E-400 lenses do not have metal mounts

The two kit lenses are small and lightweight so they do not exert too much of a strain on the lens mount. Canon, Nikon and Minolta have been making plastic mounts for their kit lenses for several years.

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I prefere metal mount but out there is Oly services which can change plastic mount after 5, 10, 15....years of use and not for big money I hope.
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Despite all the posts above disputing it or claiming I don't know
what I'm talking about, etc., I stand on that statement as I
originally wrote it. Read it again: I said that a plastic lens
mount isn't going to last as long as metal one. Folks, that's just
common sense.
Sure. It isn't going to wear as much due to abrasion. That seems common sense enough to me. But there are other issues. For instance what about impact issues. Is the plastic mount more likely to be resiliant, or is it more likely to break? Will a metal mount bend and need replacement instead? I certainly don't know the answers to these questions.

But the bigger question is that even if the plastic mount wears faster than a metal mount, does it matter? How much faster? If the metal mount lasts a hundred years and the plastic only fifty, who cares?
The million dollar question: If plastic lens mounts are better or
the same as metal ones, don't you think that ALL the camera
manufacturers would've switched by now?
First, I think they are all using plastic mounts in at least some lenses. But more importantly, the chosen material can easily be a matter of perception as much as a matter of engineering superiority.
Just for the record (and somewhat sarcastically speaking), if I
ever needed to use a gun, I'd want it to be metal, and if I had a
choice, I'd always rather fly in a metal versus plastic airplane.
I don't share these prejudices. I know that aluminum has a fatigue life regardless of the stress load. And I know that the quality of craftsmanship and manufacture are what matter most in a gun.
Also, I'm not every going to buy a plastic fishing rod for $600
I bought a nice but not extremely nice composite fly casting rod for my wife and it cost over $300 about 5 years ago. I think its hard to find fishing rod that isn't "plastic". Even the cheap casting rods I bought for myself were composite plastic.
(which is what my camera and plastic mount kit lens cost), and all
my golf clubs were originally my fathers -- real metal and wood,
like man was intended to use when golfing. Plastic golf
clubs....sheesh.... (LOL)
Yeah. Those golfers drooling over advanced composite golf clubs are just silly aren't they? Just like all the modern would be photographers who no longer use film, rely on autofocus and autoexposure and want lenses with those stupid plastic lens coatings instead of just using "real" glass through and through. :)

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i don't see what the whole hurrah os over. These are kit lenses. I sincerely dout high end zuikos are going to get skimped over with plastic mounts, and i sincerely doubt too many owners are going to regret getting these kit lenses.

I would prefer metal, but if I were getting the camera with kit lenses, and had no intentio fo eventually upgrading the lenses, I would not really care. Moreover, if I ddin't care to replace these lenses eventually, I would prbably be really green to photography, so I wouldn't knwo the difference.

I wonder if people get steamed about this stuff in the Nikon and Canon forums?

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But the bigger question is that even if the plastic mount wears
faster than a metal mount, does it matter? How much faster? If the
metal mount lasts a hundred years and the plastic only fifty, who
cares?
Maybe. Like you said, who knows? Maybe the metal mounts will only last 5 years and the plastic ones just one year... In the end, wouldn't it be better to get the one that you know is going to last longer, no matter what that length of time is?
I bought a nice but not extremely nice composite fly casting rod
for my wife and it cost over $300 about 5 years ago. I think its
hard to find fishing rod that isn't "plastic". Even the cheap
casting rods I bought for myself were composite plastic.
Yeah, I bought a plastic ocean combo for $59, but frankly, I'd like for my $600 purchases to be made of something a little more substantial than plastic, even if everyone is now calling it "composite". As "paternal presence" and "domestic engineer" I also have a broom and mop handle that are made of the same "composite" that NASA uses for space shuttle applications. In other words, as a stay at home dad and house husband, I have some mops and brooms with plastic handles. That still doesn't mean that I want to pay $600 for said brooms, whether they're called plastic, "space age polymer", "composite", etc. It's plastic. Albeit, a better grade of plastic than a disposable spoon, plate, or cup, but it's still the same thing -- plastic.
Yeah. Those golfers drooling over advanced composite golf clubs
are just silly aren't they? Just like all the modern would be
photographers who no longer use film, rely on autofocus and
autoexposure and want lenses with those stupid plastic lens
coatings instead of just using "real" glass through and through. :)
Hey, you would be surprised the number of golfers who actually are drooling over my "ancient" metal/wood clubs. Even the local pro that taught my teenage son during last Summer's "golf camp" took far more interest in my the clubs I loaned my son than the modern $2,000 custom sets that all the other brats were toting. Besides, when the business face of a driver is bigger than my size 12 shoe sole...really...where's the challenge/game anymore? When I play a good round of golf, it's actually saying something. Everyone else might as well just use a frickin' tennis racket as a driver.

The same thing can be said of photography, but I'm not complaining. I admit it -- I'm probably a lousey photographer. All of the great shots I get are all camera and luck. Given that it's mostly "equipment" versus skill for me when it comes to photography, I'd like for my lens mounts to be metal, please.

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--I'd avoid them like a plague. Thin plastic castings do not
strong mounts make. Even metal mounts abraid due to changing and
it will be far worse with plastic. They are clearly aiming these
at the absolute amateur P&S migrator.
And that wisdom comes where from? Using a cheap, plastic mount
Nikkor for 15 years with zillions of lens changes, but no problem.
More susceptability to abraision, more potential for in-camera dust too.

I can understand plastic camera shells, but not lens mounts. I was shocked to see the threads on the lens for the Sony R1 (expensive P&S) were plastic!

-Rich

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(Even a Glock has metal guides molded into the plastic frame.)
Lets just hope that people aren't changing their four-thirds lenses
with the same accelleration, velocity and forces that a Glock
undergoes when it is fired.

Heck, they make high perfromance softball bats out of composite
plastics and these things launch softballs over 300 feet.

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--The Glock is Nylon 6, cast, with proprietary "maxtrix" of some kind. Do they make real baseball bats out of plastic, or are they wood, aluminum and maybe carbon fibre? The forces acting on the lens mount are abraiding and corner wear forces, not impact. Which is why knives are not made of plastic, except for disposible ones!
-Rich

E-1, 14-45mm, 40-150mm, OM24mmf2.8, OM35mmf2.8, OM50mmf1.4, OM50mm macro f3.5, OM135mmf2.8, OM100-200mmf5, OM300mmf4.5, SHLD-2, FL-20.
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simply out of date. You can now get some truly superb composites that will outperform almost any metal in most ways, but they cost more. Look at a multi millions pound formula one car, most of it will be composite, not metal.

However "plastic" and "metal" are meaningless terms, there are so many variations. I bet, if you spent the money, you could make a composite lens mount that could outperform brass.

Having said that, I doubt the Oly plastic mount, which I've never seen, is THAT high tech, it doesn't need to be for a couple of small, light lenses.

But "metal good, plastic bad" is just misinformed.

I try and avoid generalising, but as a rule I'm pleased when I see light, strong, impact resistant plastic, and worried when I see cheap, heavy, frangible metal.

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(Even a Glock has metal guides molded into the plastic frame.)
Lets just hope that people aren't changing their four-thirds lenses
with the same accelleration, velocity and forces that a Glock
undergoes when it is fired.

Heck, they make high perfromance softball bats out of composite
plastics and these things launch softballs over 300 feet.

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http://www.jayandwanda.com
--The Glock is Nylon 6, cast, with proprietary "maxtrix" of some
kind. Do they make real baseball bats out of plastic, or are they
wood, aluminum and maybe carbon fibre? The forces acting on the
lens mount are abraiding and corner wear forces, not impact. Which
is why knives are not made of plastic, except for disposible ones!
-Rich
1: the word plastic is being used to describe every type of advanced engineering material in this thread > the material would be sometype of FRP (Fiber Reinforced Plastics) or Poly Matrix Composite

2: the only area of the bayonet lens mount where wear is going to occur under normal useage is between the (female:carmera body) cam surface and the (male: lens) surfaces > the cam action only occurs during the last 10 to 12 degrees of movement (turning the lens to the stop)

3: the E1 lens mounting surface seen from the front of the camera (the front register) is actually very rough with a surface texture approximately of RA50 / E500 is approximately RA32 (RA=roughness average)

4: A Poly Matrix Composite can be formulated to provide 50% less weight than any type of metal alloy & 70% more strength

5: in the event that a camera is dropped the lens bayonet mounting ring retaining screws ARE the weak link in the design > very small area of thread engagement.

6: Aircraft structal members are made from Poly Matrix Composites (carbon fiber being used to describe these components like plastic in this thread) landing gear components are being made from MMC's Meta Matrix Composites

7: Designers & Engineers typically use FEA (Finite Element Analysis) to establish the required material tensile & yield strenght, impact resistance, micro hardness, surface hardness etc. Olympus isn't a backward corporation when it comes to mateial sciences, actually providing tools to industry for checking sub-micron study and inspection.

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StanJR
 
simply out of date. You can now get some truly superb composites
that will outperform almost any metal in most ways, but they cost
more.
So....you're saying that my plastic...uh...composite mount kit lens would actually cost more than my metal mount one?

I don't think I'm out of date, I think that the manufacturing process is just getting cheaper (as in inferior). Everything that was once metal, is now being manufactured as plastic for less money -- not more money. Plastic isn't the new improved way, it's the new cheaper way of manufacturing things. Call it carbon, composite, glycolburberflatulant...whatever. It's plastic. That's not generalizing...that's just calling a spade a spade.
 
simply out of date. You can now get some truly superb composites
that will outperform almost any metal in most ways, but they cost
more.
So....you're saying that my plastic...uh...composite mount kit lens
would actually cost more than my metal mount one?

I don't think I'm out of date, I think that the manufacturing
process is just getting cheaper (as in inferior). Everything that
was once metal, is now being manufactured as plastic for less money
-- not more money. Plastic isn't the new improved way, it's the
new cheaper way of manufacturing things. Call it carbon,
composite, glycolburberflatulant...whatever. It's plastic. That's
not generalizing...that's just calling a spade a spade.
Well let’s take your ‘A Spade is a Spade F1 multimillion dollar racing team’. You’ve spent 18 million dollars going from Aluminum alloy to Magnesium alloy to Titanium alloy transmission cases and you have learned that your competitors are developing Plastic (Polymer Matrix Composite) transmission cases that are 50% lighter, 70% stronger, 35% smaller than your current Titanium alloy transmission case. The composite additionally will allow your competitors to increase ‘all parameters’ even maximum allowable oil temperatures in the transmission case. But NO you are to stubborn to accept the facts derived from ‘Predictive Engineering’ using advanced tools like ‘Finite Element Analysis’, ignore your 37 mechanical engineers, six material scientist, aerodynamic specialist etc., and insist on staying with your NOW obsolete Titanium alloy transmission cases.

A Spade is a Spade F1 multimillion dollar racing team > disappears from the face of the earth into the history books, and automotive museums.

PS > before you purchase your next personal vehicle, make sure it doesn’t have a computer designed ‘plastic’ intake manifold, brake calipers, brake disc (AlMMC’s = Aluminum Metal Matrix Composite) etc. Don’t drive on the ‘Composite Asphalt or Cement Roadways’, i.e. composites are 3 thousand years old going back to the first bricks made by human beings.

Thank you
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StanJR
 
you are calling every tool in the shed a spade, frankly.

If I had an infinite budget to design the ultimate ANYTHING, it would almost certainly end up being made of a composite, because by and large now you can, if you wish, design a composite with almost any desirable feature.

I dunno what the Oly mounts are made of, could be something simply nasty to save money, could be some superb and ultra tough material that out-performs brass in longevity while being much lighter. There mere fact it isn't "metal" tells you nothing.
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Carbon fibre/Kevlar is about as strong as it gets. They ain't metal...

However, I doubt it's made of that stuff, it's not terribly 'flexible', so not good for a removable lens mount, IMHO.

Could be a g/fibre reinforced plastic, which certainly should be.

This from a dinosaur who LIKES metal lens mounts.

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Up oil that is needed to make plastic.
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Up till today, I would have rejected "plastic" over "metal", but now I realize these terms are unprecise.

I think of bicycles; anyone old enough to recall that Reynolds 531 lugged frames were the best in the 1970's, and now we are back to welded frames, though, this time....with carbon-based (I think) frames?

Seems like everyone wants to race in a $5,000 "plastic" bike.

Angular Mo.

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Was the 14-42 much shorter than the 14-45 or 14-54?

I'm thinking of a GP zoom to add to my new E330 body (14-54 stays on the E1 for now). If the 14-42 is more compact than the 14-45, I may wait until it's available in the US.
 

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