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Well folks, we know about the D60 coming out at PMA. What else do you think will be released? Pro90 Upgrade? G2? Input Input Input. Let's see who's right.

I figure with all of the Nikon news and Sony success, Canon is due, and they know it - Big time.

Joe
 
I hope for a Pro90 upgrade. If they upgrade it and base it on the G2 and keep the 10x zoom I will sell my G2 and buy it as soon as I can get a hot deal. If they do not hopefully it will knock the price of the Pro90 down and I'll just buy the Pro 90 and keep both cameras. I really want to shoot some birds, and it would be great to be able to interchange batteries etc. with my G2.

Dan
Well folks, we know about the D60 coming out at PMA. What else do
you think will be released? Pro90 Upgrade? G2? Input Input
Input. Let's see who's right.
I figure with all of the Nikon news and Sony success, Canon is due,
and they know it - Big time.

Joe
 
I am going to step into the realm of wishfull thinking:

Pro6 (building on the G2 and pro90 designs)
CMOS 6 MP 6micron pixels (Canon perfects its CMOS and dumps SONY)

28 - 200 mm F2.5 - F4.0 ( yeah we would like bigger,faster, but larger sensor makes it more difficult)
Real SLR view-finder with real physical manual focus - split ring focus screen.
Pro 90 ergonomics.
Low noise halfway between G2 and D30.

MSRP $1199. Utterly destroys top end competition 707, E20 etc...
Well folks, we know about the D60 coming out at PMA. What else do
you think will be released? Pro90 Upgrade? G2? Input Input
Input. Let's see who's right.
I figure with all of the Nikon news and Sony success, Canon is due,
and they know it - Big time.

Joe
 
ALright, we may as well be a bit realistic otherwise we will spec out a pure fantasy model which will not emerge for 5 or 10 years, if ever...

Personally I don't think there will be a Pro90 successor released, because they can't cost-effectively produce a 10x lens with a 4 or 5mp sensor. What i'm pretty sure canon will do is introduce a Pro90/G2 hybrid- 5megapixel, 5x zoom (or maybe even 7x if we're lucky).

Rest of specs will be similar to G2, perhaps slightly improved timings, lower noise, hopefully full support for 420ex (not crippled like G2).

This "Pro500" will retail around $1200-$1400 USD (street 100-200 less) and in short supply for the first 3 months as it slowly trickles into the stores between April and July :( like the currentG2 situation...

Oh yeah, and it won't utterly destroy the competition because as we all know, it's marketing that "wins" sales wars, not necessarily the quality of the product (but it's a handy backup to your publicity hype!)

just look at the way sony sucks in the average consumer then hits them for prohibitively (even obscenely) expensive proprietary memory and other accessories... ouch
I am going to step into the realm of wishfull thinking:

Pro6 (building on the G2 and pro90 designs)
CMOS 6 MP 6micron pixels (Canon perfects its CMOS and dumps SONY)
28 - 200 mm F2.5 - F4.0 ( yeah we would like bigger,faster, but
larger sensor makes it more difficult)
Real SLR view-finder with real physical manual focus - split ring
focus screen.
Pro 90 ergonomics.
Low noise halfway between G2 and D30.

MSRP $1199. Utterly destroys top end competition 707, E20 etc...
--------------------------------------i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
Yes, this (your description) is exactly what I expect. I posted my realistic view, the last time this thread came around. People expecting a 10x zoom are going to be dissapointed (I bet IS is gone too). I also expect the lens to be slower than the 707 and people will complain about that as well. A nice evolutionary model that should do well. I may get one.

But there has been so much rampant and wild speculation (read the SLR forum) about PMA that I expect there will be many dissapointments when the time comes.

That said, being speculative, at some point I expect Canon to use its own CMOS in prosumer cameras, and free them to design all aspects of their cameras.

The real SLR viewfinder and manual focus was pie-in-the-sky and I admit it. :-)

Peter
Personally I don't think there will be a Pro90 successor released,
because they can't cost-effectively produce a 10x lens with a 4 or
5mp sensor. What i'm pretty sure canon will do is introduce a
Pro90/G2 hybrid- 5megapixel, 5x zoom (or maybe even 7x if we're
lucky).

Rest of specs will be similar to G2, perhaps slightly improved
timings, lower noise, hopefully full support for 420ex (not
crippled like G2).

This "Pro500" will retail around $1200-$1400 USD (street 100-200
less) and in short supply for the first 3 months as it slowly
trickles into the stores between April and July :( like the
currentG2 situation...

Oh yeah, and it won't utterly destroy the competition because as we
all know, it's marketing that "wins" sales wars, not necessarily
the quality of the product (but it's a handy backup to your
publicity hype!)

just look at the way sony sucks in the average consumer then hits
them for prohibitively (even obscenely) expensive proprietary
memory and other accessories... ouch
I am going to step into the realm of wishfull thinking:

Pro6 (building on the G2 and pro90 designs)
CMOS 6 MP 6micron pixels (Canon perfects its CMOS and dumps SONY)
28 - 200 mm F2.5 - F4.0 ( yeah we would like bigger,faster, but
larger sensor makes it more difficult)
Real SLR view-finder with real physical manual focus - split ring
focus screen.
Pro 90 ergonomics.
Low noise halfway between G2 and D30.

MSRP $1199. Utterly destroys top end competition 707, E20 etc...
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i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
Other Realistic Possibilities:

1: There will be NO new top end prosumer camera at PMA. Its too soon for the G2 replacement and Canon has given up on the big zoom due to money lost on the Pro90. Its going to concentrate on SLRs for people who want big zoom. Note there was no top end Prosumer at last years PMA either.

2: The G3 will show up. Essentially a G2 with 5mp.

Realistic can be boring. :-)
Personally I don't think there will be a Pro90 successor released,
because they can't cost-effectively produce a 10x lens with a 4 or
5mp sensor. What i'm pretty sure canon will do is introduce a
Pro90/G2 hybrid- 5megapixel, 5x zoom (or maybe even 7x if we're
lucky).

Rest of specs will be similar to G2, perhaps slightly improved
timings, lower noise, hopefully full support for 420ex (not
crippled like G2).

This "Pro500" will retail around $1200-$1400 USD (street 100-200
less) and in short supply for the first 3 months as it slowly
trickles into the stores between April and July :( like the
currentG2 situation...

Oh yeah, and it won't utterly destroy the competition because as we
all know, it's marketing that "wins" sales wars, not necessarily
the quality of the product (but it's a handy backup to your
publicity hype!)

just look at the way sony sucks in the average consumer then hits
them for prohibitively (even obscenely) expensive proprietary
memory and other accessories... ouch
I am going to step into the realm of wishfull thinking:

Pro6 (building on the G2 and pro90 designs)
CMOS 6 MP 6micron pixels (Canon perfects its CMOS and dumps SONY)
28 - 200 mm F2.5 - F4.0 ( yeah we would like bigger,faster, but
larger sensor makes it more difficult)
Real SLR view-finder with real physical manual focus - split ring
focus screen.
Pro 90 ergonomics.
Low noise halfway between G2 and D30.

MSRP $1199. Utterly destroys top end competition 707, E20 etc...
--
------------------------------------
i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
I'm a G2 owner/fan, but it would sure be great to see a Pro90IS upgrade with 5mp. Who wouldn't love a 10X IS zoom matched to a high-res CCD?
(OK the disposable camera crowd wouldn't even notice but you know what I mean!)

Now Warren's had a few things to say about the problems with upgrading the Pro90 and he's probably right about the technical problems with a 10 X zoom and available CCDs. The 10X Oly's are also stuck in the 2 MP range. Given the similarities between the G2 and the DSC S85 (which appear to share the same lens and CCD) he's probably right that a Pro** resembling a 5MP Sony F707 will soon appear. But, it would only have a 5X zoom, equivalent to 38-190mm, although a very fast f 2 - f 2.4. Probably won't have IS with such a short zoom, but it would be nice if it did. But weight, bulk and performance won't be that much different from a G2 + Oly B-300 combo, assuming you can find the latter. Welcome, but not really all that exciting. Probably doesn't even qualify as a Pro90 successor.

Warren, I hope you're wrong, but fear you're right! cheers, GKL

PS -- Warren, did you see Phil's news that Sony dropped MS prices?
ALright, we may as well be a bit realistic otherwise we will spec
out a pure fantasy model which will not emerge for 5 or 10 years,
if ever...

Personally I don't think there will be a Pro90 successor released,
because they can't cost-effectively produce a 10x lens with a 4 or
5mp sensor. What i'm pretty sure canon will do is introduce a
Pro90/G2 hybrid- 5megapixel, 5x zoom (or maybe even 7x if we're
lucky).

Rest of specs will be similar to G2, perhaps slightly improved
timings, lower noise, hopefully full support for 420ex (not
crippled like G2).

This "Pro500" will retail around $1200-$1400 USD (street 100-200
less) and in short supply for the first 3 months as it slowly
trickles into the stores between April and July :( like the
currentG2 situation...

Oh yeah, and it won't utterly destroy the competition because as we
all know, it's marketing that "wins" sales wars, not necessarily
the quality of the product (but it's a handy backup to your
publicity hype!)

just look at the way sony sucks in the average consumer then hits
them for prohibitively (even obscenely) expensive proprietary
memory and other accessories... ouch
 
Why was there money lost on the Pro90? I am not being snide, just curious. It looks like a great camera that is just a bit too expensive given the coset of the oly2100.
Other Realistic Possibilities:

1: There will be NO new top end prosumer camera at PMA. Its too
soon for the G2 replacement and Canon has given up on the big zoom
due to money lost on the Pro90. Its going to concentrate on SLRs
for people who want big zoom. Note there was no top end Prosumer at
last years PMA either.
[email protected]
 
He's probably right that a Pro** resembling a 5MP Sony F707 will soon
appear. But, it would only have a 5X zoom, equivalent to 38-190mm,
although a very fast f 2 - f 2.4. Probably won't have IS with such
a short zoom, but it would be nice if it did. But weight, bulk and
performance won't be that much different from a G2 + Oly B-300
combo, assuming you can find the latter. Welcome, but not really
all that exciting. Probably doesn't even qualify as a Pro90 successor.
Now if the next prosumer Canon had a 28-200 equivalent zoom, that would make it interesting. Minolta has already developed a good piece of glass that works with a 5MP CCD (Dimage 7). GKL
 
Its hearsay, but it was reported that a Canon rep said there would be no pro90 upgrade since the camera did not sell well enough to make money.
People working at camera stores also reported lackluster sales on this model.

I think low MP in a very expensive camera that was released months after the G1 (and Oly 2100) contributed. I think there is still a market for this kind of camera, but it has to be the top of the line in sensor as well as lens.
Other Realistic Possibilities:

1: There will be NO new top end prosumer camera at PMA. Its too
soon for the G2 replacement and Canon has given up on the big zoom
due to money lost on the Pro90. Its going to concentrate on SLRs
for people who want big zoom. Note there was no top end Prosumer at
last years PMA either.
--
Jim
[email protected]
 
Realistically, Canon is facing heavy loses overall if they don't step up at PMA and produce something that will blow Sony out of the water. The 707 has established itself as the premier 5MP. Canon needs to drastically fix that problem. So I think realisitcally there will be a Pro90 successor, with a 7X and IS. Maybe a bit bulky, but it better be good
He's probably right that a Pro** resembling a 5MP Sony F707 will soon
appear. But, it would only have a 5X zoom, equivalent to 38-190mm,
although a very fast f 2 - f 2.4. Probably won't have IS with such
a short zoom, but it would be nice if it did. But weight, bulk and
performance won't be that much different from a G2 + Oly B-300
combo, assuming you can find the latter. Welcome, but not really
all that exciting. Probably doesn't even qualify as a Pro90 successor.
Now if the next prosumer Canon had a 28-200 equivalent zoom, that
would make it interesting. Minolta has already developed a good
piece of glass that works with a 5MP CCD (Dimage 7). GKL
 
Realistically, Canon is facing heavy loses overall if they don't
step up at PMA and produce something that will blow Sony out of the
water.
This is assuming that Sony will do nothing, right? Don't think that can be counted on.

No doubt we'll see lower priced memory, and likely a 256MB stick the price of the current 128MB. You'll see lots of promises, too, for even bigger memory sticks later this year (more vapor, I know).
The 707 has established itself as the premier 5MP. Canon
needs to drastically fix that problem.
I don't know if this is true. Sony basically laid an egg with the 707 in many ways... no saturation control, limited support for external flash (and a cheesy one at that), dependence on the memory sticks which are limited in size and costly. Then there were all the production QC problems with the camera, and the whole firmware update debacle (you send us your brand new camera, and we'll fix it so it works right).

I expect we'll see an improved F707 that addresses many of the issues we've seen with the camera, making it even a stronger contender in the field of 5MP+ cameras.
So I think realisitcally
there will be a Pro90 successor, with a 7X and IS. Maybe a bit
bulky, but it better be good
I really doubt we'll see anything from Canon in this category at PMA. G2 sales are strong, we just had the excellent S30 and S40 introduced, and there aren't people clamoring for more pixels right now, since all the existing 5MP cameras have serious issues. Canon certainly has looked at and passed on that 5MP sony chip for very good reason.

The design of the Pro90 does not lend itself to any of the larger sensors, we've been told in the past, and the sales of the camera were not strong. If we see any camera with a longer zoom, expect it to look more like the G2, and to come long after the conference.

I'm also hopeful for a "Digital Rebel" ($1500 consumer SLR) but will not be holding my breath. Very likely, the only thing we'll see from Canon is the D60, the successor to the D30. At that time, I start saving for when the D30 owners start dumping theirs to get in line for the D60. :)

Bryan
 
It pains me to say this, but I wouldn't be surprised if #1 is correct.

Sony axed the MVCD1000 (cdr 2.1MP, and my last camera) because it cost a great deal to manufacture, had more reliability issues and they generally made a loss on it. They replaced the CD1000 with the CD200 and CD300 for about $800 and $1000 repsectively at 2.1 and 3.? MP and presumably they are making money on them, but look at what you get for your kilobuck, they are a portable CDR drive with a rather pedestrian 'point 'n shoot' attached, nothing more.

Gone is the TTL LCD Viewfinder, gone is the Image Stabilization and rather tasty 10X zoom. Essentially, they have gutted all the things that we loved about the CD1000 bar the battery and the CD writing.

Mine died, and I bought a Pro90IS which I am almost obscenely happy with. I don't wish for higher resolution, I don't wish for anything much, bar perhaps a rev of the lens with less chromatic abberations in bright light at the extremes of it's zoom and maybe a more intelligent battery meter. The flash for the (all) Sony(s) is absolutely pathetic, really, pathetic (No TTL anything, put your finger over the magic eye and prepare for a shot of the white room, no focal length matching, tilt but no swivel, the list goes on). And it costs as much as my 420EX did. Grrr.

So, sorry, enough bitching about Sony, what can this tell us about Canon's next move?

Well, big lenses are expensive, as is IS. Designing new lenses is expensive (or so everyone keeps saying, though I'm not sure just how much I buy that. In the past, your Sinar or Hasselblad lens cost a lot in part because they had get a lot of very very clever people to do a lot of very hard maths to work out how to design one that would work well. That hard maths has not gone away, but it no longer has to be done by hand. Lenses (Or rather lens elements) aren't hard to emulate on a computer, so it should be perfectly possible to set up a simple CAD system that allows you to add or remove elements and see how different configurations behave pretty much in real time. Only send something off for prototyping when you are confident that it works well on paper, and lens systems are simple enough that when they work well on paper, (assuming you know the refractive index for your materials and so forth accurately) they work fairly well in practice as well (This comes from someone who designed and prototyped lens and prism mechanisms for industrial robotics, albeit terribly simple ones) Now, the engineering required to mount the glass in a robust and complex moving carriage is another matter entirely, that would indeed be a significant task, and how significant I do not know. Maybe this is what is meant when people refer to the expense of designing new lenses. Dunno, just skeptical) So, where were we,

big lenses are expensive, as is IS, Sony has given up (for the moment at least) on the superzooms and there isn't much other movement in that direction in the market place. To have a nice low noise high resolution image sensor with current tech, it has to be big, which means your superzoom has to be bigger. Which means more expensive and less appealing to the consumer, which probably means less sales, which is not good business sense. Now, if you can change one of those variables and put a high sensitivity, low noise small footprint CCD in the body of the Pro90 and tweak the optics so they will make meaningful use of it (which currently they wouldn't, in my humble opinion) then you have a successor to the Pro90. Otherwise you probably have variants on the theme of the G2 for a while, more MP like you suggest, and perhaps a point release of the 90 with new firmware and different decals and a couple of bells and whistles, or an F707 5MP 5Xish device (though I'd have thought we would have heard of the development of the lens by now, ala the Pro90)

Of course, now that I've said all of that, they will certainly release a Pro180 with 5.4MP, a 12X zoom, double IS and a coffee machine in the charger, and I'll look really silly, but either way I win.

It doesn't bother me a whole lot either way, if my Pro90 lasts like I hope it will, my next camera will be whatever the year after next's D30 is anyway. I've had enough with toy cameras, my wallet just hasn't caught up with my tastes yet. ;-) (Don't get me wrong, I love my Pro90 like a second liver, it is absolutely fabulous for an $800 camera and it gives me that special tingly feeling in my undies whenever I use it, but I grew up surrounded by Rollei, Hasselblad and Sinar so my tastes and expectations are somewhat misaligned with my current fiscal reality and I categorically DO NOT take photographs as my day job)

Right enough waffling, back to the Cold Fusion and if you read as far as here, I'm sure you won't risk another of my posts again. Sorry.

Dermot
Other Realistic Possibilities:

1: There will be NO new top end prosumer camera at PMA. Its too
soon for the G2 replacement and Canon has given up on the big zoom
due to money lost on the Pro90. Its going to concentrate on SLRs
for people who want big zoom. Note there was no top end Prosumer at
last years PMA either.

2: The G3 will show up. Essentially a G2 with 5mp.

Realistic can be boring. :-)
 
dermot, that was fantastic. brilliant "stream of consciousness" writing, as my art teacher would have said. but painting. hell you know what i mean.

you should post more often! just so long as those replying to your war-and-peace style messages remember to crop out the last 15 or so pages of text

8)
It pains me to say this, but I wouldn't be surprised if #1 is correct.
(missing 45,000 words go here)
Right enough waffling, back to the Cold Fusion and if you read as
far as here, I'm sure you won't risk another of my posts again.
Sorry.

Dermot
--------------------------------------i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
Dermot Conner wrote:
------ major surgical amputation ----
Well, big lenses are expensive, as is IS. Designing new lenses is
expensive (or so everyone keeps saying, though I'm not sure just
how much I buy that. In the past, your Sinar or Hasselblad lens
cost a lot in part because they had get a lot of very very clever
people to do a lot of very hard maths to work out how to design one
that would work well. That hard maths has not gone away, but it no
longer has to be done by hand. Lenses (Or rather lens elements)
aren't hard to emulate on a computer, so it should be perfectly
possible to set up a simple CAD system that allows you to add or
remove elements and see how different configurations behave pretty
much in real time. Only send something off for prototyping when you
are confident that it works well on paper, and lens systems are
simple enough that when they work well on paper, (assuming you know
the refractive index for your materials and so forth accurately)
they work fairly well in practice as well
--- rriiippp-----

Well Dermot the hard maths as you put it have been done with computers for half a century now and everyone knows Canon's got one of the best teams out there or are they too outsourcing everything to China these days, whatever is the world coming to? (:-)

Seriously though, ray tracing and transfer function calculations are a snap with modern computers, and these people have aspheric surfaces and internal movement to play with. Monte Carlo methods give good estimates for quality control.

But the laws of physics still apply and people aren't optimistic about matching the image produced by a 10x zoom (38-380mm equivalent) to Sony's largish 5MP CCD. We'll know soon enough whether Canon is still at the drawing board or whether they have something just waiting up their sleeve. I hope they haven't given up on a 90 IS successor. One of the big attractions of digital is the small image format and the smallish lenses that gives us. Imagine the size of a 35 mm ZLR with a 38-380 zoom! GKL
 
Well Dermot the hard maths as you put it have been done with
computers for half a century now and everyone knows Canon's got one
of the best teams out there or are they too outsourcing everything
to China these days, whatever is the world coming to? (:-)

Seriously though, ray tracing and transfer function calculations
are a snap with modern computers, and these people have aspheric
surfaces and internal movement to play with. Monte Carlo methods
give good estimates for quality control.

But the laws of physics still apply and people aren't optimistic
about matching the image produced by a 10x zoom (38-380mm
equivalent) to Sony's largish 5MP CCD. We'll know soon enough
whether Canon is still at the drawing board or whether they have
something just waiting up their sleeve. I hope they haven't given
up on a 90 IS successor. One of the big attractions of digital is
the small image format and the smallish lenses that gives us.
Imagine the size of a 35 mm ZLR with a 38-380 zoom! GKL
Well put (dermot spots someone who knows considerably more about that which he is speaking of, and wisely decides to shut up).

The laws of physics do not appear to be playing on our team when it comes to nifty super tiny zoom lenses. One approach I would like to see investigated would involve actively cooling a high density small footprint imaging element, using a thin slice of Peltier material or what have you. So long as you can deal with any condensation issues (tricky) and keep it efficient enough not to place undue burden on the power source (not so tricky, the CCD isn't consuming much current, AFAIK, hence not much heat to pump out), it might be a runner.

Suppose for a moment you build your CCD array with a few thermocoulples dotted around the edges of your wafer (or whatever the silicon sparkies use for thermocouples), attach the whole CCD wafer to a small peltier element on its back (can be almost infinitesimally small/low delta since it isn't pumping much heat, could conceivably be fabbed on the back of the silicon itself for all I know (which is not much)), attaching said peltier to the device's package (the plastic/ceramic bit with the legs on the sides and the glass on the front). This assumes the prophylactic layer of glass between the CCD (or CMOS or whatever) and the putrid filth of the meat world** is not too close to the CCD itself.

(cigarette break)

So, we have our n M-Pixel CCD sitting on a peltier heat pump sitting on the back of it's packaging, which in turn is soldered to a PCB which is bolted to the rest of the camera. We power the device up. The CCD consumes energy, most of which it turns into heat (the rest is, in my case, turned into tasteless pictures of your relatives, cats and cliched landscapes). The temperature sensors on the wafer say 'we are warm, but we must be cool, like The Fonz' and tell an external circuit to give the peltier a little juice. Said external circuit, being the obliging sort, does. The Peltier pumps a little tiny bit of heat out of the wafer into the device's package, warming it up slightly. This heat is shared with the rest of the camera body in a fair and equitable fashion and doesn't amount to a hill of beans in comparison to the heat being produced by the cold (ha!) cathode illucidating the LCD on the back. So, the wafer now finds itself cool, says 'that was nice, thank you' and the peltier shuts down, or drops power to keep the wafer at the right termperature or what have you.

This would seem to solve the condensation problem, the only cold part of the device is hermetically sealed in a vacuum or something inert and non-condensing so condensation shouldn't be an issue. One downside I can see would be IR radiation from the slightly warmed glass on the front of the device, but from what little I know about the heat/noise phenomena, I don't think it is IR noise, rather 'hot electronics' noise. I would also expect the temperature change for the glass to be small bearing in mind the mass of camera body that would have to warm up along with it. Essentially, all we have to make sure is that the total energy going to the peltier and CCD array does not exceed what can be easily dissapated by the surrounding material. (bear in mind, certain parts of cameras get hot already)

So, could we by these means produce a super cold (and I reckon you could drop the temperature as far as you like, so long as you can dissapate enough heat from the package), super quiet, super high resolution and super tiny CCD for our super nifty super zooms?

Probably not, or Sony would have already done so.

Pity, oh well. Back to work.
 
Warren, thank you, I'm touched.
you should post more often! just so long as those replying to your
war-and-peace style messages remember to crop out the last 15 or so
pages of text

8)
It pains me to say this, but I wouldn't be surprised if #1 is correct.
(missing 45,000 words go here)
Right enough waffling, back to the Cold Fusion and if you read as
far as here, I'm sure you won't risk another of my posts again.
Sorry.

Dermot
--
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i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
i think you should apply for a brainstorming position in the canon R&D labs. another thought-provoking post with an engaging assortment suitably self-deprecating asides and anthropomorphic platitudes (ok that doesn't make sense but i love that word, just had to use it)

hurrah!
Well Dermot the hard maths as you put it have been done with
computers for half a century now and everyone knows Canon's got one
--------------------------------------i was gonna type something witty here but then i changed my mind.
 
I particularly like the word plinth.

The self deprecation is really more of a warning, I promise it will only be introduced when I write on subjects I know dangerously little about. The viewing public has a right to know these things (know your source and all that). Were this a forum concerned with the finer aspects algorithm and database design, PC performance tweakage, HiFi or automotive suspension, I should sound quite obnoxiously self assured.

Brainstorming positions are hard to come by when one is 25 and without a third level education (BS in Artificail Intelligence, Psychology and Philosopy, University of Edinburgh, (very) incomplete). Cracking backend code for a cancer hospital on the other hand....

Serindipitous is nice too.

Dermot
i think you should apply for a brainstorming position in the canon
R&D labs. another thought-provoking post with an engaging
assortment suitably self-deprecating asides and anthropomorphic
platitudes (ok that doesn't make sense but i love that word, just
had to use it)

hurrah!

Dermot Conner wrote:
 

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