8 Bit & 16 Bit

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Is there a significant difference between the 2 in image quality ?
My Photoshop Elements 3 doesn't support 16 Bit but Corel Paint Shop
Pro XI does.

After working on a Photo what is the best format to save it in?
 
If you have sufficient storage space go for 16bit. As the file size suggests there is more colour information available in a 16bit file.
 
You'll hear that a lot ... whether involving what sharpening method and how much or when, bit depth, curves or levels, ... it ALL depends. On what you are starting with, and where you want to go with it.

As to bit depth, 8-bit has only the infamous 255 levels or steps (plus 0), for a total available "information" depth (or height ... think of it as a vertical scale is easier for some people) of 256.

16-bit has a bit more detail levels ... my memory is faulty but there are PLENTY around here to correct my mistakes, but I believe it is something like 4,096 levels, in the same absolute dark-> light progression.

Jpegs and most printing devices currently take 8-bit as their norm, and it is entirely adequate for printing a full-range print for human eyes. In fact, if you have a 16-bit image, you normally need to take it down to 8-bit to print, though some newer printing devices can handle 16-bit files (though one article I read said that at least a couple of the models that can, simply down-mode to 8-bit in their own processor). However, an image with 4,000+ levels can be modified quite a bit and then fitted "down" into a 256-level format with no visible problems for the processing steps.

So when is 16-bit advisable? If you are going to need to do much adjustment of the image light/dark properties, say you are going to raise the mid-darks up to a mid-tone, or try to take highlights down to mid-highs and do that with an 8-bit, you'll have many of those steps that, because of moving or lifting the detail that once was there higher up or lower down the scale, now have NO information ... coning, it is called.

You see it in the histogram, where there is a narrow canyon in the middle of your block of "data" that goes clear to the baseline, empty. If you have a few of those in your print, especially in the near-highlights, you will DEFINITELY see them in the print, as the tones will jump with a sharp band from one value of lightness to the next, rather than transition smoothly from light to dark.

Also, if you do a lot of image retouching, you can get coning.

So, if you start your pp (post-processing) by switching the image depth mode to 16-bit, you give yourself a bit more "headroom", though not nearly as much as if you start out with a 16-bit file to begin with. Which would be a raw file from the camera.

Two additional things ... for basic snapshots, if you've got your camera down so that your exposures are pretty good, save time and space and shoot jpeg. And a bit of extra accuracy 'cause I KNOW I'll get corrected by someone around here ... most camera's actually shoot 12 or 14 bit raw files, but in software, it's always called 16-bit.

Hope I've muddied things up wonderfully well there!

Neil
 
Thank you R. Neil....very well put and in terms that I think most will understand.

Great web site R.Neil ........with incredible images and company statements/goals/objectives. If you were located on the east coast I'd be visiting........... a lot.

Kind Regards
Ed

http://www.kopickiphotography.com
 
16-bit has a bit more detail levels ... my memory is faulty but
there are PLENTY around here to correct my mistakes, but I believe
it is something like 4,096 levels, in the same absolute dark-> light
progression.
I guess I'll be "that guy"... 4,096 levels per channel is 12 bit, which is what current sensors can capture. Converting the file to 16 bit would yield 65,536 levels per channel, but there would not (yet) be information in any more than 4,096 levels per channel.

The image below is an example of what 16 bit gives you. The top histogram is a stock 8 bit image. The second histogram is drastic curve adjustment in 8 bit. The missing information in the 256 levels is evident. This can/will result in posterization in tonal gradations. The third histogram is the result of applying a drastic curve in 16 bit. I did not have a 16 bit image handy, so I had to convert and resample the 8 bit image to give an approximation, but you can see that even this produces a much better histogram, with information still present in all levels. If I had used a true 16 bit image, the histogram would have been nice and smooth.

 
for the kind comments. My wife and I have been at this living by our wits for over thirty years now. I surely hope we do it at least decently well!

I'd love to travel the whole east coast, just went to Charleston to see my son graduate from a Navy school there, spent a few days in Charlotte visiting a friend's daughter, hubby, and little boy ... oh, and I flew into and out of Newark over about 6 hours one day!

Neil
 
on those histograms for demonstration of what I tried to do in words. Thanks for the "enlargement" of the explanation.

Neil
 
some medium and large format backs already have native 16 bit capture....only 35mm type cameras are currently limited to 12--14 bits per color.....
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Richard Katris aka Chanan
 
some medium and large format backs already have native 16 bit
capture....only 35mm type cameras are currently limited to 12--14
bits per color.....
I wasn't aware of that. Very cool. Early on in the conversion to digital (DCS420), I began telling everyone that 16 bit capture was as important as "megapixels". Even 12 bits has been a*huge* improvement. Watch for 16 bit RAW in the next generation of DSLRs... I think that 12-16 megapixels is plenty... noise and bit depth are next :-)
 
output on a Hassy w/ Creo 22meg back in 16 shot 1/4 pixel shift mode outputs a 508 meg tif per image taken in true 16 bit per color. Storage problems anyone?!?
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Richard Katris aka Chanan
 
output on a Hassy w/ Creo 22meg back in 16 shot 1/4 pixel shift
mode outputs a 508 meg tif per image taken in true 16 bit per
color. Storage problems anyone?!?
A very smart boss of mine told us 'way back in 1992: "Our business is information, and disk space is like copy paper. Every year, budget for more."

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RDKirk
'TANSTAAFL: The only unbreakable rule in photography.'
 

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