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GLP said:
"All Non Nikon glass is junk"

"At only about $100, everyone MUST get the 50 1.8"

"Although I've never used it, I hear that (fill in the blank) is
not sharp"

"Is the Nikon xxx better than the Canon xxx"

"What do you think of this picture?"

Ad nauseum, Ad infinitum
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What's becoming even more common than most of that.....

a bunch of guys whining and trying to crack repeated jokes about people who are "beneath" them and their "stupid" questions.

Thankfully you are the minority, and the forums will still be used by the other 90% for the purposes originally intended.....

a community of people asking questions of those that have "been there" and want to help those that follow.

For everyone that has ever answered one of my questions... and those that still will....

Thank you.
 
...written with 6pt font face and long after the zoom-head position chapter which, by the way, don't mention the fact that with diffusion dome you cannot modify the head position.

However, the flash is wonderful and that's what it matters. pity about the manual.

miancu
ocrampix said:
miancu said:
I had this problem with the SB800 manual. An example: when
I wanted to learn how to adjust the zoom head position I had
problems. Imagine that there is not specified the fact that if you
attach the diffuser provided with the flash, the diffuser pushes a
contact that tells the flash to stick at 35mm focal equivalent for
the zoom head. I thought that the flash broke, because it didn't
even change zoom head when I zoom in or out on my lens.
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The SB-800 does not break that easily.
ocrampix said:
Then I
thought that is very unlike to have such a bad luck and I took out
the diffuser to closely inspect the flash head. Then I saw that
switch. And this IS NOT written in the manual, not even in the
troubleshooting section.
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Yes, it is.
Let me quote the text passage on page 101 of the SB-800 manual:

[quoting]

Attach the Nikon Diffusion Dome as shown
in the illustration.
• The zoom-head position is automatically set
at 14mm.

[unquoting]

...and in the "Troubleshooting" section on page 116:

[quoting]

Problem
-----------
The zoom-head position cannot be
adjusted to other than 14mm or 17mm.

Cause
--------
The built-in wide-flash adapter is in use or
the Nikon Diffusion Dome is attached.
p. 101
p. 96

[unquoting]

Seemed pretty clear to me when I read the fine SB-800 manual.

Marco
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Nikkor AF 50 f/1.8D
Nikon SB-800
 
I hear ya.

ALL forums need some sort of graduated membership like you have to read 500 posts before you can make your first post. Then you force the newbs who use this forum like a drop in centre to use the search tool.

As well those who have read the 500 posts will be acustom to the specific forum culture, what's appropriate to ask, what's too newb, what tone is acceptable.

If this kind of automated moderation were done I wouldn't have to wade through 4 pages of "50 1.8 vs 50 1.4" dribble
 
Green Destiny said:
I hear ya.

ALL forums need some sort of graduated membership like you have to
read 500 posts before you can make your first post. Then you force
the newbs who use this forum like a drop in centre to use the
search tool.
As well those who have read the 500 posts will be acustom to the
specific forum culture, what's appropriate to ask, what's too newb,
what tone is acceptable.
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"too newbie" .... brilliant tone.
Green Destiny said:
If this kind of automated moderation were done I wouldn't have to
wade through 4 pages of "50 1.8 vs 50 1.4" dribble
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who is forcing you ? Donr't click on them !

This thread is getting dumber the longer it goes on.
 
...not that people are asking questions, (after all tihs is what the forum is designed for), but more that people do NOT take the time or effort in trying to answer the question by themselves before storming onto the forum with their questions. Most of which have been answered before, and can probably be solved by using the search function.

There's a lot of people here that are offended by the topic of this thread, and I can't figure out why!?! The OP is not slamming people for asking questions, the topic is simply having the decency to do some research before asking the questions. The manual has most of the answers in it. Yes, I understand that the manual is not always that easy to read or understand, but I think that’s all in the way people approach it. The best way to read the manual is to do so slowly, and with the camera in hand. Try everything the manual is demonstrating, to fully understand what its talking about…nope, you won’t know everything in a day, or a week, so be aware of that and plug at it.

For those questions that can’t be found in the manual, do a search on the forum, if nothing is found…then you should ask questions. This stops us from answering/discussing the same questions endlessly. How many times in the last month have I seen someone ask about which 12-24mm lens they buy?? This topic has been discussed countless times, and a quick search reveals all the possible answers one would need.

I may be accused of being on my soapbox after this, and that’s okay. I just think everyone should help themselves before “screaming for help”. Ask yourself, if you were at work, and went to ask someone every time you didn’t see the answer immediately, where would your career be?!? What would your colleagues/managers think?!?

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I think before people become annoyed with other people, they need to learn a little about them. There's literature out there that explains how different people learn through different means. Some are visual learners, some tactile, some auditory.

Camera manuals are geared towards a particular type of learner. Unfortunately, the camera manufacturers don't include learning materials with the camera that are geared towards other types of learners.

Then there's people who learn well through reading, but if graphics and text are on the same page, their brain has a difficult time processing it. This includes some very intelligent people. I think this type of person actually might have an advantage in photography, because they are used to trying to get rid of extraneous information, and notice every detail.

Just because some people can spend time with the manual and learn that way, doesn't mean everyone can.
 
no questions on the forum at all. All a DSLR's are devices to bind certain laws of physics, Understand the laws of physiscs as they apply to light and electronics and do some experimentation and there should not be a single question on DPreview about photography or cameras at all.

"The gall of folk's to ask simple qusetions and waste the precious time of someone who is typing away on the internet" (tongue in cheek of course)

But Bob responds to lot's of question so I think he's just having a bad day.

Andrew
 
by research and some simple experimentation, hence there should be no questions at all if you excersize a high level of due diligence. The humerous part is to complain about people asking dumb questions while taking the time out to surf the net or DPreveiw. I am sure the OP is in betwenn saving lives while being annoyed by silly questions. To ba annoyed by a question that the answer can easily be found simply means a person is arrogant and presumptious. Perhaps they can't read.

jmho
Andrew
 
I understand where you're coming from and I work with computers for a living so I completely appreciate your statement. That said... I just want to be have instant and total knowledge of my new D80 and wish someone would hand hold me through the process. I detest reading manuals and I learn better by doing rather than reading. Manuals tend to be good if they apply real world examples for functions, not just an instruction of the function itself. Camera manuals are notorious for this and if you're inexperienced... this can be more frustrating than the not knowing itself. I myself will run to the manual about a particular function if I don't know, but will I read the whole bloody manual... not too likely. In fact, I'd venture a be that my manual will look brand spanking new in a year.

Forgive me father... for I have sinned ;). I'll try to read... but truth be known... I'd rather be shown! (I'm a poet and I didn't even knowit but my feet sure showit 'cause they're Longfellows and they smell like the Dickens.. yuk yuk)
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D80, 18-135mm Kit lens, Tamron 90mm, Nikon 80-200 2.8 AF-D, SB-800
Remember: The Immortal words of Socrates: 'I Drank what?'
 
When I started to shoot photography, I didn't have the internet to ask the world of stupid people how to turn my camera on. I had my two hands and my empty head. The best way to learn is by experience, word of mouth helps lead you in that direction.

This thread really got bumpin! haha.
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Yesterday is History.
Today is a gift, that is why we call it the present.
 
miancu said:
...written with 6pt font face
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So? Too small?
Download the PDF version and enlarge the text on your monitor to your liking.
miancu said:
and long after the zoom-head position
chapter which, by the way, don't mention the fact that with
diffusion dome you cannot modify the head position.
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Your point being?

The fact is that the information is right there on pages 101 and 116.

Yet you wrote, and I quote: "And this IS NOT written in the manual, not even in the troubleshooting section."

I really don't understand what you're complaining about.
miancu said:
However, the flash is wonderful and that's what it matters. pity
about the manual.
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I think that the manual is just as wonderful as the flash.
How else would I have been able to use my SB-800?

Marco
 
Having read this thread I looked back at my posts over the year

I ve given advice on travelling to India / Thailand / Bali {did that only last night} Vegas / Oregon coast / Yellowstone / Antelope canyon...Ok you get the idea.

These are things no manual will tell you I share cos I ve "been & seen". I have empirical evidence , it s still only my opinion but I often feel I can maybe enhance others experience.

But when I ve given a lot of info as I did a few months back about India and then 48 hours later there is another

"I am going to India thread ". I don t answer cos if they d even looked a little thru the previous pages they could ve found what they needed. I feel I ve tried....

So in many ways people not trying to find out them selves does become self defeating because those who know will eventually stop answering out of frustration . The examples I gave earlier, for humour more than anything are all in the manual but still are asked regularly . I don t feel superior cos I know .I ve learnt loads from this forum but do wonder at their "shortsightedness" so much so, now I ve started to doubt the quality of other information given here with such conviction .
The analogy above {and a lot of the above comments scare me with their vitriol}
of "You all obviously never ask directions"

Of course I do but if I was standing under a road sign that would ve answered me and still I asked I would feel .......
And as for "There is no such thing as a stupid question ....."
Hmmm I could ask a lot ! { Mostly non photo based tho ! }
When is the D90 coming out ?

Will it be better than the D200 ? Both pretty stupid cos any answer will be conjecture .

If there can t be stupid questions can we make up for it with stupid answers ?
Maybe this is one of them.
Sorry to go on.....
Bye & thanks for all the fish.
 
I can see that you're taking both my words and the words of the OP either out of context, or entirely too literal.

I have not said that questions should not be asked...what I said was that the correct amount of due diligence should be used. No, that won't answer every question, and I'm not expecting all users to spend hours looking for the answer....just some amount of time that they find reasonable. most answers can be found within a matter of minutes, which is sometimes quicker that you can get a response by posting a new question, no?!

I've answered many questions on this forum, some of them I would consider 'easy' questions...this has not stopped me for taking the time to answer them...but you must admit that the search function is available for a reason, and that many people who could have used it, have not.

Again, you can take my words as you wish (your porogative), but that doesn't change the fact that some 'self-help' should be applied.
Andrew Philip said:
by research and some simple experimentation, hence there should be
no questions at all if you excersize a high level of due diligence.
The humerous part is to complain about people asking dumb questions
while taking the time out to surf the net or DPreveiw. I am sure
the OP is in betwenn saving lives while being annoyed by silly
questions. To ba annoyed by a question that the answer can easily
be found simply means a person is arrogant and presumptious.
Perhaps they can't read.

jmho
Andrew
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