AA Ni-MH Batteries vs. Nikons Li-ion ones

I specifically asked Thomas Distributing today on the phone to
explain the difference between the Maha C204X and the Maha 401FS.
They basically explained that the two chargers are comparable and
that they were not aware of any battery problems caused by the
C204X.
They would say that. But the 204 (like any "series charger" that puts 4 cells on two channels, or 8 cells on 4 channels) suffers from unequal charging and discharging. This has been documented over and over again. On low current chargers like the 204, all series charging does is reduce battery life. On high current "quick chargers", it has a tendency to explode batteries.

These references are more about discharging than charging, but the same principles apply to both:

Here's a nice explanation of the physics from the folks at Everready.

http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/nickelcadmium_appman.pdf

"When cells are connected in series and discharged completely, small cell capacity differences will cause one cell to reach complete discharge sooner than the remainder. The cell which reaches full discharge

first will be driven into reverse by the others. When this happens in an ordinary nickel-cadmium sealed cell, oxygen will be evolved at the cadmium electrode and hydrogen at the nickel electrode. Gas

pressure will increase as long as current is driven through the cell and eventually it will either vent or burst."

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/hobby/nicadred.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_metal_hydride_battery

This also agrees with my experience designing battery charging systems at Visteon and years ago at Cummins (long story, ends in a real bang).

And it agrees with my experiences moving from series chargers to independent channel chargers. I used to use a series Maha 204 (not the X with the power supply built in, the F with the external AC adapter). Even operating in a disciplined fashion, with the batteries labeled as sets, I noticed quite a performance decrease on the 2 or 3 year old sets. The first time I ran them through an independent channel charger was a revelation. It was one that didn't have the fancy LCD of the LA Crosse, but it was still an eye opener. The cells ended their charges at radically different times, some taking literally twice as long as others to charge. I did a little research to find out how bad unequal charging could be. The very worst culprit is a load like a flash or a camera that mixes low standby current of 1mA or less, with medium operating current around 100mA to focus a lens, run IS or VR, zoom a flash head, or run an AF illuminator, then a jump of 500mA to 2000mA to run the processor or big LCD for image review, or recharge the flash. This makes cells get unbalanced very quick, and series charging just exaggerates the unbalance. I times the recharge and found that most of my carefully matched sets were now unbalanced by a factor of about 2:1, so my 1800mA-H packs were effectively 900mA-H, and the 2100mA-H packs were like 1050mA-H.

It also provided an explanation of why one pack had recently vented in a flash.
I could not get any specifics out of them and in reading
their website posted information both chargers sound excellent. I
do like the thought of the completely independant charging of each
individual battery with the Maha 401FS. I would be interested to
know where you acquired your official information about the Maha
C204X causing battery problems.
Mostly from Sanyo literature on how to charge the batteries. It's nothing against the Maha 204 in particular, it applies to all 2 channel chargers.

Look at how Thomas Distributing talks about the 4 channel Maha 401 "This allows each battery to be charged to its full potential without risk of overcharging. The charger can charge one, two, three or four batteries."

The implications are that a series charger without independent channels, like the 204, will not let "each battery to be charged to its full potential" and that there is increased "risk".

There is necessary risk in this world, and unnecessary risk.
Choosing the C204X was a result of
reading the Thomas Distributing posted information and viewing
their charger comparison chart. If your information is accurate
than I would consider asking Thomas Distributing to exchange the
C204X for the 401FS. The price differential would only be $9.00 .
The Maha Powerex 2700mah Batteries seem to be very well
rated....The Maha 401FS won awards in 2002, but that was 4 years
ago....
The reasons it won the awards have not changed. Independent charging is simply better than series charging. Cells last longer and perform better.

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Especially considering that the "regular" Sanyo batteries are
2700mA-H and the eneloop are 1900 mA-H. At that level, the 6
eneloop only have 37% more power than a single EN-EL3e lithium, but
about three times the weight.
The packaging on the eneloop at Fry's Electronics read 2000 mAh. These batteries are for uses in which you need a long overall lifetime for the battery. They don't make sense in a camera, but they make sense in the remote controls and other low usage, long-life products. Also, if you don't know the battery level, you can just charge an eneloop when in doubt.

eneloop solves the killer issue for NiMH: shelf-life
 
I turned down the Maha chargers because they don't appear to have a slow charge mode, which I've read preserves the batteries. The LaCrosse charger has a 200mA charging current, and that current is easily changed to a higher value when you need it - PER charging channel. I've tried 500mA and 200mA. The batteries stay cool during 200mA but heat up during 500mA.
 
I seem to be getting somewhere between 700 and 1000 shots per EN-EL3e battery [charge]. This is shooting raw

Most of the time 1 battery is enough for a day.

I don't mind having to switch batteries once if needed during the day. I would mind the extra weight of the grip.
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1280 shots on a D200 w/ the MBD200, 2 en-el3e batteries, RAW + Large Fine JPG. No image review (I reviewed a few, but image review was not set to on), meter on 6 seconds, 70-200 VR w/ VR on the whole day.

It blew me away, as I never got more than about 270 - 300 images before I changed settings. A lot of the shots taken were bursts @ 5 FPS for action sequences.

Hope this helps.

Jay
 
Joe,

The Tamrac media wallet (the tall one) holds 16 batteries, in groups of 4, and is about the same dimension as a fardcase that holds 8.

Another plus is the convenient belt strap or ability to hang on a camera bag.

Jay
 
Especially considering that the "regular" Sanyo batteries are
2700mA-H and the eneloop are 1900 mA-H. At that level, the 6
eneloop only have 37% more power than a single EN-EL3e lithium, but
about three times the weight.
The packaging on the eneloop at Fry's Electronics read 2000 mAh.
Advertising stunt. The specs say basically it's guaranteed 1900mAH, may reach 2000mAH.
These batteries are for uses in which you need a long overall
lifetime for the battery. They don't make sense in a camera, but
they make sense in the remote controls and other low usage,
long-life products. Also, if you don't know the battery level, you
can just charge an eneloop when in doubt.

eneloop solves the killer issue for NiMH: shelf-life
Exactly. I want them in my flashlights.

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