Suitable tripod for EF 500 L ?

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Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am considering to buy an EF 500 L / 20D.

I would like to take pictures of moving subjects using the tripod.

I read on Manfrottos homepage that if I want to follow moving objects with the camera, a "video" head could be a good idea.

What do you think, would be a suitable tripod / head ?

Many thanks in advance !
 
Use a Gitzo 1325, Kirk BH-1 ballhead and Wimberley sidekick, the sidkick turns the ballhead into a full Wimberley which is one of the best types of support for a large lens. As I use this set-up instead of the full Wimberley I can still use the ball head for landscape, macro etc.
The Gitzo is a great tripod, light for what it is, but very good support.
 
I have the Gitzo/sidekick combo. But after a year of dilligent practice, I now always hand hold for flying birds.

Here is the problem. Your movement is backwards to intuition. If the bird flies left to right, you need to move around the pivot point right to left.

Then there is the problem of aquiring the bird with the 20D. Half the time, I get the bird in the viewfinder and as soon as I press the shutter to start tracking, the lens starts hunting and goes to infinity and I lose the bird. I have better luck tracking and re-aquiring the bird if I hand hold.

Remember for a flying bird, you need fast shutter speeds, up around 1/1000 or higher. This is fast enough to elminate shake. The main reason for a tripod is to support the weight. I find I can hand hold the 500 for 30 seconds or more, which is more than enough time.

You need a way to support it between shots. For this I have two stratigies. For winter eagles, I take a portable chair and set down while waiting. If hiking, I have a tool belt with a pouch to put the tripod leg in, and it provides support while walking or standing.

I find the Gitzo sidekick combo the best for static pictures of perched birds, but never use it for fliers.

This is just my experience. If you have really good hand eye coordination, you may get good with the sidekick. My keeper rate went way up when I ditched it for hand held.

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A video head is typically damped for smooth panning, but is probably too damped for following fast birds. Most bird folks seem to prefer one of the flavors of gimbal head (lens mounted so it rotates about its center of mass). These range from the cheap but quite effective Bogen 3412 (aka the tuning fork) for about $150 the the deluxe Full Wimberley head for over 3 times as much. Various side mounted gimbal heads like the Jobu Black Widow, the Kirk King Cobra and the Wimberley Sidekick cost somewhere between these two extremes.

All of these work well enough and have their adherents. Personally I prefer the Bogen or the full Wimberley because they allow for mounting the lens with the foot pointed downward - much easier to do with a heavy lens than the side mounters.

One can use a ball head alone for the 500 (provided you use a heavy duty one like the Kirk BH-1 or Arca-Swiss B1), but ballheads place the center of mass of the lens above the center of rotation and thus have a tendency to let the lens flop over - perhaps catastrophically - unless well tightened.

Pick your poison....
 
Many thanks for the answer !

I also had the focusing problem with a 70-200/2.8 + 1.4 last summer on the Red Bull Air Race in Budapest even though I was shooting from hand ...
 
1320 is made of aluminium, the 1325 is made of carbon fiber, hence the 1320 weight of 3.29 kgs (7.2 lbs), the 1325 has a weight of 2.03 kgs (4.5 lbs). The 1325 can also take a little extra load.
In the UK the 1325 is nearly twice the price of the 1320!!
 
The Gitzo 1325 comes highly recommended. It is expensive, and I agonized over it after having just paid for the 500 f/4. I tried to get by with my Manfrotto 055Pro, but then ended up forking out for the 1325. It is a fantastic tripod - I can't recommend it highly enough.

Most people in these forums recommend the Wimberley sidekick with ballhead or full Wimberley. I went with the Manfrotto 393 gimbal (I think it's called Bogen 3421 in the US). It is only 1kg, allows the lens to be mounted upright instead of sideways, is 1/4th the cost of the Wimberley solutions, and works really well once it's set up to taste. There are people in the UK who use it with the Gitzo 1325 or 1548 tripod and 500, 600, 800 or 300-800 lenses.
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Ben, have you tried using a monopod? Why hold the lens up at all if you don't have to? Seems to me you could effectively track a moving subject on a monopod.
I have the Gitzo/sidekick combo. But after a year of dilligent
practice, I now always hand hold for flying birds.

Here is the problem. Your movement is backwards to intuition. If
the bird flies left to right, you need to move around the pivot
point right to left.

Then there is the problem of aquiring the bird with the 20D. Half
the time, I get the bird in the viewfinder and as soon as I press
the shutter to start tracking, the lens starts hunting and goes to
infinity and I lose the bird. I have better luck tracking and
re-aquiring the bird if I hand hold.

Remember for a flying bird, you need fast shutter speeds, up around
1/1000 or higher. This is fast enough to elminate shake. The main
reason for a tripod is to support the weight. I find I can hand
hold the 500 for 30 seconds or more, which is more than enough time.

You need a way to support it between shots. For this I have two
stratigies. For winter eagles, I take a portable chair and set down
while waiting. If hiking, I have a tool belt with a pouch to put
the tripod leg in, and it provides support while walking or
standing.

I find the Gitzo sidekick combo the best for static pictures of
perched birds, but never use it for fliers.

This is just my experience. If you have really good hand eye
coordination, you may get good with the sidekick. My keeper rate
went way up when I ditched it for hand held.

--
http://www.pbase.com/roserus

Ben
 
Many thanks for the tip !
I guess, I'll check it out.
Maybe I can get similar performance for less money.

On the other hand this could be true in case of the tripods ... here someone wrote that he regret the Manfrotto 055, and settled at the 1325.
 

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