NV10 Woes

I purchased a new Samsung NV10 earlier this week from Amazon.com. Having used a Samsung L60, I was excited and anticipated the arrival of the NV10. For the last two days, I was delighted with its GUI and gem-like build. Yes, noise is present at all ISO speeds especially above 400. A pass through Neat Image gave very acceptable results though and I was more than willing to live with its deficiencies and small sensor.

This morning the zoom began making a horrible whirring sound and then completely locked up making the camera inoperable. I removed the battery and reinstalled it; however, the problem persisted.

Unfortunately, I had to return it, and decided to not get a replacement. I guess I'm just going to wait out on the NV series and see what develops with Samsung. The NV series is a great step forward in many respects from the typical P&S offerings, but reading about the possible lens problems associated with some NV7's and now with a similar problem with my NV10, has placed me in a wait-and-see attitude.

NV7 lens was not a problem, it was normal for every sample as it seems. It looks like the sound comes from the way the ccd-shake stabilization works. Nothing to worry about.

I have few friends + men with samsung cameras and neither had lens problems. I even tried mine underwater (i let it fall and it was 1-2-3 seconds in the water) - after a day of waiting i tried it and it worked. Never tried it the moment after I got it off the water.

I went to J&R today and asked to see the NV7. The salesman asked me, "why!?" I told him I thought its an interesting camera. He told me they don't sell at all and they are full of problems. He received a lot of complaints from customers about that camera.

Otherwise, how else could there be so many complaints?

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Seattle, WA - Currently Shooting: Nikon S7C, Samsung NV10, Casio EX-S770, Sony H5, FujiFilm F30, Sony-Ericsson K800i (3.2 megapixel cell phone camera), Panasonic GS-400 Camcorder (with 4 megapixel stills).

I guess salespeople spew random excuses without even thinking them through

Captain Marvel said:

Otherwise, how else could there be so many complaints?

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EX-S770, Sony H5, FujiFilm F30, Sony-Ericsson K800i (3.2 megapixel
cell phone camera), Panasonic GS-400 Camcorder (with 4 megapixel
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And did he told you what problems they have? And it's more than normal, most people are buying Sonys and Canons, after all this is normal. If those buyers aren't web lover they wouldn't even know that Samsung has such Sexy cameras.

I have a girlfriend that recently has bouth the NV10 (I actually told her to buy the Panasonic FZ7, but she wanted more mpix...) and she told me that she is very happy with the camera and the only problem was that she makes blurry pictures in dim light w/o no Flash She actually had no idea that this is pretty normal for such cameras/sensors and that's why people buy DSLRs. If these are the reported problems - ok, I'm speechless.

Other than that she had no problems, i've had the chance to take a few pictures ot the NV10.

I purchased the Samsung NV7 about a week ago, someone on this forum posted some photos (tree and kids scarecrow) at various ISO levels.

I have had zero problems with the camera, full manual controls, the image stabilization systems work great, photo qualities are very good, GUI is excellent, as is the video quality.

It was close choice between NV7 and the Fuji F30, the versatility of the NV7 won for me. The F30 is likely to be better at high ISO, though I haven't had the NV7 long enough to be sure. Nor have I tested out how it cleans-up with third-party Noise Reduction software, which I personally prefer over lots of in-camera NR.

Angular Mo.

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Put it this way, there's no incentive for him to lie. First of all, its a pretty expensive camera. Second of all, its a pretty flashy camera. Its easier to sell bling. Third, regardless whether or not it is a good camera a sale is a sale ask Ford salesmen. If he sells five and 3 has problems, wouldn't you conclude the camera is problematic or should he waits till it blows up like Sony batteries after millions are sold?

Whether or not what he said is true I wouldn't know. I did go to Circuit City and checked out the NV3 and NV10. I noticed the flash doesn't close all the way anymore. Most of us will probably never subject our cameras to that kind of public abuse, but most of the cameras there are still in great condition and works perfectly fine. The Samsungs look worn out. So take it for what its worth.

From the picture samples alone, I would say it has surpassed Panasonic in terms of noise at all iso levels. Loving my TZ1 and thought about replacing it with the NV7, but its nowhere near as solid as the TZ1.

The marketing people are right! :-(

Kiril said:

(I actually told her to buy the Panasonic FZ7, but she wanted more
mpix...)

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situman wrote:
Why? > Put it this way, there's no incentive for him to lie.
Answer > ...a sale is a sale...

You can't sell what you don't have. Better (for him), to sell you something else than to have you walk away.
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Guerito said:

Kiril said:

(I actually told her to buy the Panasonic FZ7, but she wanted more
mpix...)

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In fact she wanted more resolution because she is a singer in a band and wanted to make posters and that's the reason she thought FZ7 mpix were not enough - I wasn's sure if FZ7's mpix are enough for her, but the Leica optics should be better + IS. But after all the FZ7 was more expensive and that helped her choice.

I have Samsung V700 and a Panasonic FZ20 and I really want to get NV7, but I would really miss the focus ring for macro photography

I might wait for a Pro 815 replacement and get it next year. I hope they will make it.

Kiril said:

In fact she wanted more resolution because she is a singer in a
band and wanted to make posters and that's the reason she thought
FZ7 mpix were not enough - I wasn's sure if FZ7's mpix are enough
for her, but the Leica optics should be better + IS.

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If that's the case, the FZ7 may have been a better choice for her since the NV10 has an aspect ratio of 4:3 whereas the FZ7 can shoot in poster-friendly 3:2 or 16:9.
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situman said:

Put it this way, there's no incentive for him to lie.

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Sure there is. Didn't you say that he dows not carry that camera? Salespeople always badmouth brands that they don't carry; otherwise how are they going to do their job and sell you something that they do have. I have not heard of any pattern of "problems" with the NV10 other than the usual sporadic stuff that might be user error. If there were "problems" you can bet that people would be all over these forums with them.

I probably was writing too fast. He did have the camera in stock. Damn thing was more expensive than a Sony T series.

situman said:

I probably was writing too fast. He did have the camera in stock.
Damn thing was more expensive than a Sony T series.

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However the Sony has folded optics = lesser lens quality. Also the NV10 has full manual controls, the Sony T series does not as far I know. I also don't know if the Sony T bodies are all metal.

And the 10mpix sensor should be more expensive. Not that many people want those 10mpix in such a sensor size... This a reason that will stop me from buying any camera with 10mpix on a small sensor.

Well it depends which Sony T-series you are comparing to. The older ones (eg T5) are as low as $250.

But regardless the NV10 is currently at $350 (10mp 1/1.8" sensor) and the NV7 (1/2.5") at $400 with a 7x lens vs 3x of the Sony T-series. The NV3, which is the closest competitor to the Sony T-series in terms of size is at $300.

The Sony T10 is at $370 and T50 at $500.

All the Sony T-series are using 1/2.5" sensors.

(prices at jr.com as of right now)

situman said:

I probably was writing too fast. He did have the camera in stock.
Damn thing was more expensive than a Sony T series.

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