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Hilary Photo Manipulated?

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JohnnyBlood said:
And, for
your information, my political leanings are a bit right of Atilla
the Hun, so you probably should not automatically assume that
someone else's political views are contrary to your own.

Johnny
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I never mentioned my political views, nor did I assume or mention anything about your views. Maybe you misconstrued my statement about knowing Powerlines Political views and JMikes apparent views since he obviously is vehemently opposed to Powerline.

All I said was that when you post something that has political overtones then you can expect a politcal discussion, but at the very least, it should remain civil.
JohnnyBlood said:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/latitudes/
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JMikes said:
PowerLine Blog doesn't believe in free speech, as they've proven
over and over again. It's a extremist, anti-American site,
populated by sicko rightwing haters, and those who support it are
obviously anti-American to an extreme. Yeah, you're right, I'm a
left winger, one of those sick pro-Constitution, pro-individual
freedoms, pro-civil rights, pro-America commies. Go spew your
hatred to someone who agrees with your pathetic world view, like
the fascist creeps at Powerline.
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Ah, a leftist Limbaugh

Galleries at http://www.pbase.com/garyp
 
Um, you don't see "intelligent" and "patriotic" as contradictions. I surely do.

I'm not suggesting intelligent people can't be patriotic, but I am suggesting that patriotism prays on shallow thinkers, coaxing them into a closed box. It is an age old power ploy used by politicians to control the thoughts of possible dissenters.

Patriotism is one of the evils of democracy, in my mind.

dave
JMikes said:
JohnnyBlood said:
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/016167.php

Johnny

http://www.flickr.com/photos/latitudes/
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JohnnyBlood said:
Interesting read:

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/016167.php
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Well, I think that the PowerLine blog should get a webmaster who understands how to add photos. If you just view the image on the PowerLine blog, you will notice that it is exactly the same as the photo in the Time magazine photo. However, for some unknown reason, the photo was reduced to 80% of it's size on the html webpage (very ineffecient, since they should have resized the actual image and show it at full size instead of making you download a larger photo and having the browser resample the photo to the constrained dimensions on the page). This resized image looks really badly oversharpened.

The other original Time photo, while mildly oversharpened, is not that bad. It appears that it was auto-PP with some default action to sharpen and boost contrast (which is why the gold looks overstaturated, IMO, not because of saturation). The text on the front page also looks too clear for the DoF (look at the back page text, which is closer to the focus plane, but more OOF), but my guess is that sharpening probably made the OOF title more clear.

By the way, here is the (unresized) PowerLine blog photo that you can see by just viewing the photo url. As you can see, it is the same as the Time photo, but the PowerLine web page resizing makes it much worse.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/hillary.jpg



And here is the Time photo:
http://img.timeinc.net/time/quotes/2006/12/1208_hillary.jpg

 
look like cr.. in unedited, untouched pics especially with bad make-up.

Didn't you ever see candid or close-up shots of the supposed to be so beautiful Hollywood stars in bad light and bad make-up. A freaking horror show.
 
nobody's questioning whether the wrinkles exist.. ie. I don't think anyone has suggested that somebody retouched in fake wrinkles. The question being raised was whether undue sharpening and other post-processing was applied to accentuate the wrinkles.
 
Tom Rowland said:
Do you guys think this image is manipulated?
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It's obvious that she's been cut out of another picture. There is now no background to give the photo any context.
Tom Rowland said:
How do you compare it to the Time image?
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She looks younger and she's smiling. We don't know when this photo was taken, so she may actually be younger. It is definitely more flattering, but the context is totally different.

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Dave Lewis said:
Um, you don't see "intelligent" and "patriotic" as contradictions.
I surely do.
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Mr. Lewis, Perhaps I am miss reading your post, and your thinking, but I take offense at the above statement.

My father enlisted in the Army at the age of 30 to serve in WWI. He lost his leg as a result of severe wounds. My father was both intelligent and patriotic. My brother dropped out of high school to join the Navy when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. My brother was both intelligent and patriotic. I joined the Navy during the Korean situation and served as a Navy Corpsman providing care to severely wounded Marines. Modesty prevents me from making too strong a statement as to either my intelligence or patrotisim. Others must judge me on those attributes.

You choose to see people as unintelligent because they are patriotic? How inane. I can only assume you consider yourself intelligent because you are not patriotic. Now does that really describe you, and your attitude to those who choose to serve their country during a time of need?

If so, Sir, then I hesitate to think what this country might be like had the people of the United States had that attitude during WWI. Or what this country would be like had the people of the United States had your attitude during WWII.

That you state in public that you feel intelligence and patrotism cannot go hand in hand says far more about you than it does about the people who have stepped up to serve this country.
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I think that the soldiers fighting for Japan and Germany in the last WW were also fairly 'patriotic'. So I take it that patriotism is a good thing, but only if you're a US patriot?
 
This looks unedited for IQ to me and appears realistic enough compared to when I saw her in person earlier this year.

 
All notions that defy intelligence and common sense. After all, why put anyone else above yourself? Doesn't make sense. Yet without these notions, we would be nothing more than intelligent animals.

Of course there is misguided patriotism and misguided loyalty, but to equate true patriotism with a lack of intelligence sounds like a justification for someone who has loyalty issues. I think someone is giving themselves too much credit for being intelligent.

At least we live in a country where patriotism is an option.
 
Yours is exactly the response I would expect to get from a military orientation. Not necessrily wrong or flawed but surely clouded.
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