Canon D60 rumors harden

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As I've read in this forum some Dealers are giving out informations about the upcoming D60. It was rumored a 6MP, CMOS, 1,2 factor camera.

So I called my Dealer here in Germany and asked about the D60 (and the discontinuing of the D30) and he told me he isn't allowed to tell me something, I should tell him what I've heard.

I told him I heard 6MP, CMOS, and 1.2 Factor and he told me yes but I won't tell you when.

Seems that we're getting pretty close on the details.

Frank
 
I told him I heard 6MP, CMOS, and 1.2 Factor and he told me yes but
I won't tell you when.
My quess is in the autumn (we'll get a D30 replacement in the
low price range before that), but I hope I'm wrong...
(And I hope I win some money in lottery in such case... but
I'm not saying I would get any better photos with such camera;
it just sounds to be a nice new toy.)

Vesa
 
I told him I heard 6MP, CMOS, and 1.2 Factor and he told me yes but
I won't tell you when.
My quess is in the autumn (we'll get a D30 replacement in the
low price range before that), but I hope I'm wrong...
(And I hope I win some money in lottery in such case... but
I'm not saying I would get any better photos with such camera;
it just sounds to be a nice new toy.)
Or he was just kidding with you (us). Such camera most probably WILL
come some day, some year...

Vesa again.
 
As I've read in this forum some Dealers are giving out informations
about the upcoming D60. It was rumored a 6MP, CMOS, 1,2 factor
camera.
So I called my Dealer here in Germany and asked about the D60 (and
the discontinuing of the D30) and he told me he isn't allowed to
tell me something, I should tell him what I've heard.
I told him I heard 6MP, CMOS, and 1.2 Factor and he told me yes but
I won't tell you when.

Seems that we're getting pretty close on the details.

Frank
I still don't understand why it has to be a REPLACEMENT - why would a 6mp not be an addition to the dSLR line? A 6mp CMOS will likely be priced somewhere between the D30 and 1D, so the D30 would still fill a niche. The only other reason the D30 will be discontinued is there will be a new entry-level digital EOS along with this D60.

Mark
 
Maybe the D60 is a cheap low-spec camera and the 6Mp device is really a D3.

David
As I've read in this forum some Dealers are giving out informations
about the upcoming D60. It was rumored a 6MP, CMOS, 1,2 factor
camera.
So I called my Dealer here in Germany and asked about the D60 (and
the discontinuing of the D30) and he told me he isn't allowed to
tell me something, I should tell him what I've heard.
I told him I heard 6MP, CMOS, and 1.2 Factor and he told me yes but
I won't tell you when.

Seems that we're getting pretty close on the details.

Frank
I still don't understand why it has to be a REPLACEMENT - why would
a 6mp not be an addition to the dSLR line? A 6mp CMOS will likely
be priced somewhere between the D30 and 1D, so the D30 would still
fill a niche. The only other reason the D30 will be discontinued
is there will be a new entry-level digital EOS along with this D60.

Mark
 
We need to realize that Canon is not in a vacuum. There are other companies in the marketplace and they all have plans to go after the DSLR market at the midprice point. There are many reports that Nikon will be releasing their ~$3000 DSLR at PMA. If Canon does not REPLACE the D30 with a more capable camera it would lose a lot of momentum that it has already gained by having almost two years of dominance is this sector.

In addition there is obviously a large market sector in the ~$1500 range but I think it will be at least another year before we see an offering there..
Bill
As I've read in this forum some Dealers are giving out informations
about the upcoming D60. It was rumored a 6MP, CMOS, 1,2 factor
camera.
So I called my Dealer here in Germany and asked about the D60 (and
the discontinuing of the D30) and he told me he isn't allowed to
tell me something, I should tell him what I've heard.
I told him I heard 6MP, CMOS, and 1.2 Factor and he told me yes but
I won't tell you when.

Seems that we're getting pretty close on the details.

Frank
I still don't understand why it has to be a REPLACEMENT - why would
a 6mp not be an addition to the dSLR line? A 6mp CMOS will likely
be priced somewhere between the D30 and 1D, so the D30 would still
fill a niche. The only other reason the D30 will be discontinued
is there will be a new entry-level digital EOS along with this D60.

Mark
 
This differs from what I have heard in the U.S. Without naming sources, a well placed Canon engineer related that the company was having a technical/cost issues with producing a larger CMOS chip (although, they still think that this is the way to go.) This is the rationale for releasing the 1D with a CCD.

When I asked him why didn't Canon just place two 3 mp CMOS chips side by side and discard the edge data (Instead of the CMOS area being 0.625 of a 35 mm frame it would now be 1.25), he just turned ashened and refused to answer any more questions. Perhaps, I was on to something?
As I've read in this forum some Dealers are giving out informations
about the upcoming D60. It was rumored a 6MP, CMOS, 1,2 factor
camera.
So I called my Dealer here in Germany and asked about the D60 (and
the discontinuing of the D30) and he told me he isn't allowed to
tell me something, I should tell him what I've heard.
I told him I heard 6MP, CMOS, and 1.2 Factor and he told me yes but
I won't tell you when.

Seems that we're getting pretty close on the details.

Frank
 
It seems that D30 is receiving the G1 treatment...My dealer also discontinuted it.

Should we expect a 4MP D30 with slight improvements?

The good news is what ever Canon is releasing, it would be in the price range of the D30 unless they decided to get rid of the non-pro market for digital SLR. That would make a few people unhappy!
 
If the stories are to be believed about production having stopped on the D30, AND the rumors of a 6MP $3500 SRP camera, then it would make sense if they are going to also be making a "Digital Rebel" or slightly scaled down D30 shooting at a lower price point.

I WAS believing that the D60 was not going to be available until the fall based on previous Canon announcement patterns, but if the stories of the D30 being gone are true, then Canon BETTER have the D60 ready to go soon (I doubt they would have stopped making the D30 unless the D60 is ready to go), or else they would be doing (in old PC terms) an "OSBORNE" (Osborne computers announced a new and improved model that obsoleted their old model but that they were late in delivering and went bankrupt).

If they can pull it off with the two new models, they would have a very compelling and very stong line up:

1D - Photojournalist and Sports camera at $5000. Good resolution and high speed firing with their best focusing system.

D60 - 6-MP at $3500 with 3 to 5 FPS, and a good AF system but not as good at the 1D. This camera is for "advanced amatuers" and pros that want quality of the image more than absolute speed of shooting.

Digital-Rebel - About 3 to 4 MP with 3 FPS at about $1200 to $1500 SRP. Maybe a scaled down body and features of the D30. Entry level Digital SLR. Get people hooked on Canon Lens system. Reading the rumor mill, Canon was thinking about a 2MP Digital Rebel, but my guess is that would be too hard to sell as an entry level camera (look at the questions this forum gets on the D30 versus the 5MP Point and shoots).

It is a classic marketing move to introduce a new product with more features than the old product at about the same entry point as the old product, AND/OR to offer about the same features at a lower price. A D60 and Digital-Rebel would do both of these at the same time.

A Digital Rebel would be close enough to the D30 to make the D30 nearly redundant. The current D30 owners would have a comfortable roadmap up to the D60. About the only people they disappoint is those that want a second identical D30.

Anyway, that ismy reading of the tea leaves.

Karl
As I've read in this forum some Dealers are giving out informations
about the upcoming D60. It was rumored a 6MP, CMOS, 1,2 factor
camera.
So I called my Dealer here in Germany and asked about the D60 (and
the discontinuing of the D30) and he told me he isn't allowed to
tell me something, I should tell him what I've heard.
I told him I heard 6MP, CMOS, and 1.2 Factor and he told me yes but
I won't tell you when.

Seems that we're getting pretty close on the details.

Frank
I still don't understand why it has to be a REPLACEMENT - why would
a 6mp not be an addition to the dSLR line? A 6mp CMOS will likely
be priced somewhere between the D30 and 1D, so the D30 would still
fill a niche. The only other reason the D30 will be discontinued
is there will be a new entry-level digital EOS along with this D60.

Mark
--Karl
 
Back in the fall I posted a thread about Canon's new release-lo and behold up pops the 1D. Hey all you guys that gave me such a hard time about the "rumored" post sit back and enjoy the time between now and when the new camera does show up and then you can really have a good time with the new toy. For now I'm first going to go to Salt Lake City for the Olympics and then to PMA. After that I will just sit back read all of the threads posted here and also wait for my new D30 replacement to come in.
Until then happy shooting.
Egon
As I've read in this forum some Dealers are giving out informations
about the upcoming D60. It was rumored a 6MP, CMOS, 1,2 factor
camera.
So I called my Dealer here in Germany and asked about the D60 (and
the discontinuing of the D30) and he told me he isn't allowed to
tell me something, I should tell him what I've heard.
I told him I heard 6MP, CMOS, and 1.2 Factor and he told me yes but
I won't tell you when.

Seems that we're getting pretty close on the details.

Frank
--Egon
 
...they would be doing an "OSBORNE"
(Osborne computers announced a new and
improved model that obsoleted their old model but that they were
late in delivering and went bankrupt).
I thought you meant they would be doing an assinine stunt, like riding a motorcycle into a brick wall or jumping off a tall building without a parachute like "Super Dave Osborne." I guess the analogy still fits! :-)
If they can pull it off with the two new models, they would have a
very compelling and very stong line up:

1D - D60 - Digital-Rebel

Anyway, that ismy reading of the tea leaves.
Not bad theorizing, Karl. February will be an exciting month, as much of this will either happen or it won't!

JCDoss
 
You raised an interesting point for discussion. The G1 was never discontinued, and in fact it is still advertised and available. Interestingly, the price point is about $100-200 less than the G2. The G1 still has a strong cult following and it has some abilities that the G2 doesn't (namely better IR).

When the D60 appears, I don't believe that D30 will be discontinued immediately. Also the D30 has probably come close to reaching its lowest price point ($2100 with the MD/Battery or about $1500 without). Adding a D60 with vastly improved abilities (greater # MP, improved focus, etc.) targeted in the $3000-3500 price range makes perfect sense to me..
It seems that D30 is receiving the G1 treatment...My dealer also
discontinuted it.

Should we expect a 4MP D30 with slight improvements?
The good news is what ever Canon is releasing, it would be in the
price range of the D30 unless they decided to get rid of the
non-pro market for digital SLR. That would make a few people
unhappy!
 
After that I will just sit back read all of the threads posted
here and also wait for my new D30 replacement to come in.
Man, reading old posts and waiting for your new D30 to come
in does not sound like fun to me.

My two cents

Bill
 
Since the G1 and G2 are pretty similar I imagine that the cost of tooling/equipment etc required to continue manufacture of both is minimal. In fact I assume that many parts are common. Whether the D30 is discontinued may depend on how similar/different its successor is. If its radically different I'd guess on the D30 being discintinued - if similar that they may coexist. I could easily be wrong (I'm sure I am!) - I still don't quite understand why Canon has so many models of camera in general - traditional manufacturing/economics would probably say that they should have more commonality to reduce costs... But like most companies - its probably sales/marketing that makes the decisions

The fact that there are rumors of the D30 being discontinued may point to the fact that the replacement(s?) is/are different enough. As always you could argue the other way also !! Time will tell..

P
When the D60 appears, I don't believe that D30 will be discontinued
immediately. Also the D30 has probably come close to reaching its
lowest price point ($2100 with the MD/Battery or about $1500
without). Adding a D60 with vastly improved abilities (greater #
MP, improved focus, etc.) targeted in the $3000-3500 price range
makes perfect sense to me..
It seems that D30 is receiving the G1 treatment...My dealer also
discontinuted it.

Should we expect a 4MP D30 with slight improvements?
The good news is what ever Canon is releasing, it would be in the
price range of the D30 unless they decided to get rid of the
non-pro market for digital SLR. That would make a few people
unhappy!
 
I'm in the same position as you.

I'm leaning towards waiting. Here are some thoughts.

If the replacement is about the same price and more capable then I should wait

If the replacement is too expensive for me then I assume some current D30 owners will sell and the ebay price for second hand may be lower/the price of a new D30 will reduce - I should wait

I don't absolutely need the rebate battery and microdrive (I already have both) so I would sell on ebay anyway (would probably get $275 (?) at the moment) - I would actually prefer a lower price without having to worry about the rebate - so I can wait

After all the rebate is there for a reason - I assume that prices will have to fall after this (unless there is a shortage of units before the new one comes in - quite possible)

I had been planning on using AMEX blue pricematching to get the D30 (will save $250). This might be more difficult with the D60 unless the bait and switch artists (A&M, Regency etc) use the new model to entice inquiries
  • people use these vendors to price match with.
Confusing situation - today I think I will wait - in the meantime I am enjoying my G2

P
I am ready to order my D30 (before the MD rebate ends) but will I
regret not waiting?
--
Mike Caldwell
'if your only tool is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a
nail'
 
After that I will just sit back read all of the threads posted
here and also wait for my new D30 replacement to come in.
Man, reading old posts and waiting for your new D30 to come
in does not sound like fun to me.

My two cents

Bill

Yea if you are sitting in the house that would be true, but as I said in the post that I will be traveling and traveling I will be---in my 38ft. custom Motor Coach therefore I will be looking at different scenery every day. So I drive to Utah for the Olympics and then to Florida for PMA--Lots of scenery. Egon
--Egon
 

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