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f8_accpmpli said:
gevalia said:
I'm an engineer. We don't read manuals. Until well after we screw
something up that is.
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very true.

but we engineers would NEVER beg for help on any public forum. we
would design numerous expensive experiments, do exhaustive data
analysis, or even do literature search (which might actually may
lead us back to TFM) but we would NEVER be caught asking a forum
for help!!

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that which you can avoid doing altogether.
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I guess you guys don't stop and ask for directions when you're lost...

or you're geek enough to have a GPS (without maps of course, you just go by coordinates and calculate your exact location in your heads, right? ;-)

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That was going to be my response :-D

Actually, I picked up my camera and used my manual as a reference. I still haven't read it. If I had a question, would look it up.

Did get Thom's book and went through most of it.

But I'm the type of person where someone would bring me their watch to have me set it for them, how to program their VCR (this was way before OSD/P), ect...and of course they have no manual ;-)

Of course, the other day, having not used the timer or remote for so long, forgot how to access it, but only took a few minutes (was on my motorcycle, group shot at breakfast, manual 350 miles away @home. Thom's book on my laptop's hdd back at the hotel.

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..just one that you don't know the answer to.

What a lot of nonsense has been written on this thread. It seems the problem stems from the existence here of a number of posters who seem to think they own the forum. They then think they have a right to tell the rest of us how we should use the place.

Fortunately there are at least as many posters who are both very experienced and very helpful and are patient enough to offer us lesser beings some fantastic advice.

I would imagine the posters who get wound up by the "newbie" questions spend most of their lives in a constant state of annoyance as the world is full of irritation for those who wish to find it.

My advice would be, take a deep breath, count to ten and click on a different thread.
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Emeka U said:
...................... ”Give a man a
fish and he’ll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for
a lifetime”…I’m sure you’ve heard that proverb before. .............
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Of course I've heard it, but it really goes, ".....................Teach a man to fish and he'll drink beer for a lifetime".

Bob
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shades_uk said:
Is this thread only open to arrogant, condescending know-it-alls or
can anybody join in? I'm guessing this isn't the right place to
ask how I attach the strap to my camera? :)
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No, I think anybody can join. But some can be laughed at :) There's nothing wrong in being a beginner - heck, I am one - but there is something not quite right in plain laziness.

I haven't read my D80 manual, but I do have it and I will, when I get the time. I wouldn't want to come here and ask someone to spare some of his/her time to answer things that I could learn myself by opening one tiny booklet.

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ROBLATT said:
Hi there, Maincu-

Hey- I notice you have the 50mm 1.8....I have one, but can't get it
to work at f8....does it have something to do with the lock thingy
by the f22 number?
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Hi,

Well, I left it on its factory default which is - I think - on f22, indeed.
Mine works at 8. But in what sense it doesn't work ?

miancu
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Nikon D80
Nikkor AF 28-200mm f/3.5-5.6D IF
Nikkor AF 50 f/1.8D
Nikon SB-800
 
Andrew Philip said:
It is silly to condem people for taking a quicker more efficient
route to a solution than you did and not everyone can easily
understand manuals.
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Very well said.
Andrew Philip said:
It's a pity you feel that everyone should slog down the same road
to get to a solution rather than feeling that you could easily help
someone understand something in a tenth of the time by giving a
simple explanation to them as an alternative to hours of reading.
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IMO helping is one of the most beautiful thing we humans can do.
Andrew Philip said:
I would rather have someone give me an experienced quick answer
that would make more sense than spend hours reading and come away
with a partial understanding from a manual.
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Me too. I had this problem with the SB800 manual. An example: when I wanted to learn how to adjust the zoom head position I had problems. Imagine that there is not specified the fact that if you attach the diffuser provided with the flash, the diffuser pushes a contact that tells the flash to stick at 35mm focal equivalent for the zoom head. I thought that the flash broke, because it didn't even change zoom head when I zoom in or out on my lens. Then I thought that is very unlike to have such a bad luck and I took out the diffuser to closely inspect the flash head. Then I saw that switch. And this IS NOT written in the manual, not even in the troubleshooting section. Also, information provided is very badly structured and they make all the time references to "Camera Groups" without referencing the page of the table with info about camera groups (pages 8 and 9 from the manual). So if one is a slow learner it is very easy to overlook this "group" stuff and be puzzled because you don't understand what the heck this camera group is about. And this is even more confusing when reading about master and remote and groups and channels...

I agree, everybody should read the manual. There is important information. But I don't feel at all offended or bored or PO if somebody asks me something that is also explained in a manual. I'd better point the page and give additional information. And show modesty and tolerance.

At least this is the way I like to treat people.

miancu
Andrew Philip said:
P.S. don't forget to just hand your kid's the encylopedia
Britannica when they ask you what a cow is.

Thanks

jmho
Andrew
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Nikon D80
Nikkor AF 28-200mm f/3.5-5.6D IF
Nikkor AF 50 f/1.8D
Nikon SB-800
 
miancu said:
I had this problem with the SB800 manual. An example: when
I wanted to learn how to adjust the zoom head position I had
problems. Imagine that there is not specified the fact that if you
attach the diffuser provided with the flash, the diffuser pushes a
contact that tells the flash to stick at 35mm focal equivalent for
the zoom head. I thought that the flash broke, because it didn't
even change zoom head when I zoom in or out on my lens.
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The SB-800 does not break that easily.
miancu said:
Then I
thought that is very unlike to have such a bad luck and I took out
the diffuser to closely inspect the flash head. Then I saw that
switch. And this IS NOT written in the manual, not even in the
troubleshooting section.
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Yes, it is.
Let me quote the text passage on page 101 of the SB-800 manual:

[quoting]

Attach the Nikon Diffusion Dome as shown
in the illustration.
• The zoom-head position is automatically set
at 14mm.

[unquoting]

...and in the "Troubleshooting" section on page 116:

[quoting]

Problem
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The zoom-head position cannot be
adjusted to other than 14mm or 17mm.

Cause
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The built-in wide-flash adapter is in use or
the Nikon Diffusion Dome is attached.
p. 101
p. 96

[unquoting]

Seemed pretty clear to me when I read the fine SB-800 manual.

Marco
 
ya, thats why i stopped visiting the site for almost a year. read my old posts. i was always bitching about people being completely helpless and not being able to search the forums and read the manual. eventually i gave up. its a complete waste of time.

sadly having the forums arranged by camera completely removes your technical abilities out of the loop and puts every one together based on how much money you spend. and from my experiences in the last 5-6 years on the site, people tend to have more money than common sense.

my answer? there are other communities out there of non consumer users that although no where near the clean design and ease of use as dpreview, the people that are there are beyond asking stupid easy to answer questions and discuss topics that actually expand true knowledge of photography skills, technique and camera handling.

e
 
eric said:
ya, thats why i stopped visiting the site for almost a year. read
my old posts. i was always bitching about people being completely
helpless and not being able to search the forums and read the
manual. eventually i gave up. its a complete waste of time.

sadly having the forums arranged by camera completely removes your
technical abilities out of the loop and puts every one together
based on how much money you spend. and from my experiences in the
last 5-6 years on the site, people tend to have more money than
common sense.

my answer? there are other communities out there of non consumer
users that although no where near the clean design and ease of use
as dpreview, the people that are there are beyond asking stupid
easy to answer questions and discuss topics that actually expand
true knowledge of photography skills, technique and camera handling.

e
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We'll miss you
 
"All Non Nikon glass is junk"

"At only about $100, everyone MUST get the 50 1.8"

"Although I've never used it, I hear that (fill in the blank) is not sharp"

"Is the Nikon xxx better than the Canon xxx"

"What do you think of this picture?"

Ad nauseum, Ad infinitum
 
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