TrekSF6
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It is a raw format being pushed by Adobe. It stands for digital negative. They are trying to get the camera makers to use a standard raw format. Looks like Pentax jumped in.
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Forget Canon, How about Pentax vs. Nikon?
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Kaj E
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The Pentax competes with Canon Digital Rebel XTi (Digital EOS 400) and possibly the Nikon D80.
Just hype, only proper cleaning gets it out of the camera.
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Where does the dust go? You don't want it flying around inside the camera. It's like vacuuming without a dust collection system.
Just hype, only proper cleaning gets it out of the camera.
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AdamScot
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Back when my only camera was a Pentax ME Super, I had a poster with all of Pentax's lenses on it. The choice was huge. Add the entire Tamron adaptall series, some of which were excellent (90 macro). This was before AF, so if you add all the AF lenses subsequently produced, then add a K10D, you have the largest range of "IS" lenses in the world. Now, they won't all be available second-hand, and they won't all be good on DSLRs, but I'm sure there are enough there to keep most people going until Pentax broaden their current lens range.
If I was just out of college and starting out on a professional PJ/editorial/general photographic career, I'd buy a K10D, an old manual 50 f1.7smc, a 28 f2.8smc, an old 200 or a Tamron 90 f2.5 macro. With a memory card, I'd have spent about £750. Bear in mind all these lenses work as IS/VR, and at least two of them (50 and 90macro) are fantastic qualilty, and that is incredible value for money. After a couple of years. if I needed to change to one of the bigger brands, there'd always be a cash-strapped student to sell my stuff on to.
Pentax have provided a great way into serious photography for anybody who doesn't have much spare cash. (Bit like they did with the original K1000).
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mrjoeyg
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I don't have the time to read all of the posts for this question so maybe it's been asked; but did you ask yourself this question? Will Pentax be around in 3 more years?
You need to look around and think about all of the camera company's that have already given it up. Pentax is not really putting a lot of new stuff on the market at any where near the rate of Nikon and Canon. The only real competition is probably going to be Sony and they don't seem to be taking off very well.
You need to look around and think about all of the camera company's that have already given it up. Pentax is not really putting a lot of new stuff on the market at any where near the rate of Nikon and Canon. The only real competition is probably going to be Sony and they don't seem to be taking off very well.
So that only means that Adobe want to make standart raw plugin for their product. So DNG is only type of format ... nothing like for example format with more information than standart RAW
I think that Pentax will be there becouse joining with Samsung will make them survive. Just like KM and Sony.
They didn't put many product on market but just wait until next year. New lenses and maybe K1D.
They didn't put many product on market but just wait until next year. New lenses and maybe K1D.
As far as we all know, body is plastic and subframe is metal. Like in D80 or any other entry-level DSLR.
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BoB
In Italy most shops just sell N and C. A few also Pentax and Olympus but you then pay a lot more for those.
And as regards used lenses, yes there may be some around but again not easy to find and therefore expensive anyway...
Anybody can correct me?
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And as regards used lenses, yes there may be some around but again not easy to find and therefore expensive anyway...
Anybody can correct me?
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Maybe maybe... how much of
our money is a maybe worth?Don't get me wrong, competition is good for us (otherwise there would be no progress) but who wants to be the one that pays for that?
Sony is having enough troubles with their new PS3 to put out a pro camera... and the A100 is not faring very well despite Sony's potential marketing capability (newcomers just don't buy it and most Minolta people had already switched camp...).
Now Pentax still has a big reputation (for what I understand) for medium formats among pro shooters but not so much for 35 or aps cameras. If only a few professional (=expensive) shops sell the K10D (like I see in Italy - perhaps different in other country) there is no way they can grasp a significant share of the market.
BoB
I agree. Pentax problem is that they are not so big as Nikon and Canon is in the way how good they are present in different market (countries). Also in my country the main stream have Nikon and Canon. In this way it is also easier to get used thigs and sell old stuff.Maybe maybe... how much of
Don't get me wrong, competition is good for us (otherwise there
would be no progress) but who wants to be the one that pays for
that?
Sony is having enough troubles with their new PS3 to put out a pro
camera... and the A100 is not faring very well despite Sony's
potential marketing capability (newcomers just don't buy it and
most Minolta people had already switched camp...).
Now Pentax still has a big reputation (for what I understand) for
medium formats among pro shooters but not so much for 35 or aps
cameras. If only a few professional (=expensive) shops sell the
K10D (like I see in Italy - perhaps different in other country)
there is no way they can grasp a significant share of the market.
BoB
Now D200 is one year old. In 3 years will be there new D200 and with much better specification than K10D is. and after this pentax will make better camera on paper...etc etc.
How I look on system is how easy is to sell lenses, how much used lenses are in the market where I'm buying...In this respect Canon and Nikon are the only possibility for me.
And yes competition is good for all of us.
same in my country.
hard to find used lens for example. hard to sell DS for example..or if you really want to sell it you must go way way under the price to sell it.
hard to find used lens for example. hard to sell DS for example..or if you really want to sell it you must go way way under the price to sell it.
AAK
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The K10D looks like a great camera. Looks like they got a lot of it right, but it's ridiculous to compare ANY unreleased camera with ANY other camera. So far, it's just a .PDF
I'll look at it when it comes out.
I got pretty excited about it until I saw the lens lineup. No matter what they were in the 60's -80's, they ain't that now. My last film SLR was a pentax and the glass was excellent.
However, there are monster gaps in the line, including some discontinued glass (where are the long zooms? No equivalent of the 70-200 2.8 VR!) and it's going to take them some time (probably a couple of years) to get their lens choices up.
And though they are supposed to support AS-F right now, so far, there are no lenses by any manufacturer that works with that camera.
Too bad, because it looks really good.
BTW, I like the D200 5fps and there's one other major missing problem. No wireless flash for the K10D. One of my major reasons for staying with Nikon is not just the excellent D200 body, but the CLS, which is nothing less than brilliant.
I'll be keeping my eye on the K10D. But for now, it just won't fit. Major leap for Pentax, though.
--theoretically--, it lets you buy better glass cheaper. But that certainly is not the case. Sony promised the same benefit, but so far, all their glass is MUCH more expensive without IS than the equivalent Nikon glass is with VR.
So much for the much-vaunted "savings" from in-camera VR. Every review so far also claims that in-lens VR adds 1-2 stops over in-camera VR on long-zoom lenses.
Just what I've read. All my glass is IS.
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I'll look at it when it comes out.
I got pretty excited about it until I saw the lens lineup. No matter what they were in the 60's -80's, they ain't that now. My last film SLR was a pentax and the glass was excellent.
However, there are monster gaps in the line, including some discontinued glass (where are the long zooms? No equivalent of the 70-200 2.8 VR!) and it's going to take them some time (probably a couple of years) to get their lens choices up.
And though they are supposed to support AS-F right now, so far, there are no lenses by any manufacturer that works with that camera.
Too bad, because it looks really good.
BTW, I like the D200 5fps and there's one other major missing problem. No wireless flash for the K10D. One of my major reasons for staying with Nikon is not just the excellent D200 body, but the CLS, which is nothing less than brilliant.
I'll be keeping my eye on the K10D. But for now, it just won't fit. Major leap for Pentax, though.
in-camera image
Boy, I'd love to know the advantage of the in-camera image stabilization.
--theoretically--, it lets you buy better glass cheaper. But that certainly is not the case. Sony promised the same benefit, but so far, all their glass is MUCH more expensive without IS than the equivalent Nikon glass is with VR.
So much for the much-vaunted "savings" from in-camera VR. Every review so far also claims that in-lens VR adds 1-2 stops over in-camera VR on long-zoom lenses.
Just what I've read. All my glass is IS.
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AAK
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No it isn't. It has a metal frame, just like the D200, except for it being some kind of metal that is not Magnesium alloy, ad that's why it's heavy for its size.
But it is not a plastic frame.
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It's out. ;-)
K10D supports wireless flash although it's not as sophisticated as Nikon's.
Pentax claims (so far it's just that I agree) 2.5 to 4 stops with As. Pretty close to what's Nikon and Canon are claiming for IS/VR. I'd like to see side by side comparison on this.
Manufacturers will leap frog each other with new models and improved features. If you change your system everytime a new model comes out you will waste a LOT of money and perhaps never be happy. The smart decision is to choose a major manufacturer that has what you want NOW, and then stay with that manufacturer as you add lenses and accessories, only changing systems if you feel that you absolutly must.
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Aleksander Kozak
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In high end segment you are right. But in case of D80 the problem exists. The same was with flashes, SB 28 etc on new Nikons...Not so nice.
Cultured Vulture
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Adobe has made DNG available for anyone to use without fee. Including other software developers for photo editiing. DNG is about the only thing about the new Pentax that attracts me. I wish Nikon would give us the option to save RAW files as DNG as well as NEF.
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