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Ok - ok - yes another seculation thread - but for those on the fence 30D versus the speculation 40D -

For me I think I will pull the trigger soon on a 30D heres why:

30D has more than enough pixels so more of them wouldnt help

30D has a large enoght 2.5" lcd - whats next 3" I don't think manufactures can go much bigger then the current 2.5" models without making the camera king kong sized

If 40D is full frame - I don't want it either - I can't afford the best glass to utilize FF sensor - so I like using the sweet spot of my middle of the road lenses

cost - most likely the 40d will retail for about 1200-1500usd - I'm just guessing though - if that is the range - then I like the 30D which I can get with double rebates for near $925, about $300-600 more for a newer model probably can't justify

the "lets pick apart the flaws in this new model time period" - well - the 30D has been around just long enoght to know what works and doesn't work as specified - I don't need to be the test pig for 6 months after the release.
 
So you've chosen a camera that you can buy now over one that doesn't exist!

While your justification for doing so is pure speculation on what this non-existing camera might or might not have that you may or may not desire, you still arrived to the correct conclusion that having a camera now and taking pictures is 100 times better than speculating and dreaming about a camera that doesn't yet exist. Many people here on dpreview actually prefer the latter.
 
The 40D will be just an interim model until the 50D arrives -- Canon's answer to the Nikon D300. If you buy the 30D now, then you can happily use it until the 50D arrives. Feel better now?
 
YellowBullet said:
. . you still arrived to the correct conclusion that
having a camera now and taking pictures is 100 times better than
speculating and dreaming about a camera that doesn't yet exist.
Many people here on dpreview actually prefer the latter.
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Well put YellowBullet.

Maybe the others aren't really interested in photography - just the cool equipment that comes with it and the image it projects.
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Glenn NK
Victoria, BC

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Congrats indeed... now you can invest the extra 500+ dollars that would have gone into the new model into some L or other high end glass, where it really counts :)

Good luck!
 
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I can't afford the best glass to utilize FF sensor - so I like using the sweet spot of my middle of the road lenses
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So, it's really come to this kind of absurd logic? You can't afford a 50mm 1.8?

Boy, to think all of us using film based Canon SLRs as professionals with those non L lenses must have really been stupid because we were using the horrid outsides of the frame. So, lets increase the sensor density some more because we ll know the lens kits that will be sold with the 40D will be of better quality than the lens kits sold with the 20D and 30D :-)
 
Glenn NK said:
YellowBullet said:
. . you still arrived to the correct conclusion that
having a camera now and taking pictures is 100 times better than
speculating and dreaming about a camera that doesn't yet exist.
Many people here on dpreview actually prefer the latter.
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Well put YellowBullet.

Maybe the others aren't really interested in photography - just the
cool equipment that comes with it and the image it projects.
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Equipment projects an image? You mean with a 1D I can get the hot chicks, like,
in truckloads? :-)
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sportster64 said:
If 40D is full frame - I don't want it either - I can't afford the
best glass to utilize FF sensor - so I like using the sweet spot of
my middle of the road lenses
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A "middle of the road lens" on a 5D will resolve more detail and put less stress on lens resolving power than the same "middle of the road" lens on an imaginary 12MP 1.6 crop 40D.

There is no such a thing as "sweet spot". You're not using the corners of the lens (helps if the corners are horrible), but you're cramming more pixels into the middle of the lens, which doesn't help at all if the lens' resolving power isn't that great to begin with.

Only the sharpest primes at f/8 and f/11 outresolve the current dSLR sensors. So cramming more pixels on the sensor won't help at all. Case in point: XT vs. XTi. Just read Phil's review. With a very sharp prime, and at f/9, there isn't much difference between 8Mp and 10MP. With a "middle of the road" lens, the difference is zero.
 
YellowBullet said:
YellowBullet said:
If 40D is full frame - I don't want it either - I can't afford the
best glass to utilize FF sensor - so I like using the sweet spot of
my middle of the road lenses
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A "middle of the road lens" on a 5D will resolve more detail and
put less stress on lens resolving power than the same "middle of
the road" lens on an imaginary 12MP 1.6 crop 40D.

There is no such a thing as "sweet spot". You're not using the
corners of the lens (helps if the corners are horrible), but you're
cramming more pixels into the middle of the lens, which doesn't
help at all if the lens' resolving power isn't that great to begin
with.

Only the sharpest primes at f/8 and f/11 outresolve the current
dSLR sensors. So cramming more pixels on the sensor won't help at
all. Case in point: XT vs. XTi. Just read Phil's review. With a
very sharp prime, and at f/9, there isn't much difference between
8Mp and 10MP. With a "middle of the road" lens, the difference is
zero.
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I've read your last paragraph twice - and it really hit home why the pixel race is so stuipd. Thanks.
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Glenn NK
Victoria, BC

The ability of the mind is limited only by attitude; which is controlled by the mind.
 
Whichever you choose, they'll be another model out before you know it. Camera bodies are like PCs but have 12-18 months to end-of-life (from a sales and marketing point of view). From a taking pictures point of view the skill of the photographer is much, much more important than the body and bodies don't get anymore less capable becuase a newer model hits the streets. You migfht get a better deal on a 30D if you wait, but you'll miss a lot of pictures.
 
Not a chance.
sportster64 said:
Ok - ok - yes another seculation thread - but for those on the
fence 30D versus the speculation 40D -

For me I think I will pull the trigger soon on a 30D heres why:

30D has more than enough pixels so more of them wouldnt help

30D has a large enoght 2.5" lcd - whats next 3" I don't think
manufactures can go much bigger then the current 2.5" models
without making the camera king kong sized

If 40D is full frame - I don't want it either - I can't afford the
best glass to utilize FF sensor - so I like using the sweet spot of
my middle of the road lenses

cost - most likely the 40d will retail for about 1200-1500usd - I'm
just guessing though - if that is the range - then I like the 30D
which I can get with double rebates for near $925, about $300-600
more for a newer model probably can't justify

the "lets pick apart the flaws in this new model time period" -
well - the 30D has been around just long enoght to know what works
and doesn't work as specified - I don't need to be the test pig for
6 months after the release.
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I have a 10D and keep convincing myself that lenses and just taking pictures are better use of my money to enjoy photography.

I would have upgraded to the 30D if it was 10 MP.

One thing that occurs to me is that 10 MP is becoming a barrier to Canon and Nikon due to the 5D and D2X. IF Canon wants to hit a home run, a 40D at 12 MP with 5D at 16 MP and 1Ds at 22 MP would be just that. Not sure if technologically they are ready to offer a 12 MP at the price point of a 40D.

So I just ordered the 70-200 f4 IS and will wait and see.
 
I'm waiting for the voice activated model. Just tell it what to do and presto - photo all done.
sportster64 said:
Ok - ok - yes another seculation thread - but for those on the
fence 30D versus the speculation 40D -

For me I think I will pull the trigger soon on a 30D heres why:

30D has more than enough pixels so more of them wouldnt help

30D has a large enoght 2.5" lcd - whats next 3" I don't think
manufactures can go much bigger then the current 2.5" models
without making the camera king kong sized

If 40D is full frame - I don't want it either - I can't afford the
best glass to utilize FF sensor - so I like using the sweet spot of
my middle of the road lenses

cost - most likely the 40d will retail for about 1200-1500usd - I'm
just guessing though - if that is the range - then I like the 30D
which I can get with double rebates for near $925, about $300-600
more for a newer model probably can't justify

the "lets pick apart the flaws in this new model time period" -
well - the 30D has been around just long enoght to know what works
and doesn't work as specified - I don't need to be the test pig for
6 months after the release.
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Ron in Vernon, B.C.
 
Listed for and selling for are two different things. No doubt one of bait and switch guys has it listed for $174, but guess what he's not selling it for that price!
 
it's not true. You might have gotten it for $2384 + applicable tax - rebates. You also had to buy another item to double your rebate. Your initial outlay was probably close or above to $3000! You'll also have to put quite a few hours into getting the price you claim--calculate the value of your time and add it to your price.
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Nimnar
 
If you have a camera you like using now why buy now? The technology is changing very fast and whatever you spend will have very little resale value in three years (notice I don't say 'value'). I almost jumped on the Dell 5D deal but I know I want a camera with the anti-dust sensor and better weatherproofing than the 5D. And I hate selling used equipment on ebay so I'm waiting. The 40D will definitely have the anti dust feature which I'm sure is great.

If you don't have a camera you like now then by all means grab the 30D and a couple of good lenses.
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Nimnar
 
nimnar said:
it's not true. You might have gotten it for $2384 + applicable tax
  • rebates.
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No taxes in NH, Fatwallet.com gives 3% off and Canon rebate is $600. Total cost - $1714 delivered.
nimnar said:
You also had to buy another item to double your rebate.
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Yep, I bought 430EX which I was going to buy anyway and I'm going to get rebate for it too.
nimnar said:
Your initial outlay was probably close or above to $3000!
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$2728. And I will get $710 back as a rebate and fatwallet cash back.
nimnar said:
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What are you talking about? It took 2 minutes to place an order. Camera has already been delivered. What hours are you talking about?
 
not for people that ask that question.

they wil not be satisfied with anything that does not exactly match their neurotic list of "must haves"
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