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Do you have a good link to more information on using two sensors. It just doesn't make sense to me. You have have the no-mans-land where the sensors line up. You can't just make up those pixels unless you actually split your light path and do an overlap and restich later. But thats just an ugly Kludge. You lose light from the split, and risk visible stich aberrations.

Only out of pure desperation would it be done today. It just shows how far-fetched the D30 replacement rumours are getting.

Peter
Lin Evans said:
Minolta....

Lin

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The words "frenzy" and "fever pitch" come to mind. At this rate, I'll come in here Monday morning and someone will have had their hands on the D60 already.
 
Ok Thanks. Interesting from a geek point of view, but really I still think it would take desperation to do this, not to mention I think it could only lead to inferior quality with some kind of splitter in the works:

Image-Size Reduction Relay Optics and Image Stitching Technology

With the Hybrid Seamless Imaging System (Dual CCD), an image passes through the image-size reduction relay optics, then is split by the half-mirror prisms into left and right halves, each of which is received by the respective CCD, then rejoined to make a complete, 2.7-million pixel image. The Image Stitching Technology combines the two images seamlessly by smoothing out each CCD’s marginal sensitivity differences. Additionally, image processing speed is dramatically enhanced by a multi-task processing, real-time operating system and the DCAM-101(TM) CPU; an image processing CPU designed for digital cameras.

In reference to the D60 or upcoming Canon DSLR, I will say it again. It ain't gonna happen.

1 sensor. Hopefully with big pixels.
Lin Evans said:
Here's a review ---

Lin

http://camerazon.com/minolta/dimage_rd_3000/?goto
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I agree except that I find the 3 focus points to be really annoying given the cost of the camera
ADC said:
ADC said:
p2g,> > I agree with you. Although this "news" of a new DSLR is very> exciting, I would rather concentrate on improving my photography> skills with the D30 than "upgrading". The D30 is a robust enough> DSLR that will let you capture just about everything you can> imagine under most normal circumstances. The picture quality of> this camera is just short of a miracle in my book.> > ADC> > Powder2glass wrote:> > The D30 is an easy camera to be content with. Even it's slow AF is> > easy to deal with if you anticipate it and look for areas with more> > contrast to focus on. For more contemplative photography it has few> > issues to push you towards something new. You have a great> > perspective from this standpoint as the most important thing is> > getting to shoot and improve so you can make the most out of what> > you have. There a plenty of people in this world that could> > outshoot me with a much less sophisticated camera, for the most> > part it's notthe camera that is limiting the quality of my photos.> > > > p2g>
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20% off list price, but the list price in the U.K is £5,500 (about $7,810) so my discount brings it down to the equavalent of ONLY $6250, still $700 more than you can buy it on the street now in the U.S. --Richard Lewisohnwww.lewisohn.co.uk
 
Lin Evans said:
Michael Martin said:
Lin Evans said:
Al Goldis said:
Is it just me, or would that announcement/availability be a
spectacular blunder?

Announcing the discontinuance and replacement in Feb. but not being
able to deliver the replacement until May or June would virtually
kill all sales for at least three months.
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It wouldn't make any sense at all, nor does is make any sense to
"replace" a camera like the D30 with a 6 megapixel "clone". I'm
really surprised how speculation has run rampant from one post from
someone who's "pro-shop" said ........ It's like 4th hand
information which may have no relevance whatsoever to reality.

Why on earth would Canon produce a 6 megapixel prosumer level
camera at around $3500 when the competition (Kodak DCS-760) is
getting around double that? Canon's track record has never been one
of extreme discounting and high volume/low price versus per capita
profit. To keep credibility among professional photographers, it's
highly unlikely that they would do this. It would make much more
sense to produce a professional level six or greater megapixel
instrument to compete with the D1X and DCS-760 and sell on features
rather than on price.

Lin
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Canon's film cameras and now digital cameras are usually less
expensive than Nikons. Don't ever expect anything to cost as much
as Kodak's pro cameras. Just because the DCS 760 cost twice as
much as the D30, doesn't mean it should cost more.
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It doesn't make sense from a marketing perspective and doesn't
follow Canon's past record. Did they put a cut rate price on the 1D
and price it below the D1H? Of course not because they could
compete on features. Why start low and then discount? Marketing 101
says you price your products appropriately considering the
competition. Many would assume there was something wrong with a
camera which was priced at half their competition's MSRP,
especially when selling into the SLR market. I know I would be
highly suspicious if they were to market something like the DCS-760
for D30 prices.....

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The EOS 1D competes well with the Nikon D1H as well as the D1X. In fact many samples of the D1X and the 1D show the Canon to produce images just as good. So Canon's price of the 1D is very close the to d1X.
 
mark Stephan said:
I agree except that I find the 3 focus points to be really annoying
given the cost of the camera
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Especially since only the center one really works.
mstephan said:
ADC said:
I agree with you. Although this "news" of a new DSLR is very
exciting, I would rather concentrate on improving my photography
skills with the D30 than "upgrading". The D30 is a robust enough
DSLR that will let you capture just about everything you can
imagine under most normal circumstances. The picture quality of
this camera is just short of a miracle in my book.

ADC
Powder2glass said:
The D30 is an easy camera to be content with. Even it's slow AF is
easy to deal with if you anticipate it and look for areas with more
contrast to focus on. For more contemplative photography it has few
issues to push you towards something new. You have a great
perspective from this standpoint as the most important thing is
getting to shoot and improve so you can make the most out of what
you have. There a plenty of people in this world that could
outshoot me with a much less sophisticated camera, for the most
part it's notthe camera that is limiting the quality of my photos.

p2g
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Michael Martin said:
How many lenses do we really need JC?
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It really depends on what we wish to photograph and how much we like primes. I currently have four (three primes) and plan to buy another three (two more primes). I am sure that many pros can get by with two or three L zooms.

My only current zoom is the 70-200/4 L which I mostly use outside. My primes are a 50/1.4 (fast portrait), 28/2.8 (compact normal) and a 24/3.5 LTS/E (landscape).

I really need something wider so I am buying a 16-35, longer (a 300/4 L IS) and I would also like a macro lens (100/2.8). Total cost around $3000, the probable street price of a D60.

That should do it for me unless I am unable to resist the allure of a 135/2.

When I buy a fullframe nor nearly fullframe camera, My 50/1.4 will become my normal lens and the 100/2.8 will be on portrait duty. The 16-35 will let me shoot ultrawide and the 300/4 will need a teleconverter. The 135/2 will become even more alluring. My dream camera is a hires 1D so I may be waiting a while.
 
The same thing occurred to me. It does not make any sense to announce a replacement and not have anything to deliver for that long a period. Especially because I bet the competition will be announcing (and maybe shipping) D30 equivalents as well.

Hopefully they are more or less ready to ship this. If the rumors are true that some of these cameras will be in the hands of pros prior to the show so they can participate in the introduction, unless they are prototypes, that should mean they are much closer to production than with past announcements... at least we can hope.
Al Goldis said:
Announcing the discontinuance and replacement in Feb. but not being
able to deliver the replacement until May or June would virtually
kill all sales for at least three months.
Powder2glass said:
I recieved a call back from my local Canon Pro shop yesterday in
regard to my D60 questions. My contact spoke to a regional and a
national sales manager and they both confirmed that Canon will be
discontinuing the D30 offically at PMA and replacing it with the
D60 at the same price (likely to mean same list price) with planned
availability in May or June. They also confirmed that it will be
6mp CMOS but didn't give any further details.

Not surprising except for the price but very interesting none the
less. One could reasonably specualte that this would also mean a
similar form factor, lower lens multiplier, 3-4 fps, & better AF
almost has to be an assumption. If the new low end slr rumors are
true it may also mean a more EOS 3 like body but I'd be a bit
surprised if they went that far at a "D30 Price" since that is a
big price gap but not so big of a feature gap for
non-journalist/actions types.

p2g
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Orlando, February 24.
yali said:
Anybody knows where and when ?

THanks
Powder2glass said:
I recieved a call back from my local Canon Pro shop yesterday in
regard to my D60 questions. My contact spoke to a regional and a
national sales manager and they both confirmed that Canon will be
discontinuing the D30 offically at PMA and replacing it with the
D60 at the same price (likely to mean same list price) with planned
availability in May or June. They also confirmed that it will be
6mp CMOS but didn't give any further details.

Not surprising except for the price but very interesting none the
less. One could reasonably specualte that this would also mean a
similar form factor, lower lens multiplier, 3-4 fps, & better AF
almost has to be an assumption. If the new low end slr rumors are
true it may also mean a more EOS 3 like body but I'd be a bit
surprised if they went that far at a "D30 Price" since that is a
big price gap but not so big of a feature gap for
non-journalist/actions types.

p2g
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yali
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yali said:
If it will be in Orlando, I can go to the PMA and see for myself.
Please

Anybody knows where and when ?

THanks
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Starts Feb 24th at the Orange County Convention Center in Orlando. Go to PMA's site for all the details:

http://www.pmai.org

Enjoy, it's a great show.

Ed-B
 
try this link. very interesting:

http://www.towersemi.com/press/jan2099.html

-Lee
Peter G said:
Image-Size Reduction Relay Optics and Image Stitching Technology
With the Hybrid Seamless Imaging System (Dual CCD), an image passes
through the image-size reduction relay optics, then is split by the
half-mirror prisms into left and right halves, each of which is
received by the respective CCD, then rejoined to make a complete,
2.7-million pixel image. The Image Stitching Technology combines
the two images seamlessly by smoothing out each CCD’s
marginal sensitivity differences. Additionally, image processing
speed is dramatically enhanced by a multi-task processing,
real-time operating system and the DCAM-101(TM) CPU; an image
processing CPU designed for digital cameras.

In reference to the D60 or upcoming Canon DSLR, I will say it
again. It ain't gonna happen.

1 sensor. Hopefully with big pixels.
Lin Evans said:
Here's a review ---

Lin

http://camerazon.com/minolta/dimage_rd_3000/?goto
--
http://204.42.233.244
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Mr. Lee said:
http://www.towersemi.com/press/jan2099.html

-Lee
Peter G said:
Image-Size Reduction Relay Optics and Image Stitching Technology
With the Hybrid Seamless Imaging System (Dual CCD), an image passes
through the image-size reduction relay optics, then is split by the
half-mirror prisms into left and right halves, each of which is
received by the respective CCD, then rejoined to make a complete,
2.7-million pixel image. The Image Stitching Technology combines
the two images seamlessly by smoothing out each CCD’s
marginal sensitivity differences. Additionally, image processing
speed is dramatically enhanced by a multi-task processing,
real-time operating system and the DCAM-101(TM) CPU; an image
processing CPU designed for digital cameras.

In reference to the D60 or upcoming Canon DSLR, I will say it
again. It ain't gonna happen.

1 sensor. Hopefully with big pixels.
Lin Evans said:
Here's a review ---

Lin

http://camerazon.com/minolta/dimage_rd_3000/?goto
--
http://204.42.233.244
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