Confirmed D60 to replace D30 at PMA

Peter G · Jan 25, 2002

Yes, this a technique for get around the limitation in the hardware to make one big sensor.

It is not using 2 separate sensors, like I have seen so many suggestions it would be a simple way to upgrade the d30. It would complex, expensive and problematic. Much, much better to use one big sensor.

Peter

Mr. Lee said:
http://www.towersemi.com/press/jan2099.html

-Lee

Peter G said:

Image-Size Reduction Relay Optics and Image Stitching Technology
With the Hybrid Seamless Imaging System (Dual CCD), an image passes
through the image-size reduction relay optics, then is split by the
half-mirror prisms into left and right halves, each of which is
received by the respective CCD, then rejoined to make a complete,
2.7-million pixel image. The Image Stitching Technology combines
the two images seamlessly by smoothing out each CCD’s
marginal sensitivity differences. Additionally, image processing
speed is dramatically enhanced by a multi-task processing,
real-time operating system and the DCAM-101(TM) CPU; an image
processing CPU designed for digital cameras.

In reference to the D60 or upcoming Canon DSLR, I will say it
again. It ain't gonna happen.

1 sensor. Hopefully with big pixels.

Lin Evans said:

Here's a review ---

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David SL · Jan 25, 2002

Yeap,

Two sensors would be a nightmare...3 would actually be easier (one for each primary) ..but that would be terribly expensive as well. Robert, most likely there is going to be 1 CCD in this rumored D30 replacement.

Regards,

Dsl

Peter G said:
Robert Schultz said:

JCDoss said:

Powder2glass said:

The sensor size is a more difficult question, making it
larger increases cost dramatically but how small are they willing
to let the pixels get.

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That's the key point, assuming that your source is correct. I
strongly suspect that if a new DSLR is designed to "replace" the
D30 at the same price point, it will have a sensor with a 1.5x or
1.6x multiplier. If that sensor will have six megapixels, then
either (a) the pixels will be smaller (something like 7um, but
somebody else should do the math...) or (b) will require the
involvement of interpolated pixels, like DavidP has been suspecting
for a while now. Neither of these is a good thing.

But, this is all hocus-pocus at this stage, unless you've seen,
handled, or have other evidence regarding this new camera you're
holding back!

JCDoss

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--DSL

eric_j_h · Jan 25, 2002

102 posts eh? 103 now.......and for what, idle speculation and banter. Do you honestly, honestly, honestly think Canon will bring out a 6mp CMOS SLR, just after releasing the 4mp CCD Canon 1D at $6000, and with a price the same as when the D30 was launched ($3000-3500).......are you all mad

JCDoss · Jan 25, 2002

Kenny Frank said:
...It does not make any sense to
announce a replacement and not have anything to deliver for that
long a period. Especially because I bet the competition will be
announcing (and maybe shipping) D30 equivalents as well.

...it seems to be happening already. Canoga Cameras, a vendor who has probably sold more D30s based on word-of-mouth advertising on this forum than any other vendor, has announced that they are "sold out" of D30s. Does this really mean that Canon has discontinued the D30? Greg Noble refused to comment when I asked.

(The good news is that Canon is required by law to make parts available for seven years. Good news for clutzes like me who haven't broken their D30's yet. And for those who will break their D30's again!)

The facts as they are on January 25 are:
(1) Canon had a niche product, the only one of it's kind in the industry.
(2) That product (the D30) was selling like hotcakes.
(3) There is a continued market for that camera.
(4) That camera seems to no longer be available to the buying public.

(Therefore) Canon appears to have done the inanely stupid, if only for a brief time. It appears that they have forfeited a virtual monopoly on a niche product.

Overheard in the Canon boardroom: BANG** "Ow!! My foot!"

JCDoss

AntoineB. · Jan 25, 2002

The title of this post "Confirmed" is misleading. Nothing is
confirmed! Canon reps and camera shops are the last to know
cause they can't keep a secret. Remember last time. They
were all wrong about the 1D.
AntoineB

Hideho! said:
102 posts eh? 103 now.......and for what, idle speculation and
banter. Do you honestly, honestly, honestly think Canon will bring
out a 6mp CMOS SLR, just after releasing the 4mp CCD Canon 1D at
$6000, and with a price the same as when the D30 was launched
($3000-3500).......are you all mad

Matt Kim · Jan 25, 2002

If you don't like Canon or the D30 itself, do something that will
hit Canon where it hurts, sell it and get something else!

I took action instead of whining. I sold my D30, if the 'D60" is
not what we'd like it to be, I'll either buy a 1D or the full frame Contax
1N. Whining will get you NO WHERE!

MAtt

Al Goldis said:
Matt Kim said:

Matt

Al Goldis said:

Michael Martin said:

Al Goldis said:

Is it just me, or would that announcement/availability be a
spectacular blunder?

Announcing the discontinuance and replacement in Feb. but not being
able to deliver the replacement until May or June would virtually
kill all sales for at least three months.

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You were expecting better from Canon????

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I was getting accustomed to Canon hosing its users but if that's
the case, then they would be hosing themselves just as much.

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Z (is real) · Jan 25, 2002

...reminds me of the Farside cartoon with the caption "Dogs are so cute when they try to understand quantum mechanics."

-Z-

Brian Hansen · Jan 25, 2002

Hideho! said:
102 posts eh? 103 now.......and for what, idle speculation and
banter. --

yeah, but its fun.

You do make a good point. What would make someone buy the
D1 if Canon came out with a camera with a good slick AF even in
low light, 6 mp, more features etc... for $3000-$3500. I don't think
anyone would spend $2000 more for a verticle grip and a sllightly
better build?? I could be wrong.

On top of that they just released the D1. When I calledl my camera store
here in Milwaukee (yeah we're a little behind) - I asked if they had heard
anything about a new digital SLR from Canon and the guy said, "yeah"
Needless to say I got excited until he said,"It's called the D1 and we should
have one in about a month".

Brian

DavidP #28649 · Jan 25, 2002

Ask the pro photojournalists why they'd still buy the 1-D.

Don't forget about the frame rate on the 1-D.

Canon built the 1-D for the pro market, and that's what they'll capture with it. They NEED the equivalent of the EOS-3 in digital for the "rest of us".

Brian Hansen said:
You do make a good point. What would make someone buy the
D1 if Canon came out with a camera with a good slick AF even in
low light, 6 mp, more features etc... for $3000-$3500. I don't think
anyone would spend $2000 more for a verticle grip and a sllightly
better build?? I could be wrong.

--The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net

eric_j_h · Jan 25, 2002

I can hear the banjoes playing in the background.......

Brian Hansen said:
here in Milwaukee (yeah we're a little behind) - I asked if they
had heard
anything about a new digital SLR from Canon and the guy said, "yeah"
Needless to say I got excited until he said,"It's called the D1 and
we should
have one in about a month".

Brian

Brian Hansen · Jan 25, 2002

Hideho! said:
I can hear the banjoes playing in the background.......

Those are actually Harpsichords you hear. What's a banjo?

Brian

eric_j_h said:
eric_j_h said:

here in Milwaukee (yeah we're a little behind) - I asked if they

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Glenn Rempe · Jan 25, 2002

That's not what it says now. Maybe they have changed it again since you posted. Now it says:

"Temporarily Sold Out! Call us for availability and more details at 800-201-4201. M-F 9-6 or Sat. 10-5 Pacific Time."

Glenn

Michael Hanson said:
Canoga Camera has sold out of D30's and the following message is
posted on the D30 ordering page:

Sold Out! New models and promotions are expected to be announced
Late February.

http://www.canogacameras.com/e/env/0001-929901-1642502092-28217507-7681-2G2i7/index.html?link=%2e%2e/info_pages/cam_info.html&item=invnew:52492

I just bought my D30 from Canoga yesterday so this must have been
posted today. My order must have been one of the last fulfilled,
because my order shipped today... I feel very lucky that I got one
of the last D30's from Canoga...

I know the D60 is about to be announced, but the D30 is a fine
camera and I look forward to having it in my hands real soon. It
is time to start saving for some more lenses!

Eug · Jan 25, 2002

If true, I think I'd be disappointed.

What I was hoping for would be a 3-4 MP CMOS consumer camera at less cost than the current CAD$3500. Ie. $2000 4 MP low noise SLR would suit me just fine.

If there is a new 6 MP camera, I hope lower end machines also exist for those of us less included to drop boatloads of cash.

Powder2glass said:
I recieved a call back from my local Canon Pro shop yesterday in
regard to my D60 questions. My contact spoke to a regional and a
national sales manager and they both confirmed that Canon will be
discontinuing the D30 offically at PMA and replacing it with the
D60 at the same price (likely to mean same list price) with planned
availability in May or June. They also confirmed that it will be
6mp CMOS but didn't give any further details.

Not surprising except for the price but very interesting none the
less. One could reasonably specualte that this would also mean a
similar form factor, lower lens multiplier, 3-4 fps, & better AF
almost has to be an assumption. If the new low end slr rumors are
true it may also mean a more EOS 3 like body but I'd be a bit
surprised if they went that far at a "D30 Price" since that is a
big price gap but not so big of a feature gap for
non-journalist/actions types.

p2g

DavidP #28649 · Jan 25, 2002

Two hours ago, it said what the original post said.

So, are they expecting more D-30's ?

Glenn Rempe said:
That's not what it says now. Maybe they have changed it again
since you posted. Now it says:

"Temporarily Sold Out! Call us for availability and more details at
800-201-4201. M-F 9-6 or Sat. 10-5 Pacific Time."

--The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net

Lin Evans · Jan 25, 2002

Michael Martin said:
Lin Evans said:

Michael Martin said:

Lin Evans said:

Al Goldis said:

Is it just me, or would that announcement/availability be a
spectacular blunder?

Announcing the discontinuance and replacement in Feb. but not being
able to deliver the replacement until May or June would virtually
kill all sales for at least three months.

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It wouldn't make any sense at all, nor does is make any sense to
"replace" a camera like the D30 with a 6 megapixel "clone". I'm
really surprised how speculation has run rampant from one post from
someone who's "pro-shop" said ........ It's like 4th hand
information which may have no relevance whatsoever to reality.

Why on earth would Canon produce a 6 megapixel prosumer level
camera at around $3500 when the competition (Kodak DCS-760) is
getting around double that? Canon's track record has never been one
of extreme discounting and high volume/low price versus per capita
profit. To keep credibility among professional photographers, it's
highly unlikely that they would do this. It would make much more
sense to produce a professional level six or greater megapixel
instrument to compete with the D1X and DCS-760 and sell on features
rather than on price.

Lin
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Canon's film cameras and now digital cameras are usually less
expensive than Nikons. Don't ever expect anything to cost as much
as Kodak's pro cameras. Just because the DCS 760 cost twice as
much as the D30, doesn't mean it should cost more.

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It doesn't make sense from a marketing perspective and doesn't
follow Canon's past record. Did they put a cut rate price on the 1D
and price it below the D1H? Of course not because they could
compete on features. Why start low and then discount? Marketing 101
says you price your products appropriately considering the
competition. Many would assume there was something wrong with a
camera which was priced at half their competition's MSRP,
especially when selling into the SLR market. I know I would be
highly suspicious if they were to market something like the DCS-760
for D30 prices.....

Lin
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The EOS 1D competes well with the Nikon D1H as well as the D1X. In
fact many samples of the D1X and the 1D show the Canon to produce
images just as good. So Canon's price of the 1D is very close the
to d1X.

Sure it does, that's why it doesn't make any sense for Canon to produce a true six megapixel camera with quality like the Kodak DCS-760 and price it like a D30......

Lin-- http://204.42.233.244

eric_j_h · Jan 25, 2002

So $2000 isn't boatloads of cash then??

Eug said:
What I was hoping for would be a 3-4 MP CMOS consumer camera at
less cost than the current CAD$3500. Ie. $2000 4 MP low noise SLR
would suit me just fine.

If there is a new 6 MP camera, I hope lower end machines also exist
for those of us less included to drop boatloads of cash.

Powder2glass said:

I recieved a call back from my local Canon Pro shop yesterday in
regard to my D60 questions. My contact spoke to a regional and a
national sales manager and they both confirmed that Canon will be
discontinuing the D30 offically at PMA and replacing it with the
D60 at the same price (likely to mean same list price) with planned
availability in May or June. They also confirmed that it will be
6mp CMOS but didn't give any further details.

Not surprising except for the price but very interesting none the
less. One could reasonably specualte that this would also mean a
similar form factor, lower lens multiplier, 3-4 fps, & better AF
almost has to be an assumption. If the new low end slr rumors are
true it may also mean a more EOS 3 like body but I'd be a bit
surprised if they went that far at a "D30 Price" since that is a
big price gap but not so big of a feature gap for
non-journalist/actions types.

p2g

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eric_j_h · Jan 25, 2002

Get out the film Deliverance from you video store...then you'll know what a banjo is

Brian Hansen said:
Hideho! said:

I can hear the banjoes playing in the background.......

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Those are actually Harpsichords you hear. What's a banjo?

Brian

Brian Hansen said:

Brian Hansen said:

here in Milwaukee (yeah we're a little behind) - I asked if they

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Michael Hanson · Jan 25, 2002

At the time I posted my message, that was exactly what was the D30 order page. I am sure after they posted the message on the website, they were flooded with phone calls asking about the D60. I don't blame them for changing it...

Glenn Rempe said:
"Temporarily Sold Out! Call us for availability and more details at
800-201-4201. M-F 9-6 or Sat. 10-5 Pacific Time."

Glenn Rempe said:

Sold Out! New models and promotions are expected to be announced
Late February.

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Eug · Jan 25, 2002

Well, it's a lot, but CAD$2000 is about US$1250.

Of course, I'd love a US$600 SLR 4 MP CMOS body, but that ain't gonna happen any time soon.

Hideho! said:
Eug said:

If true, I think I'd be disappointed.

What I was hoping for would be a 3-4 MP CMOS consumer camera at
less cost than the current CAD$3500. Ie. $2000 4 MP low noise SLR
would suit me just fine.

If there is a new 6 MP camera, I hope lower end machines also exist
for those of us less included to drop boatloads of cash.

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eric_j_h · Jan 25, 2002

I'd love the moon on a stick. But that isn't going to happen either.

Eug said:
Of course, I'd love a US$600 SLR 4 MP CMOS body, but that ain't
gonna happen any time soon.

Hideho! said:

Eug said:

If true, I think I'd be disappointed.

What I was hoping for would be a 3-4 MP CMOS consumer camera at
less cost than the current CAD$3500. Ie. $2000 4 MP low noise SLR
would suit me just fine.

If there is a new 6 MP camera, I hope lower end machines also exist
for those of us less included to drop boatloads of cash.

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