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Neither one, most are bought by Dr's and Dentists that can afford the best quality without compromise because of price.
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' You don't have to have the best of everything to get the best out of what you do have'.
 
Nothing about autofocus makes a camera more modern then a manual focus camera. Autofocus is a parallel path, not a replacement. It's up there with saying a camera can't be modern if it's not made out of plastic.

Auto focus is not Auto Exposure and other advances that completely replaced their predecessors. It's something some people find as an improvement, others see autofocus as a de-evolution. Take something that works perfect (manual focus), and make it imperfect so you can sell "improved" models to people over and over for the next 20+ years.

I guess Micheal Reichmann is a cave man with that View Camera with the 39MP phase one back and digital lenses.
 
I did not mean to say that the M8 is old fashioned because it doe snot have AF. I use MF a lot myself (on a d70) for the reasons you cite.

I have other arguemtents ... e.g. the huge size for a cemra w/o much inside. I suppose it is all filled up with German clockwork.

Buyt then, I never did like the M series film cameras either ... much too big!
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Stephen M Schwartz
SeattleJew.blogspot.com
 
PhotoTraveler said:
Nothing about autofocus makes a camera more modern then a manual
focus camera. Autofocus is a parallel path, not a replacement.
It's up there with saying a camera can't be modern if it's not made
out of plastic.

Auto focus is not Auto Exposure and other advances that completely
replaced their predecessors. It's something some people find as an
improvement, others see autofocus as a de-evolution. Take something
that works perfect (manual focus), and make it imperfect so you can
sell "improved" models to people over and over for the next 20+
years.
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My typewriter works perfect. Why do I need this de-evolution computer?

--mamallama
 
For some people a typewriter is still better. And still has it's place, like typing info into pre-made printed forms. People still do use them, seriously they do. And still are very strong in a variant form, the label maker.

Anyways, aside from retro value or esthetics and charm, the computer replaced the type writer because it was un-questionably better. Well, after a few years of work. There is very little I can think of that a typerwriter is better at, aside from the example I have above. So computer wins, typewriter dies.

Autofocus fundamentally will never be as good or capable as manual focus (they would have to have some telepathy in there to get it to even come close).

Or to say it another way, you analogy was pointless.
 
mamallama said:
My typewriter works perfectly. Why do I need this de-evolution computer?
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Not a good analogy, your typewriter is outclassed by your PC, in other words there is nothing the typewriter can do that the computer can't.

AF on the other hand I rarely use AF as I don't find it accurate or responsive enough, in other words for me it doesn't work well or outclass MF in al situations (think low light)
 
Stephen Schwartz said:
I did not mean to say that the M8 is old fashioned because it doe
snot have AF. I use MF a lot myself (on a d70) for the reasons you
cite.
I have other arguemtents ... e.g. the huge size for a cemra w/o
much inside. I suppose it is all filled up with German clockwork.

Buyt then, I never did like the M series film cameras either ...
much too big!
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So you use a D70 but find a M too big? mmmm I could be missing something here, but the camera is not huge without much inside, but rather small and packed with tech- try putting a D70 in your jacket pocket!
 
Mark Smith said:
mamallama said:
My typewriter works perfectly. Why do I need this de-evolution computer?
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Not a good analogy, your typewriter is outclassed by your PC, in
other words there is nothing the typewriter can do that the
computer can't.
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Oh yeah?

When I used a typewriter I had to think very carefully about what I was going to type and the spelling and punctuation. And I'd not start to type until I was 100 % certain because it was a PITA to correct anything, even a misplaced comma.

With the computer you can start bashing away when the ideas are only half baked and poorly thought through and no one seems to think this is wrong. Make 20 or 30 draft and re-writes and still no one sees it as a problem. And then this attitude creeps into everything else, only I don't like the idea of plumbers doing it in my house and me having to pay for each new draft...

Which means that being unable to go back and edit posts in this forum might just be a good thing...

Regards, David

PS That used to be called an analogy; he muttered thinking about how carefully we shot when colour slides were expensive and we couldn't afford to shot 30 ot 300 in the hopes that one might be OK...
 
David Hughes said:
When I used a typewriter I had to think very carefully about what I
was going to type and the spelling and punctuation. And I'd not
start to type until I was 100 % certain because it was a PITA to
correct anything, even a misplaced comma.
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What you are describing is a feature of the brain not of the technology.
David Hughes124436 said:
With the computer you can start bashing away when the ideas are
only half baked and poorly thought through and no one seems to
think this is wrong. Make 20 or 30 draft and re-writes and still no
one sees it as a problem. And then this attitude creeps into
everything else, only I don't like the idea of plumbers doing it in
my house and me having to pay for each new draft...
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Since when did thinking about your work and how to make it better become a BAD thing? Since when did the question, 'How can I communicate this idea in a better way?' become a BAD question?

It is simply idiotic to think that you should freeze your thoughts at a given point in time and NEVER revisit them. There is a word in the English language for such a person, and that word is 'Luddite'.

If it weren't for incremental improvements, most of Western civilization would not exist today. The whole concept of scientific method is built on the cycle of 1) create a theory, 2) test that theory, 3) revise the theory, and 4) test the revised theory. Your ideas would trap the whole of Western civilization in the 12th century with the islamo-fascists.

--
Never trust a man who spells the word 'cheese' with a 'z'
 
Stephen Schwartz said:
as opposed to artists and teachers ?
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As I mentioned earlier, one of MPW's founders was a dentist, artist, and teacher...

Would you believe one of our faculty is a lawyer who's also competent enough to teach travel photography. (Also the only person I know personally who survived getting mauled by a bear).

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Normally, a signature this small can't open its own jumpgate.

Ciao! Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
David Hughes said:
Mark Smith said:
Not a good analogy, your typewriter is outclassed by your PC, in
other words there is nothing the typewriter can do that the
computer can't.
Click to expand...
Oh yeah?

When I used a typewriter I had to think very carefully about what I
was going to type and the spelling and punctuation. And I'd not
start to type until I was 100 % certain because it was a PITA to
correct anything, even a misplaced comma.
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So you would agree with my point that my PC is better than my typewriter?
David Hughes124436 said:
Which means that being unable to go back and edit posts in this
forum might just be a good thing...
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In your case David it would be a VERY good thing!!!
 
nada
 
Mark Smith said:
mamallama said:
My typewriter works perfectly. Why do I need this de-evolution computer?
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Not a good analogy, your typewriter is outclassed by your PC, in
other words there is nothing the typewriter can do that the
computer can't.

AF on the other hand I rarely use AF as I don't find it accurate or
responsive enough, in other words for me it doesn't work well or
outclass MF in al situations (think low light)
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All situations?? Not responsive enough??? If you can manual focus and track focus on a fast moving subject as accurately and quickly as the TTL phase detection autofocus of available dSLRs you have magician hands and superhuman reaction time. Most of us aren't built like that.

--mamallama
 
mamallama said:
Mark Smith wrote:
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al situations (think low light)
mamallama said:
All situations?? Not responsive enough??? If you can manual focus
and track focus on a fast moving subject as accurately and quickly
as the TTL phase detection autofocus of available dSLRs you have
magician hands and superhuman reaction time. Most of us aren't
built like that.

--mamallama
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No but for some situations like Macro and low light manual focus is better, i reckon that in 75% of situations I can focus faster and more accurately with MF.
 
mamallama said:
All situations?? Not responsive enough??? If you can manual focus
and track focus on a fast moving subject as accurately and quickly
as the TTL phase detection autofocus of available dSLRs you have
magician hands and superhuman reaction time. Most of us aren't
built like that.
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Just to expand on my point, I never claimed "all situations"
what i actually said was this
mamallama said:
AF on the other hand I rarely use AF as I don't find it accurate or responsive enough, in other words for me it > doesn't work well or outclass MF in al situations (think low light)
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The key part in there is "for me it doesn't outclass MF IN ALL SITUATIONS"
here is one:



So when you reply to a post try to read and understand what the post says first, I'm not claiming MF is superior just that for my photography it doesn't work as well
YMMV
Mark
 
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