Lenses for ny new 5D

The 100 mm is nice as a macro, but as a telephoto lens the 70-200
f/2.8 IS beats it. I want a better macro then the 100 mm for my
5D. Some of Canon's zooms are as good as primes, and certainly
better than most non- L primes. The 70-200 f/2.8 is a killer
walking lense for the 5D, perfect for grabbing people pics.
Perfect for scaring people away =)...

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I find it to do just the opposite. It gets me pictures; people deliberately "give" you shots when they see it. Many times with those who are apprehensive, simple asking will turn them into smiling posers. Nobody likes sneaks; the 70-200 screams " Say cheese!". In plain sight is how it's best used.
 
Well, if you're talking about those "Say Cheeze" photos, it will get people intimidated enough to do it. Nothing against this amazing glass, but I still think that regular primes are much better for self-discipline, good composition and convinience of size/weight. We're getting more and more spoiled by zooming... I hope I'm not the only person that understands it.
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I did not mean disrespect by correcting you. It was just my own experience I described. Generally speaking there are a lot of great lenses out there. Of course any lens comes with one compromise or another and one of the hardest tasks is to find those lenses matching your photographic style and your actual task. I thought I was through it already but whenever I try something different on my 5D I find something new to like.

Personally I found out that I have at least two different tasks at hand leading to two different usages of my lenses.

When travelling my setup has to be restricted in size and weight (and lens changing, if you have a girlfrind with you, who you want to marry some day). This is when I usually pack my 24-105L IS + 50mm 1.4. Some weeks ago I had been to London and my 24-105L IS was to Canon for exchange. So I used the 17-40L instead which was fine as well and which lead to very different pictures than the 24-105. It simply has its sweet spot between 24 and 35mm compared to the 35-70mm of the 24-105 and this shows in the pictures.

When I hang around near home I pack whatever I think is great for the task. This is when I use primes (except for the 50mm) most. 35mm 2.0 is great for street, parties, architecture or for landscapes. 50mm 1.4 is great for street and available light and to some extend for architecture or landscape. 85mm 1.8 is something I rarely use but it can easily replace a short tele and it is such a great lens that I simply can not imagine to give it away. 35mm + 85mm alone should give you a lot of photographic choices. And now I did the big mistake to get the 24mm TS which unfortunately came along as an offer I could not resist. I did not use it very much yet but I absolutely love it. Since I do street a lot (and whatever comes along when travelling) I want to make use of it for that purpose even though most owners use it rather with a tripod. But this is not my photographic style anyway. Using those primes again it get quite different pictures compared to using zoom lenses.

So at the moment I have in use:

24mm TS (great quality, about 540g and a bit (!) bulky, TS, low vignetting, low distortion, great with 1.4 TC as well, expensive, prime with no speed - simply fun to use)

35mm 2.0 (very good except for the borders, but doesn't matter too much in practise since I rarely have low light AND my subject in the corners at the same time - stopping down helps; speed, size & weight, affordable, mechanically not much fun sadly)

50mm 1.4 (great, small & leightweight, USM, fast, affordable; 1.8 would do nearly as well but is mechanical like the 35mm and of course has 2/3 stop less versatility; borders below aperture 2.0 not very good but again does not matter to me - simply fun to use)

85mm 1.8 (great, relatively small, USM, fast, affordable, sharp from 1.8 but CAs - great from 2.2 - simply fun to use)

17-40L (great, relatively compact, USM, here in Germany thanks to cashback at about 550 Euro "affordable"; sharp open, great from 5.6, weakness 17mm - simply fun to use)

24-105L IS (great for what it is, versatility, compact for what it is but the weight is at the limit for me, USM, IS, not really affordable anymore, sharp open, great from 5.6, weakness 24mm and to some degree 28mm and 105mm - simply fun to use)

Kenko TC 1.4 (for the 24mm TS, 85mm and for the 24-105L IS to get a bit closer to the subject)

I really do like the 35mm 1.4 since it would give the speed of the 50mm 1.4 and for my personal taste a bit more versatility than 50mm and it is by all means fun, fun, fun. But of course it is rather expensive and simply not small. On the other hand I could sell the 50mm 1.4 and the 35mm 2.0 for it (and add some) and get used to not having 50mm around anymore.

Since I do not carry around more than 3 lenses at a time there should be at least two lenses to drop (and mybe one to adjust the setup as needed) but I am at a point where I simply cannot decide.

So here are some choices which may inspire you a bit:

17-40L + 35mm 2.0 + 85mm 1.8

24mm TS + 35mm 2.0 + 85mm 1.8

24mm 2.8 + 35mm 2.0 + 85mm 1.8

24mm 2.8 + 50mm 1.4/1.8 + 85mm 1.8 (great on a budget!)

24-105L IS (+ 24mm TS) + 50mm 1.4/1.8 (would work with two lenses and some software like PTLens for 24-28mm)

24mm 2.8 + 50mm 1.4/1.8 + 135mm 2.0

24mm 2.8 + 50mm 1.4/1.8 + 105mm Macro (if you need macro)

Sigma 12-24 + 35mm 2.0 + 85mm 1.8 (real wide)

A 200mm 2.8 would add well to all those setups if you are into tele. A 35mm 1.4 could replace the 35mm 2.0 for the cost of size, weight and price of course.

Maybe this input helps a bit to make up your mind. Clearly we are speaking of street photography here since any bird photographer and a lot sport reporters would surely sneer at this setup.

Have fun!

TORN
 
Wow! What can I say? This is great!
I did not mean disrespect by correcting you.
I did not feel any :-)
It was just my own
experience I described.
Exactly what I am looking for :-)
Generally speaking there are a lot of great
lenses out there. Of course any lens comes with one compromise or
another and one of the hardest tasks is to find those lenses
matching your photographic style and your actual task. I thought I
was through it already but whenever I try something different on my
5D I find something new to like.
Exactly my problem :-)
24mm TS (great quality, about 540g and a bit (!) bulky, TS, low
vignetting, low distortion, great with 1.4 TC as well, expensive,
prime with no speed - simply fun to use)
Yeah, that one stays in the list, as does the 45 TS-E.
35mm 2.0 (very good except for the borders, but doesn't matter too
much in practise since I rarely have low light AND my subject in
the corners at the same time - stopping down helps; speed, size &
weight, affordable, mechanically not much fun sadly)
Same thoughts.
50mm 1.4 (great, small & leightweight, USM, fast, affordable; 1.8
would do nearly as well but is mechanical like the 35mm and of
course has 2/3 stop less versatility; borders below aperture 2.0
not very good but again does not matter to me - simply fun to use)
I just added it to my list!
85mm 1.8 (great, relatively small, USM, fast, affordable, sharp
from 1.8 but CAs - great from 2.2 - simply fun to use)
Stays in my list.
17-40L (great, relatively compact, USM, here in Germany thanks to
cashback at about 550 Euro "affordable"; sharp open, great from
5.6, weakness 17mm - simply fun to use)
I've read it distorts, more on wide zooms later.
24-105L IS (great for what it is, versatility, compact for what it
is but the weight is at the limit for me, USM, IS, not really
affordable anymore, sharp open, great from 5.6, weakness 24mm and
to some degree 28mm and 105mm - simply fun to use)

Kenko TC 1.4 (for the 24mm TS, 85mm and for the 24-105L IS to get a
bit closer to the subject)
Any reason not to use the Canon 1.4x?
I really do like the 35mm 1.4 since it would give the speed of the
50mm 1.4 and for my personal taste a bit more versatility than 50mm
and it is by all means fun, fun, fun. But of course it is rather
expensive and simply not small. On the other hand I could sell the
50mm 1.4 and the 35mm 2.0 for it (and add some) and get used to not
having 50mm around anymore.
I thought a lot about it, but at 4x the price of the f/2, no, I just don't think I need it enough. The TS-E will be my primary lenses, the rest is mostly for fun. Yes, I am spoiling myself.
Since I do not carry around more than 3 lenses at a time there
Coming from LF and MF, 4 35mm lenses feel very light in a backpack :-)

Anyway, the main carrier will be the car. I'll select 2-3 for walking around, depending on the mood.
should be at least two lenses to drop (and mybe one to adjust the
setup as needed) but I am at a point where I simply cannot decide.

So here are some choices which may inspire you a bit:

17-40L + 35mm 2.0 + 85mm 1.8

24mm TS + 35mm 2.0 + 85mm 1.8
Would be my choice but I can have more, so...
24mm 2.8 + 35mm 2.0 + 85mm 1.8

24mm 2.8 + 50mm 1.4/1.8 + 85mm 1.8 (great on a budget!)

24-105L IS (+ 24mm TS) + 50mm 1.4/1.8 (would work with two lenses
and some software like PTLens for 24-28mm)
I'm not into software correction. Probably some phsycho-rigidity on my part.
24mm 2.8 + 50mm 1.4/1.8 + 135mm 2.0
the 135/2 is surely an amazing optical feat, on a Leica level, I'd say. But... been there, done that, I think it is over priced for my needs compared to the 135/2.8. The latter is consistently reported to be a great lens too and with a smoother bokeh, and that's more important than sharpness for portraiture, my main (only?) planned use for that focal length.
24mm 2.8 + 50mm 1.4/1.8 + 105mm Macro (if you need macro)
No need for macro :-)
Sigma 12-24 + 35mm 2.0 + 85mm 1.8 (real wide)
Funny you mention the Sigma. I just added it to my list. After some research, it appears to be the only ultra-wide lens where distortion correction has been given a higher priority than sharpness, which fits right with me. I've seen shots and tests, it looks amazing. Working aperture: f/16. Not a culture shock coming from LF :-) So, that replaces the EF 20/2.8 in my list.
A 200mm 2.8 would add well to all those setups if you are into
tele. A 35mm 1.4 could replace the 35mm 2.0 for the cost of size,
weight and price of course.
I removed the 200/2.8 from my list, because the longest lens I've used in the last 5 years has been a 90mm and I seldom felt a need for longer.
Maybe this input helps a bit to make up your mind. Clearly we are
speaking of street photography here since any bird photographer and
a lot sport reporters would surely sneer at this setup.
You've been a major help, thanks a million.
Have fun!
That's exactly my plan :-)
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OK, the list evolves.

It now stands as:

Sigma 12-24mm - gasp! a zoom!
24mm f/3.5 TS-E
24mm f/2.8
35mm f/2
45mm f/2.8 TS-E
85mm f/1.8
135mm f/2.8

1.4x TC

Total budget same as original list.

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Hi

Thanks for the concern, but the TC is to be used with the 2 TS-E lenses. They are not in the list but it is reported to work well by several photographers.

I can't find information on the resective merits of Canon, Kenko, Sigma and Tamron TC's, so I conservatively stick with the Canon.

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You, the fact that I agree with what you just said does not make my life easier :-)

I am tempted by the 24-70. I used to own the 28-70/2.8 L. So I will be tempted for the rest of my life, probably. I just decided it won't be in this batch. Never say never, of course, but it will be a while before I'll spend much money on this again. Some life milestones are looming :-)

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Hi again!
17-40L (great, relatively compact, USM, here in Germany thanks to
cashback at about 550 Euro "affordable"; sharp open, great from
5.6, weakness 17mm - simply fun to use)
I've read it distorts, more on wide zooms later.
Distortion is stronger at 17mm, less and comparable to the 20mm 2.8 at 20mm and between 24 and 35mm really not worse than any Canon prime, which makes this thing a good tool for me. I found out that distortion is giving me a lot more reason for postprocessing than vignetting or corners without maximum sharpness could ever do. I can stop down to eleminate (mostly) those but I can do nothing to change the distortion of the lens. And in my neverending learning process I try to do less postprocessing and more "doing it right from the start". Ok, this lens starts at aperture 4 but for someone doing what we like to do there are a lot worse solutions. For that purpose it's simply a nice walkaround.

The Sigma 12-24 is in comparison a very specialised lens. No 28mm, no 35mm. "Just" wide and ultra wide. As long as you need it that's great. I had both lenses and I liked them both. IQ was about the same. Handling of the 17-40L was better but hey. The Sigma has an extruding front lens so sorry no filter (careful when getting close to the subject at 12mm - you always think you have more room to get closer...). It seems that the actual series of this lens can take some filter foil at the backend of the lens. Both show distortion but mostly at the wide end. So when the Canon distorts at 17-20mm, the Sigma does it mainly at 12-15mm.

Both have a different purpose since but both have different sweet spots. Both are very comparable even in prize. I would say both are highly regarded.
Any reason not to use the Canon 1.4x?
I think not really. When using tele it is slightly better corrected towards the borders than the 3rd party brands. I am not sure anymore but I think you can not use the Canon TC with the 85mm? Please get a confirmation for that if you care. I am really not sure anymore. Surely it will not work with 50mm, 35mm and such. But it works with the TS-lenses. I went with the Kenko because it is close in IQ, less expensive, only for rare occasions and does not prevent me from using it with some lenses to get a bit closer to the subject.
I'm not into software correction. Probably some phsycho-rigidity on
my part.
Nothing wrong with that. I try to avoid it as well but I still have to learn more about photography to get there (at the moment I try a bit with a Rollei Two-Eyes and a Linhof LF, but I am rather the carry it with me type of guy) ;-) On the other hand I like to toy around with the software as well, so maybe this is a bit like the guys having their own chemical lab?
the 135/2 is surely an amazing optical feat, on a Leica level, I'd say.
Yes, yes, oh yes. I am still asking myself if it would be a better choice to combine the 85mm with my 70-200 4L and replace it collectively by a 135mm 2.0. When doing portraits I find myself not getting close enough with the 85mm on the 5D. It has a close focus distance of about 85cm which is often too much for me.
I think it is over priced for my needs compared to the 135/2.8.
Sure there are many differences. But as always you can judge your needs better than anyone else. I do have a 70-200 4L just in case but I really do not use it often. It's just on the shelf for those moments. Future will show what's going to happen to it. There is an old 70-210 3.5-4.5 on my shelf as well and for those rare occasions it has been allright as well.

Mechanically the 135mm 2.8 is again no real fun.

TORN
 
At this stage email or phone would be more practical :-)
The Sigma 12-24 is in comparison a very specialised lens. No 28mm,
no 35mm. "Just" wide and ultra wide. As long as you need it that's
great.
We are way beyoond the "need" factor, here! Right in the middle of "over-spoiled kid"! This lens looks a lot of fun (important!) and seems to be the ultra-wide with the least distortion. If not, it'll go on eBay at some moderate loss.
I had both lenses and I liked them both. IQ was about the
same.
Wow! I was going to get the Sigma expecting it to be inferior to the 17-40!
So when the Canon distorts at 17-20mm,
the Sigma does it mainly at 12-15mm.
Fair enough, miracles are still in the realm of gods.
Mechanically the 135mm 2.8 is again no real fun.
Like all the 1987 lenses, I'm afraid. They had other priorities, with a whole lens line-up to re-create. I'm confident I'll get a lot of fun anyway :-)
Torn, again, many many thanks.

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have a bulge that won't work with just any lens. Check the B & H stock. It will give you access to a list that will work with it. I bought the Kenko Pros when I had the older 80-200L because it wouldn't work with the Canon extenders. Some use a cheap Tamron.
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...and got a chance to try it on the 5D. Its main problem is that it flares like a lighthouse, both veiling and spots. At least the copy I tried was also very soggy in the corners at all apertures and almost all focal lengths; could be a bad copy though. (Worked great on the 20D, though.)

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There is no mention of T/S lenses being compatible.

EF 135mm f/2L USM
189 2.5 ~ 45 0.27 O
EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM
252 4.5*1 ~ 45 1.40 O*3
EF 200mm f/1.8L USM
280 2.5 ~ 32 0.12 O
EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM
280 2.5 ~ 32 0.22 O
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM
420 4 ~ 45 0.15 O
EF 300mm f/4L IS USM
420 5.6 ~ 45 0.33 O
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS USM
560 4 ~ 45 0.22 O
EF 400mm f/4L DO IS USM
560 5.6 ~ 45 0.17 O
EF 400mm f/5.6L USM
560 8 ~ 45 0.18 O
EF 500mm f/4L IS USM
700 5.6 ~ 64 0.17 O
EF 600mm f/4L IS USM
840 5.6 ~ 64 0.17 O
EF 1200mm f/5.6L USM
1,680 8 ~ 45 0.12 X
EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM
98 ~ 280 4 ~ 45 0.22 O*2
EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM
98 ~ 280 4 ~ 45 0.24 O
EF 70-200mm f/4L USM
98 ~ 280 5.6 ~ 45 0.31 O
EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
140 ~ 560 6.7 ~ 54*1 0.28 O*4*5
(O =possible X =impossible)

1 Data based on EOS models with exposures displayed in 1/2 stop increments. It varies slightly with the EOS-1v, EOS-1N, EOS-1 and EOS-3.

2 If the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM lens is attached to an EOS camera having multiple focusing points and an Extender is attached to the lens, only the center focusing point will be usable for AF.
3 The autofocusing range is from 0.8m/2.6ft. to infinity.

4 AF is ONLY possible with the EOS-1v and EOS-3 cameras, ONLY when using the center focusing point.

5 The Image Stabilizer does not operate with the following cameras: EOS 650, 620, 630/600, RT, 700, 750, 850, EOS-1, A2/A2E, 10s, Elan, Rebel/Rebel S, Rebel II/Rebel SII.


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