NikonD1x Vs. Cannon D1

Any constructive comment, experience, opnion, insight . . . I have read many reviews and have a informed idea of the two products. However, I would be thankful for any constructive comment, opnion, insight . . . Which one would you go with based on overall quality of product, software and manafactures support. I am coming from large format and am looking for overall quality. Thank You - Darius

Perhap you should check out the lenses and other parts of the systems first.

darius a said:

Any constructive comment, experience, opnion, insight . . . I have
read many reviews and have a informed idea of the two products.
However, I would be thankful for any constructive comment, opnion,
insight . . . Which one would you go with based on overall quality
of product, software and manafactures support. I am coming from
large format and am looking for overall quality. Thank You - Darius

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darius a said:

Any constructive comment, experience, opnion, insight . . . I have
read many reviews and have a informed idea of the two products.
However, I would be thankful for any constructive comment, opnion,
insight . . . Which one would you go with based on overall quality
of product, software and manafactures support. I am coming from
large format and am looking for overall quality. Thank You - Darius

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I am the owner of both D1 and D1x Nikon cameras. Cannon is ok but NOTHING equals the Nikon Lenses, for this reason, your choice is simple.--Greg GebhardtJacksonville, Florida

Check this site out...I would tend to disagree with Mr. Gebhart...based on
these shots...the canon lens seems much sharper.

http://www.1dvsd1x.photoresponse.com/

Greg Gebhardt said:

darius a said:

Any constructive comment, experience, opnion, insight . . . I have
read many reviews and have a informed idea of the two products.
However, I would be thankful for any constructive comment, opnion,
insight . . . Which one would you go with based on overall quality
of product, software and manafactures support. I am coming from
large format and am looking for overall quality. Thank You - Darius

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I am the owner of both D1 and D1x Nikon cameras. Cannon is ok but
NOTHING equals the Nikon Lenses, for this reason, your choice is
simple.
--
Greg Gebhardt
Jacksonville, Florida

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--Andy C

Wait til February. Crazy to buy either at present.

I love Canon but unless you fit into the Canon 1D profile (I don't) then the D1X's quality is just as good - perhaps better -and is cheaper.

Unless you really need a digital slr you don't need a digital slr.

Hire a D1X at least, I think too many people are getting the "I must have it because it is up to the minute" but unless you need it these cameras are very expensive and depreciate very rapidly. Would you buy a new Nikon D1 now? All the rage less than 2 years ago. Do you shoot every day for cash? If you do fine, if not these cameras are damn expensive for what they are.....and there will always be more problems with them than solutions.

Jerome Y

Andrew Chiciak said:

Check this site out...I would tend to disagree with Mr.
Gebhart...based on
these shots...the canon lens seems much sharper.

http://www.1dvsd1x.photoresponse.com/

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Andrew

I’m surprised to see you judging lenses on a digital camera, don’t you know that there are so many factures for an image being sharp on a digital camera, the way the pixels on the CCD are laid, the sharpening software inside the camera (this is enough to know using the same software you can adjust sharpening with different levels) etc…..

Why didn’t you say because the D1x holds more details that means the Nikon lens is sharper?

To judge lenses you need to examine it on film. Or on same digital body which is impossible

Dave

Andrew:

Interesting that you linked to this page. I've downloaded all the images, and the shots from the Canon 1D clearly show patterned (banding) noise in the right hand side. Its not too bad, but if you look carefully you will see it. The D1x images show no patterned noise at all. May not matter for casual/journalistic/sports use, but I can't imagine anyone coming from large format accepting it. The main problem is that you cannot exploit the dynamic range that should exist in the 1D. The minute you try to open up some shadows the banding will change from subtle to obvious.

Although it doesn't show on the images you've linked to, even the D1x has some slight banding noise that can present problems with some images. The difference between the 1D and D1x is that the D1x appears to have much more room for image manipulation.

Brian

Andrew Chiciak said:

http://www.1dvsd1x.photoresponse.com/

Greg Gebhardt said:

darius a said:

Any constructive comment, experience, opnion, insight . . . I have
read many reviews and have a informed idea of the two products.
However, I would be thankful for any constructive comment, opnion,
insight . . . Which one would you go with based on overall quality
of product, software and manafactures support. I am coming from
large format and am looking for overall quality. Thank You - Darius

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I am the owner of both D1 and D1x Nikon cameras. Cannon is ok but
NOTHING equals the Nikon Lenses, for this reason, your choice is
simple.
--
Greg Gebhardt
Jacksonville, Florida

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Andy C

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Greg Gebhardt said:

NOTHING equals the Nikon Lenses, for this reason, your choice is
simple.
--
Greg Gebhardt
Jacksonville, Florida

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I have been trying to decide which lense system to go with before choosing the digital camera and this is the first post I have seen that says nothing "equals", all the information and examples and ratings (photodo) says the Canon system does not equal but is GREATER than the Nikor lenses and many are switching based on IS.
Just MO from what I have researched so far.

orlandoom said:

GREATER than the Nikor lenses and many are switching based on IS.
Just MO from what I have researched so far.

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and that's because most of them are based on IS, not overwhole quality.

you ask about the 2, they say Nikon have better short lenses & Canon have

better long lenses, you ask why is that, they say because they have IS, & Nikon don't.
and who's those "they"? God knows how much they know.

Dave

I don't mean to go too far astray from this post, but since it was brought up.... In the old days if you had a 600/800mm lens you would need a strong tripod, a solid pan head preferably a ball head, and a sand bag to rest over the lens to keep the vibrations down from movement due to panning and/or the wind. IS/VR portends the ability to handhold these monsters at 12-15 pounds and still get excellent sharp photos. Additionally, their proponents advise against mounting them on a tripod as the IS/VR can intoduce vibration where none exists. How much of this is urban legend is beyound me to date in my reading. In watching football games you see the big lenses on tripods and monopods a lot. What you don't see are too many folks handholding a 600mm lens. No I could see an IS/VR lens on a monopod as there is sufficient movement to enable the IS workings and being an advantage. Other than that of what credible use is IS/VR technology on larger lenses as I would really like to know the answer.

Regards,
Trent

Dave_oz said:

Dave52127 said:

GREATER than the Nikor lenses and many are switching based on IS.
Just MO from what I have researched so far.

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and that's because most of them are based on IS, not overwhole
quality.

you ask about the 2, they say Nikon have better short lenses &
Canon have
better long lenses, you ask why is that, they say because they have
IS, & Nikon don't.
and who's those "they"? God knows how much they know.

Dave

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Dave_oz said:

Dave52127 said:

GREATER than the Nikor lenses and many are switching based on IS.
Just MO from what I have researched so far.

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and that's because most of them are based on IS, not overwhole
quality.

you ask about the 2, they say Nikon have better short lenses &
Canon have
better long lenses, you ask why is that, they say because they have
IS, & Nikon don't.
and who's those "they"? God knows how much they know.

Dave

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The" they" are found in the following link with two reviews of the nikon vr lenses and they state that:

"Canon is for some time now leading in image stabilization lenses so Nikon had to catch up. That is why many photographers were waiting how well they will do with their first one. Also Michael Reichmann was so positive about the Canon 100~400 f/4.5-f/5.6L IS zoom that I hardly could wait to have a Nikon VR lens in my hands.

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Nikon_VR_80_400/Nikon_VR_80_400.html

Like I said in my original post I am only reading and reseaching in order to make an informed decision as to which Lenses are best suited for my needs ( Nature Photography) and then get the best digital camera to match. The overall reviews are positive for the lense except its lack of AF-S. But if I look at all lenses on Photodo.com. Canon betters Nikon on most of its lenes.
Orlando

darius a said:

Any constructive comment, experience, opnion, insight . . . I have
read many reviews and have a informed idea of the two products.
However, I would be thankful for any constructive comment, opnion,
insight . . . Which one would you go with based on overall quality
of product, software and manafactures support. I am coming from
large format and am looking for overall quality. Thank You - Darius

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With respect to these two cameras an issue that is rarely mentioned is ergonomics. The slowest part of the image-capture system is my own eye-brain-hand circuit.

I have trouble shooting with any of the auto-focus Canon bodies because they divide the function of the command wheel on the back, the one that sits under your thumb, between EI compensation and Focus-Point designation. By default rotating the command wheel changes the Exposure Compensation. To change the Focus Point you have to press a button while you turn the wheel. When the fur is really flying I find myself changing the focus point in the viewfinder pretty frequently, and on the Canon I invariably change the EI unintentionally. Then I fumble with the camera, which inspires confidence in my clients, and often the shot I was scrambling to catch is gone.

Nikon gives you a separate dial for Focus Point designation and one for aperture and one for shutter speed. Three controls for three tasks. Much more intuitive for me.

I know that this does not trouble the thousands of folks who happilly shoot Canons and I'd like to know how they deal with the control layout.

Frank

The following is entirely subjective, my own experience and obviously contradicted by the thousands of people who shoot Canon. I'd be interested

Dave_oz said:

Dave52127 said:

GREATER than the Nikor lenses and many are switching based on IS.
Just MO from what I have researched so far.

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and that's because most of them are based on IS, not overwhole
quality.

you ask about the 2, they say Nikon have better short lenses &
Canon have
better long lenses, you ask why is that, they say because they have
IS, & Nikon don't.
and who's those "they"? God knows how much they know.

Dave

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some people buy Canon long lenses because the IS letter printed on them.

It doesn't matter that the IS may be useless because the lens is to haevy to hold and on tripod IS either should be turned off or questionably effective. If the IS on the long lenses is really working, I don't think Nikon can sell their non VR lenses any longer, not at "Nikon" priice.
--baruth

baruth said:

some people buy Canon long lenses because the IS letter printed on
them.
It doesn't matter that the IS may be useless because the lens is to
haevy to hold and on tripod IS either should be turned off or
questionably effective. If the IS on the long lenses is really
working, I don't think Nikon can sell their non VR lenses any
longer, not at "Nikon" priice.

--
baruth

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I guess that means "VR" on a Nikon lens is for the same purpose as "IS" on Canon. Nothing at all to do with trying to improve lense technology for better output/quality, just to fool the fool to spend more money. Thanks for educating me. I guess I will stay with my old film camera with manual focus lenses. I'm not going to let them trick me.
Orlando.

It is always amazing to me how each user perceives brands. I think that it is important that we believe in what we purchase. I switched to Canon from Nikon after about 30 years of loyalty because of the run of bad NIkon lenses that I purchased. My Nikon F5 was difficult to depart with. However, at this time I couldn't leave Canon because of the quality of their lenses. I have 8 at this time and I have only returned one due to poor performance. Image Stabilization rules for me.

Bob

Greg Gebhardt said:

darius a said:

Any constructive comment, experience, opnion, insight . . . I have
read many reviews and have a informed idea of the two products.
However, I would be thankful for any constructive comment, opnion,
insight . . . Which one would you go with based on overall quality
of product, software and manafactures support. I am coming from
large format and am looking for overall quality. Thank You - Darius

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I am the owner of both D1 and D1x Nikon cameras. Cannon is ok but
NOTHING equals the Nikon Lenses, for this reason, your choice is
simple.
--
Greg Gebhardt
Jacksonville, Florida

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Nikon really-really needs to work on their image stabilization process. Everyone needs to hold a Canon EOS 1V with a 100-400 IS and a Nikon F5 with the 80-400 VR lens and focus on the same object. First of all you won't be able to hear the Canon focus and the VR will be noisy in comparison. Both are very similar in locking onto the subject.

Bob

orlandoom said:

Dave_oz said:

orlandoom said:

GREATER than the Nikor lenses and many are switching based on IS.
Just MO from what I have researched so far.

Click to expand...

and that's because most of them are based on IS, not overwhole
quality.

you ask about the 2, they say Nikon have better short lenses &
Canon have
better long lenses, you ask why is that, they say because they have
IS, & Nikon don't.
and who's those "they"? God knows how much they know.

Dave

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The" they" are found in the following link with two reviews of the
nikon vr lenses and they state that:
"Canon is for some time now leading in image stabilization lenses
so Nikon had to catch up. That is why many photographers were
waiting how well they will do with their first one. Also Michael
Reichmann was so positive about the Canon 100~400 f/4.5-f/5.6L IS
zoom that I hardly could wait to have a Nikon VR lens in my hands.

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Nikon_VR_80_400/Nikon_VR_80_400.html

Like I said in my original post I am only reading and reseaching in
order to make an informed decision as to which Lenses are best
suited for my needs ( Nature Photography) and then get the best
digital camera to match. The overall reviews are positive for the
lense except its lack of AF-S. But if I look at all lenses on
Photodo.com. Canon betters Nikon on most of its lenes.
Orlando

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Andrew Chiciak said:

Check this site out...I would tend to disagree with Mr.
Gebhart...based on
these shots...the canon lens seems much sharper.

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How could you or anyone make such a judgement from what they see at a internet site. Ridiculous!

The pros don't pick Nikon just for the name, they make their living at it!--Greg GebhardtJacksonville, Florida

Robert Bedwell said:

Bob

Bob, To be convinced of the virtue of IS technology, one needs only to look in a IS binocular. It is amazing how the scene gets stabilized. For the short and light lenses, I am a firm believer of IS, but the problem for me is the long and heavy (400/2.8, 500, and 600mm) these monsters have to be on tripod. How would IS, that is built in on Canon lenses, how would IS help if it have to be turned off?? I would appreciate if you, using your experiences-- that is if you have long lenses. would shed some light on this problem.

Greg Gebhardt said:

darius a said:

Any constructive comment, experience, opnion, insight . . . I have
read many reviews and have a informed idea of the two products.
However, I would be thankful for any constructive comment, opnion,
insight . . . Which one would you go with based on overall quality
of product, software and manafactures support. I am coming from
large format and am looking for overall quality. Thank You - Darius

Click to expand...

I am the owner of both D1 and D1x Nikon cameras. Cannon is ok but
NOTHING equals the Nikon Lenses, for this reason, your choice is
simple.
--
Greg Gebhardt
Jacksonville, Florida

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--baruth

Jerome said:

Wait til February. Crazy to buy either at present.

I love Canon but unless you fit into the Canon 1D profile (I don't)
then the D1X's quality is just as good - perhaps better -and is
cheaper.

Unless you really need a digital slr you don't need a digital slr.

Hire a D1X at least, I think too many people are getting the "I
must have it because it is up to the minute" but unless you need it
these cameras are very expensive and depreciate very rapidly. Would
you buy a new Nikon D1 now? All the rage less than 2 years ago. Do
you shoot every day for cash? If you do fine, if not these cameras
are damn expensive for what they are.....and there will always be
more problems with them than solutions.

Jerome Y

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In America you can buy what you want, IF you have the money. I am not a pro but find I needed a D1x to add to my D1. Can't see doing with a CoolPix! "Expensive" is a relative term. So who can afford get mad at those who can!--Greg GebhardtJacksonville, Florida

orlandoom said:

orlandoom said:

NOTHING equals the Nikon Lenses, for this reason, your choice is
simple.
--
Greg Gebhardt
Jacksonville, Florida

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I have been trying to decide which lense system to go with before
choosing the digital camera and this is the first post I have seen
that says nothing "equals", all the information and examples and
ratings (photodo) says the Canon system does not equal but is
GREATER than the Nikor lenses and many are switching based on IS.
Just MO from what I have researched so far.

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IS is NO warranty for quality images. It just means the poor quality does not come from lens movement. I have used the Nikon stabilized lenses, very nice. To each his own. Some can afford, those who can get mad at those who can!--Greg GebhardtJacksonville, Florida