400D helps Canon keep more than 50% of DSLR market

The effect on the average human hand of using something with the
Rebel's "ergonics" must be likened to the old Japanese tradition of
binding women's feet. :) Given the far superior handlilng
qualities of the other 10 megs out there, you'd have to really love
Canon to buy it, or have a major investment in Canon lenses.
That's hogwash. The vast majority of 350D/400D buyers are first-time SLR buyers with no investment in Canon lenses, or no attachment to Canon. And the 350D/400D have been top sellers. The 350D was the top-selling DSLR in the world last year. And the 400D, which actually has a modified, slightly larger grip, appears to be continuing that sales success. Clearly, most buyers have no problem with the 350D or 400D's design.

If you actually had an opportunity to take a 400D out for a spin, you would probably be quite surprised to find just how well it handles. That was the case with me and the 350D (XT). As a 10D and 20D at the time, I originally thought the XT's grip was way too small for me. But I bought one on behalf of a friend who wanted one as her first DSLR. Before handing it over to her, I took it out shooting, and after a short time I was surprised to find that I aclimated to the smaller size quite easily and quite enjoyed using the camera. I liked it so much I eventually sold my 10D and replaced it with the XT.

The handling on the XT/XTi is actually a lot better than most anti-Canonites make it out to be. All camera functions are right there under your right thumb. There's a prominent hook carved into the grip that grabs onto your middle finger. You don't need a gorilla grasp on the grip to comfortably handle or maneuver the camera. You don't need two hands to operate the camera. Heck, even the mode dial is on the right side of the camera (it's on the left side on most other DSLR cameras, necessitating that you manipulate it with your left hand).
 
As some of you may be aware, this is the time of the month of
October when many companies report their previously concluded
quarters' financial results. Canon was no exception and you may
have heard a blurb or two on you local business news.

The relevant web page to some of the readers here though will be
this one:

http://www.canon.com/ir/conf2006q3/p14.html

Where, according to Mr. Tanaka's verbal statement, is reported that
the 400D allowed Canon to keep over 50% of the market (after an
oblique reference to Sony entering the market.) He further states
that unit growth (not specified if over the previous quarter, or
the same quarter the previous year) was 31%.

So, it looks like the Rebel magic keeps on keeping on...
The effect on the average human hand of using something with the
Rebel's "ergonics" must be likened to the old Japanese tradition of
binding women's feet. :) Given the far superior handlilng
qualities of the other 10 megs out there, you'd have to really love
Canon to buy it, or have a major investment in Canon lenses.
Exactly, especially that the megapixel advantage of Cann is gone now. which was the main reason to buy one. maybe except cheap feeling of XT/XTi - maybe it's psychology - you don't feel sorry when you break or loose sth cheap - with the only difference that rebels feel cheep but are more expensive than competition.

With nikon D80 out now I wonder why would anybody buy not only an XTi but a 30D as well. or a 40D with 10 megs when they introduce one.
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Digital: you mean photography or equipment?
 
With nikon D80 out now I wonder why would anybody buy not only an
XTi
Because it's a couple hundred dollars cheaper, has a sensor-cleaning system, a bigger LCD, a larger RAW buffer, and a slight edge in image quality?
but a 30D as well.
Because it has a magnesium alloy body, a larger image buffer, lower image noise, and faster frame rate?
or a 40D with 10 megs when they introduce
one.
Because it'll be higher-spec'd than the D80, similarly spec'd to the D200, but several hundred dollars less than the D200, and a sensor-cleaning system, and have lower image noise than the D200?
 
With nikon D80 out now I wonder why would anybody buy not only an
XTi
Because it's a couple hundred dollars cheaper,
the difference is well reflected in quality
has a sensor-cleaning system, a bigger LCD,
LCD - that's my favourite argument
a larger RAW buffer, and a
slight edge in image quality?
hmmm. slight edge. meaning more plastic colors and smooth images?
but a 30D as well.
Because it has a magnesium alloy body, a larger image buffer, lower
image noise, and faster frame rate?
i'm fine with D80 body, buffer, noise and frame rate. ergonomics, build quality of a nikon is not matchable. besides isn't 30D a couple of hundred dollars more expensive? besides it is too heavy due to its metal body, has poorer viewfinder. smaller LCD as well?
or a 40D with 10 megs when they introduce
one.
Because it'll be higher-spec'd than the D80, similarly spec'd to
the D200, but several hundred dollars less than the D200, and a
sensor-cleaning system, and have lower image noise than the D200?
that is speculation. D200 is a special camera due to its weather-sealed body which no canon can match. but my target camera is D80 not D200 and it easily beats D30/D40. sensor-cleaning system does not change that. i don't need one anyway - there is a brush or a nikon dust-off software for this. more subtle.

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Digital: you mean photography or equipment?
 
--You can now buy a 20D for the same price as the new Rebel and they are LIGHT YEARS apart in terms of build quality and user comfort. The 30D and 20D and a good lens are probably the best deals out there.
-Rich

E-1, 14-45mm, 40-150mm, OM24mmf2.8, OM35mmf2.8, OM50mmf1.4, OM50mm macro f3.5, OM135mmf2.8, OM100-200mmf5, OM300mmf4.5, SHLD-2, FL-20.



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The effect on the average human hand of using something with the
Rebel's "ergonics" must be likened to the old Japanese tradition of
binding women's feet.
The Oly E400 and the rumored Nikon D40 ALL point to one thing: small DSLRs are desirable.

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With nikon D80 out now I wonder why would anybody buy not only an
XTi
Because it's a couple hundred dollars cheaper,
the difference is well reflected in quality
I've been abusing an XT ever since it came out. It's a tough little camera with plenty of quality. For the price of a D80, you can get an XTi plus a portrait grip (Canon BG-E3 is $130) and still have money left over. Plus, you get the anti-dust system, plus the larger buffer, plus the larger LCD, plus Canon's well-regarded CMOS sensor quality. All these things add up to a very nice value in the marketplace, which means the XTi is a very competitive product, and that's why it does so well.
has a sensor-cleaning system, a bigger LCD,
LCD - that's my favourite argument
a larger RAW buffer, and a
slight edge in image quality?
hmmm. slight edge. meaning more plastic colors and smooth images?
Look here and see which one has the more plastic and smooth images:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=20657808
but a 30D as well.
Because it has a magnesium alloy body, a larger image buffer, lower
image noise, and faster frame rate?
i'm fine with D80 body, buffer, noise and frame rate. ergonomics,
build quality of a nikon is not matchable. besides isn't 30D a
couple of hundred dollars more expensive? besides it is too heavy
due to its metal body, has poorer viewfinder. smaller LCD as well?
Nikon unmatchable? You're dillusional. Here's a dissection of a 20D. Plenty of excellent build quality. A very robust package. More than the D80.

http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissection&page=all

Same goes for the 30D, which also has similar build quality to the 20D. Buffering capacity is about double that of the D80, image noise is less, frame rate is higher, ergonomics are very good, viewfinder is very good, and the LCD is the same size as the D80's. The Nikon is not matchable? LOL. Your premise that "With nikon D80...why would anyone buy a 30D...or a 40D with 10 megs when they introduce one?" Also LOL.
or a 40D with 10 megs when they introduce
one.
Because it'll be higher-spec'd than the D80, similarly spec'd to
the D200, but several hundred dollars less than the D200, and a
sensor-cleaning system, and have lower image noise than the D200?
that is speculation. D200 is a special camera due to its
weather-sealed body which no canon can match. but my target camera
is D80 not D200 and it easily beats D30/D40. sensor-cleaning system
does not change that. i don't need one anyway - there is a brush or
a nikon dust-off software for this. more subtle.
That's funny. The D200 is "special" because it's weathersealed? How good is the weathersealing? D200 users have reported moisture intrusion into the "weathersealed" D200 body, like behind the LCD. Besides, do you know for certain that the 40D won't be weathersealed? Canon is very keen on responding to changes in the market, so it wouldn't surprise me if the 40D did the same. And you know for certain that the D80 "easily beats" the 40D, even though the 40D hasn't even been introduced yet?

Furthermore, you would rather have software-based dust-off rather than physically removing the dust from the sensor? Interesting. Most would much rather have a system that physically removed the dust from the sensor so that there aren't any dust specks to fix in the first place, rather than doing it with software. Besides, Canon's anti-dust system not only has a physical component (the ultrasonic AA filter in front of the sensor), but also a software component (for post-processing dust removal). You can use one or the other or both. Most would much rather go with the physical dust removal because THAT is the one that is "more subtle". After all, what's more subtle and less destructive than not having the dust spot there in the first place?
 
The effect on the average human hand of using something with the
Rebel's "ergonics" must be likened to the old Japanese tradition of
binding women's feet. :)
That's a Chinese tradition, not Japanese.

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Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed
 
Canon is traded on the NYSE (as well as Japanese stock markets and in Frankfurt), and these quarterly reports are to the public owners (shareholders.)

If you believe that Canon has misrepresented what they claim about the company then you can contact the US SEC and see what can be done.

However, I strongly suspect that you would be proven wrong in your allegations.

With the introduction of the original 300D Canon secured over 60% of the DSLR volume by market. As additional low price DSLRs entered the market that share naturally declined. Since the 300D, total annual volume of DSLR sales has doubled.

-gt
 
With nikon D80 out now I wonder why would anybody buy not only an
XTi
Because it's a couple hundred dollars cheaper,
the difference is well reflected in quality
I've been abusing an XT ever since it came out. It's a tough
little camera with plenty of quality. For the price of a D80, you
can get an XTi plus a portrait grip (Canon BG-E3 is $130) and still
have money left over. Plus, you get the anti-dust system, plus the
larger buffer, plus the larger LCD, plus Canon's well-regarded CMOS
sensor quality. All these things add up to a very nice value in
the marketplace, which means the XTi is a very competitive product,
and that's why it does so well.
OK Canon marketing dept is proud of you.
has a sensor-cleaning system, a bigger LCD,
LCD - that's my favourite argument
a larger RAW buffer, and a
slight edge in image quality?
hmmm. slight edge. meaning more plastic colors and smooth images?
Look here and see which one has the more plastic and smooth images:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=20657808
I looked.
but a 30D as well.
Because it has a magnesium alloy body, a larger image buffer, lower
image noise, and faster frame rate?
i'm fine with D80 body, buffer, noise and frame rate. ergonomics,
build quality of a nikon is not matchable. besides isn't 30D a
couple of hundred dollars more expensive? besides it is too heavy
due to its metal body, has poorer viewfinder. smaller LCD as well?
Nikon unmatchable? You're dillusional. Here's a dissection of a
20D. Plenty of excellent build quality. A very robust package.
More than the D80.
Yes it is more than D80.
http://www.pbase.com/gmr2048/20d-dissection&page=all

Same goes for the 30D, which also has similar build quality to the
20D. Buffering capacity is about double that of the D80, image
noise is less, frame rate is higher, ergonomics are very good,
viewfinder is very good, and the LCD is the same size as the D80's.
The Nikon is not matchable? LOL. Your premise that "With nikon
D80...why would anyone buy a 30D...or a 40D with 10 megs when they
introduce one?" Also LOL.
Yes your canon is very good. I prefer nikon. better and cheaper.
or a 40D with 10 megs when they introduce
one.
Because it'll be higher-spec'd than the D80, similarly spec'd to
the D200, but several hundred dollars less than the D200, and a
sensor-cleaning system, and have lower image noise than the D200?
that is speculation. D200 is a special camera due to its
weather-sealed body which no canon can match. but my target camera
is D80 not D200 and it easily beats D30/D40. sensor-cleaning system
does not change that. i don't need one anyway - there is a brush or
a nikon dust-off software for this. more subtle.
That's funny. The D200 is "special" because it's weathersealed?
How good is the weathersealing? D200 users have reported moisture
intrusion into the "weathersealed" D200 body, like behind the LCD.
Besides, do you know for certain that the 40D won't be
weathersealed? Canon is very keen on responding to changes in the
market, so it wouldn't surprise me if the 40D did the same.
Yes they are responsive and very keen to dominate all market segments . that is why i don't like canon.
And you know for certain that the D80 "easily beats" the 40D, even
though the 40D hasn't even been introduced yet?
You got me here.
Furthermore, you would rather have software-based dust-off rather
than physically removing the dust from the sensor? Interesting.
Most would much rather have a system that physically removed the
dust from the sensor so that there aren't any dust specks to fix in
the first place, rather than doing it with software. Besides,
Canon's anti-dust system not only has a physical component (the
ultrasonic AA filter in front of the sensor), but also a software
component (for post-processing dust removal). You can use one or
the other or both. Most would much rather go with the physical
dust removal because THAT is the one that is "more subtle". After
all, what's more subtle and less destructive than not having the
dust spot there in the first place?
Dust happens. That's true. Dust happens. You can't help it. Even in your dream Canon camera. But you have this subtle dust removal system. And a big LCD. Life is great.

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Digital: you mean photography or equipment?
 
about such reports or was just looking for an excuse to push Sony.
 
So like Toyota appeals to the lowest common denominator?! Maybe they make the best procuct for the best price.
 
Exactly, especially that the megapixel advantage of Cann is gone
now. which was the main reason to buy one. maybe except cheap
feeling of XT/XTi - maybe it's psychology - you don't feel sorry
when you break or loose sth cheap - with the only difference that
rebels feel cheep but are more expensive than competition.
With nikon D80 out now I wonder why would anybody buy not only an
XTi but a 30D as well. or a 40D with 10 megs when they introduce
one.
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Digital: you mean photography or equipment?
Because they offer BETTER IMAGE QUALITY?
Because you already have Canon lenses?

I have a 400D, to go along with my 5D. I would never consider buying a D80, as it would be a downgrade to either camera I already own.

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No, it wasn't about pushing sony. It was simply stating the simple fact that unless you know how many cameras were sold by each manufacture, it is not possible to know your market share, you can only guess.
 

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