (well, sometimes I overspend,I must admit) :> ) Very curious about the Canon D60....(see what I mean- waaay over my head)
 
Shay said:
I am looking at the pro slr version. I must say I like the 2
custom white balance settings, the 6MP CCD, raw mode, spot meter,
bulp exposure, hot shoe, mutiple self timer times, histogram, video
out.

Not wild about the fake 12MP output, but thats about it so far.

Being able to swap lenses is interesting, but the biggest plus I
can see is doing prime focus astrophotography. That would rock.
All in all very interesting especially coming from having a Fuji
myself, I do love their colors. I will be following the details of
this camera pretty close.
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I'm looking at that one too. Not that I've exhausted the quality of the Sony, far from it! But I like the idea of new stuff :) And the more I used the less exited I am about the shortcomings. I'm starting to think of stuff like the D30 but I wouldn't want to go back down to a lower resolution.

Of course, that's when I get rich and also when I can understand something about how those lenses work.

David.--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
 
7OF7 said:
Just wondering Ulysses~would you get one of these if the reviews
were good; or would you stick to Sony?
Personally- I have no 'brand' loyalty- I go for what suits my
particular needs - and of course what I can afford (well, sometimes
I overspend,I must admit) :> ) Very curious about the Canon
D60....(see what I mean- waaay over my head)
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I always overspend, but what the heck...

I try to stay reasonable with money (that I don't have) but not in the way where I would tell myself that I'm not worthy of owning such high level stuff. I will get the best that I can afford. I got the Sony after reading tons of stuff about it and because it was the best I could afford, and I didn't want to look at anything more..."pro".

Now I'm starting to be more and more interested in something like the D30 for various reasons but don't want the 3MP resolution. So I wanna see what kind of successor they release, if they do.

No brand loyalty either, I don't see any reason for that.

David.

--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
 
Heheheh... humorous question.

Contrary to popular opinion, I'm not married to Sony; I'm married to a wonderful girl who happens to cook my food the way I like it. :-)

I'd get the camera that does it for me in terms of NR, w.b. and color consistency. I've always like Fuji's color and w.b. options. Their saturation levels are similar enough to Sony that I'm curious about the rest of the camera.

Also, I don't buy on the reviews. I try to check a camera out first, where possible. I investigate with real users, as well.

Interestingly, you can get the current Fuji S1 for around $2,500
The Canon D30 can be had for about the same (is that before adding a lens?)
7OF7 said:
Just wondering Ulysses~would you get one of these if the reviews
were good; or would you stick to Sony?
Personally- I have no 'brand' loyalty- I go for what suits my
particular
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You'll find that most people will say the same. -- Ulysses
 
BTW Uly, rumor is they are discontinuing D30 for their new intro. Also you can still pick one up for just over 1900 at Delta International and put on it one of the finest lenses in the world Canon 50mm F1.4. It focuses in lowest light conditions --almost in the dark. Need a few more lenses though.

Anyway, those who wait might benefit, but it looks to me that Canon doesn't want to have $1900 D30's sold and strip from their profits pro cams that cost a lot more.

MAC
Ulysses said:
Contrary to popular opinion, I'm not married to Sony; I'm married
to a wonderful girl who happens to cook my food the way I like it.
:-)

I'd get the camera that does it for me in terms of NR, w.b. and
color consistency. I've always like Fuji's color and w.b. options.
Their saturation levels are similar enough to Sony that I'm curious
about the rest of the camera.

Also, I don't buy on the reviews. I try to check a camera out
first, where possible. I investigate with real users, as well.

Interestingly, you can get the current Fuji S1 for around $2,500
The Canon D30 can be had for about the same (is that before adding
a lens?)
7OF7 said:
Just wondering Ulysses~would you get one of these if the reviews
were good; or would you stick to Sony?
Personally- I have no 'brand' loyalty- I go for what suits my
particular
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You'll find that most people will say the same.
--

Ulysses
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--Kind regards,MAC
 
Interesting...

I'm excited about increased competition in the market. Some thoughts/concerns:
  • The S2 remains heavy and expensive. Digital SLR technology appears to be getting better, but not necessarily more practical for the average consumer.
  • Consumer units still appear to lack focus assist lamps and remotes. The higher light sensitivity of the new sensors might help with low light focusing, however.
--Ron ParrFAQ: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~parr/photography/faq.htmlGallery: http://www.pbase.com/parr/
 
Ron Parr said:
  • The S2 remains heavy and expensive.
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Expensive, yeah. But its weight (excluding battery and lens) is just a hair more than that of the F707. Of course, the weight is one of the things "weighing" against ANY D-SLR, when you put it together with lenses, accessories, etc.

It's one reason we still see Andreas P. working so hard with his own DA rather than with the D30. :)
Member said:
Digital SLR technology
appears to be getting better, but not necessarily more practical
for the average consumer.
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Wouldn't that be the under-$500 cameras?

The S2, of course, isn't marketed to the "average" consumer.
Member said:
  • Consumer units still appear to lack focus assist lamps and
remotes. The higher light sensitivity of the new sensors might
help with low light focusing, however.
Click to expand...
I dunno. Sometimes I think the assist lamp (in any form or variant) is a sort of kludge anyway. People subjects find them irritating, and they don't always get the job done anyway. I'd like to see another solution, one of which is improved sensitivity. We'll see if the SuperCCD III can get it done this time. -- Ulysses
 
Ulysses said:
Ron Parr said:
  • The S2 remains heavy and expensive.
Click to expand...
Expensive, yeah. But its weight (excluding battery and lens) is
just a hair more than that of the F707. Of course, the weight is
one of the things "weighing" against ANY D-SLR, when you put it
together with lenses, accessories, etc.
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It's more professional SLR weight than consumer SLR weight. Consumer SLR bodies are under 1lb.

I suppose professionals like/need the heavier bodies with more metal, but it's yet another thing that, IMO, distances this from consumers.
Member said:
Member said:
Digital SLR technology
appears to be getting better, but not necessarily more practical
for the average consumer.
Click to expand...
Wouldn't that be the under-$500 cameras?

The S2, of course, isn't marketed to the "average" consumer.
Click to expand...
This is my point. We're seeing feature improvements, but the target market isn't changing at all. It's still too heavy and expensive to be considered by anything other than pros and very hardcore consumers.
Member said:
Member said:
  • Consumer units still appear to lack focus assist lamps and
remotes. The higher light sensitivity of the new sensors might
help with low light focusing, however.
Click to expand...
I dunno. Sometimes I think the assist lamp (in any form or variant)
is a sort of kludge anyway. People subjects find them irritating,
and they don't always get the job done anyway. I'd like to see
another solution, one of which is improved sensitivity. We'll see
if the SuperCCD III can get it done this time.
Click to expand...
Sure - I'd love a more elegant solution. My S85's focus assist lamp is pretty near useless sometimes. Still, most cameras without them today (e.g. Nikons) do even worse.

Perhaps Fuji has a trick up their sleaves.

--Ron ParrFAQ: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~parr/photography/faq.htmlGallery: http://www.pbase.com/parr/
 
And there off! Pre PMA camera announcements. Let the fun begin.........

S2, Impressive specs for sure! I like what I've seen for out put from many Fujis. This one will be worth watching.

Still it is attached to that darn 1.5 multiplier effect. Oh well, it's a feature with an expensive work around( wicked expensive ultrawide lenses). Though few would complain of the extra telphoto ability.

Still, with True SLRs(read traditional, no pel mirrors {prizms}a la E10/20) one has no live LCD to frame with. I'd miss that after having it on my current digicams. Framing from waist level gets shots I never thought of with a traditional viewfinder.
Best,
Robert
Ulysses said:
Well, looks like we won't even have to wait for PMA before learning
about some of the new upcoming products. Fuji is already out of the
gate!

See the three Fuji announcements at:
http://www.a-digital-eye.com/

I believe all of them are utilizing the new generation SuperCCD
III, with the new S2 D-SLR camera having six megapixels.

You can also read more at:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366921.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366892.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366827.html

So, a D-SLR, a prosumer camera, and a pocketable one. Nice.

--

Ulysses
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Hmmmm, maybe losing my DA now isn't such a bad thing after all...

(BTW, I am selling off the F707 only because I need the $ as I was laid off recently. That DA constitutes a big chunk of my credit card bills. Otherwise, I'd keep the 707 - it's my perfect camera! Got some prints back and they are crystal clear and amazing! You may hear a lot of the reds and vivid colors but you MUST print some out first and then you'll really appreciate them 707/Sony colors! They're gorgeous postcard quality stuff! sigh I'll miss it. It's going to a new owner tonight...)

Tigadee
Ulysses said:
Well, looks like we won't even have to wait for PMA before learning
about some of the new upcoming products. Fuji is already out of the
gate!

See the three Fuji announcements at:
http://www.a-digital-eye.com/

I believe all of them are utilizing the new generation SuperCCD
III, with the new S2 D-SLR camera having six megapixels.

You can also read more at:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366921.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366892.html
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1012366827.html

So, a D-SLR, a prosumer camera, and a pocketable one. Nice.

--

Ulysses
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--Tigadeewww.pbase.com/tigadee
 
Oooh, are you kidding, no LCD preview? That would be a killer for me. The F707 has ruined me on squinting through a view finder (because the LCD is so good), don't want to do it. Like using both eyes at a comfy distance.--Shay - My Sony F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws/
 
Robert P Miller said:
And there off! Pre PMA camera announcements. Let the fun
begin.........
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Indeed... by the responses to this thread, this is the kind of announcement that gets us going. New stuff!! :)
Member said:
S2, Impressive specs for sure! I like what I've seen for out put
from many Fujis. This one will be worth watching.
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Yes, agreed. However, looking at the samples from the S1, my biggest point will be to see how it performs in the area of grain/noise.
Member said:
Still it is attached to that darn 1.5 multiplier effect.
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Still a lot better than our own pretty decent F707 (with its 3.9x multiplier).
Member said:
Still, with True SLRs(read traditional, no pel mirrors {prizms}a la
E10/20) one has no live LCD to frame with. I'd miss that after
having it on my current digicams. Framing from waist level gets
shots I never thought of with a traditional viewfinder.
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Isn't the one of the points of having a D-SLR to have the eye-level viewfinder so that you can take advantage of focusing, framing, etc. ?

Either method has its advantages and disadvantages. I'd like to see what they actually come up with in this one before concluding how it will behave. I like what Phil mentioned in regards to providing live preview in his D30 review:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canond30/page3.asp

Points on the original S1 Pro:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis1pro/page3.asp

-- Ulysses
 
This makes me think - is there a reason IR laser range finding couldn't be used for focus? Range the target, adjust the focus, done - would be REALLY FAST. I really have no idea what it would entail or if it is even feasible. Do laser rangefinders require a reflection back to the source?

What I can say is that surveying total stations (the things that replaced transits) have been using lasers for at least 15 years to measure distance.

Thoughts?
Tom L.
Ron Parr said:
Ulysses said:
Ron Parr said:
  • The S2 remains heavy and expensive.
Click to expand...
Expensive, yeah. But its weight (excluding battery and lens) is
just a hair more than that of the F707. Of course, the weight is
one of the things "weighing" against ANY D-SLR, when you put it
together with lenses, accessories, etc.
Click to expand...
It's more professional SLR weight than consumer SLR weight.
Consumer SLR bodies are under 1lb.

I suppose professionals like/need the heavier bodies with more
metal, but it's yet another thing that, IMO, distances this from
consumers.
Member said:
Member said:
Digital SLR technology
appears to be getting better, but not necessarily more practical
for the average consumer.
Click to expand...
Wouldn't that be the under-$500 cameras?

The S2, of course, isn't marketed to the "average" consumer.
Click to expand...
This is my point. We're seeing feature improvements, but the
target market isn't changing at all. It's still too heavy and
expensive to be considered by anything other than pros and very
hardcore consumers.
Member said:
Member said:
  • Consumer units still appear to lack focus assist lamps and
remotes. The higher light sensitivity of the new sensors might
help with low light focusing, however.
Click to expand...
I dunno. Sometimes I think the assist lamp (in any form or variant)
is a sort of kludge anyway. People subjects find them irritating,
and they don't always get the job done anyway. I'd like to see
another solution, one of which is improved sensitivity. We'll see
if the SuperCCD III can get it done this time.
Click to expand...
Sure - I'd love a more elegant solution. My S85's focus assist
lamp is pretty near useless sometimes. Still, most cameras without
them today (e.g. Nikons) do even worse.

Perhaps Fuji has a trick up their sleaves.

--
Ron Parr
FAQ: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~parr/photography/faq.html
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/parr/
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--DSC-F707Sticker Orientation: OFF
 
Keep in mind that a Hasselblad body and lens can be had for less than that price. Keep in mnd that a Canon F2 body is under $800. What we're talking about here is the lowered resistance to prices in the thousands of dollars range. I have a Nikon N60 with a couple of Nikon Speedlites that I spent less than $1000 on. I never thought I'd be spending as much money for a camera as I did for my F707 and accessories.
Ulysses said:
Contrary to popular opinion, I'm not married to Sony; I'm married
to a wonderful girl who happens to cook my food the way I like it.
:-)

I'd get the camera that does it for me in terms of NR, w.b. and
color consistency. I've always like Fuji's color and w.b. options.
Their saturation levels are similar enough to Sony that I'm curious
about the rest of the camera.

Also, I don't buy on the reviews. I try to check a camera out
first, where possible. I investigate with real users, as well.

Interestingly, you can get the current Fuji S1 for around $2,500
The Canon D30 can be had for about the same (is that before adding
a lens?)
7OF7 said:
Just wondering Ulysses~would you get one of these if the reviews
were good; or would you stick to Sony?
Personally- I have no 'brand' loyalty- I go for what suits my
particular
Click to expand...
You'll find that most people will say the same.
--

Ulysses
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--Raymond
 
A few comments: The S1 was great as my friend Robert shows in link below so the S2 should be interesting:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1005&message=2039002

The sidewinder approach to my 505v was nice for point and shoot, but if you want high quality pics at long range, a viewfinder only way to go IMO ? you need to see it through the viewfinder center point to get this kind of clarity ? 75 yards away. D30, 70 ? 200 F2.8

http://home.columbus.rr.com/bobmcelheny/cheer2.jpg

Kind regards,
MAC

--Kind regards,MAC
 
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