Would you mind posting these full size, or crops at 100%? It's impossible to judge noise at sizes smaller than 100%.
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FX-01 indoor ISO 80 question
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BillZM
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I'm not the best person to ask as I'm not up to speed on the Canon offerings. The FX-01 review on this site does a bit of comparison with a newer Canon (pre-IS but noise should be comparable I'd think). I don't think the noise difference between FX-01 and the Canon compacts is that big. Many here will tell you if you want much stronger high ISO performance (and thus flash image quality too I suspect), among smaller cameras the Fuji F10/11/30 are standouts, but they lack IS, they're bulkier, they don't have a 28mm lens, so they're not really fully comparable. I think the FX-01 is a great choice; you'll just have to learn its strengths and weaknesses (like any camera).
BillZM
Senior Member
Here is a post from a prior thread with a few pics. Sorry, don't have these easily available full size. Rest assured the ISO 80 pic prints well at larger sizes, the ISO 200 (straight from cam) prints well at 4x6 and denoised (I'm using Helicon Filter) at much larger sizes.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=19881515
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=19881515
jinhamasaki
Forum Enthusiast
The lens are too soft...
I'll email you the pictures.
I'll email you the pictures.
Thanks, I saw that post and was looking for full size pics. While the image quality isn't that important (it's just for casual pics), I'd rather have relatively clean pics out of the camera than not. I'm not sure what a Helicon filter is, but I'm guessing it's a software filter for removing noise? The Photoshop one seems to work pretty well, but again, I'm looking for clean pics straight out of the camera. I saw a full size sample pic somewhere online (can't remember where now) that showed shadow noise in an outdoor pics at ISO 80, but maybe it was cause by flare or something. The Canon SD800 doesn't seem to suffer from this, but it has soft corners (not that big of a concern for me), is physically larger (big drawback), and costs significantly more (somewhat of a drawback). So, it seems to be a tossup.
Yeah, everyone raves about the Fuji cameras, but the xD cards are a dealbreaker for me cause I already own several GB of both SD and Compactflash, plus I specifically am looking for a camera that zooms out to 28mm.
jinhamasaki
Forum Enthusiast
I'd rather take shadow noise (which really isn't visible at your normal 1024x768 resize or print sizes) and which can be easily fixed.
A soft corner though, is hardly fixable...
A soft corner though, is hardly fixable...
markE59102
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Very, very good points. It was the quality images porduced by that Leica lens that won me over.
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I think corner softness and shadow noise are equally invisible at normal print sizes, but in something like an 8x10, they would probably both be visible. It also depends on the type of photos you're taking. For landscapes, corner softness would be a big issue, but for the party pics I plan on taking, I probably wouldn't notice it. I probably wouldn't notice shadow noise much either in those pics. Someone from the forum sent me full size samples and I think I prefer the way detail is rendered in the SD700 pics I took the other day with a friend's camera. It's almost like the pics from the FX-01 are overprocessed or oversharpened. But apparently there's a "natural" mode that minimizes processing, and hopefully will yield better results. The low price of the FX-01 has me leaning heavily in that direction at this point. If the prices were the same, I'd probably choose the SD800 (which I can only assume renders detail similarly to the SD700, except for the corners). I'm going to head over to B&H next week when they're open again and check out both cameras in person before making my decision.
Thanks, I appreciate it. The first one's a little soft, so it's hard to judge, but the bottom one has that typical Panasonic "crunchiness" that I'm not sure I could get used to. Then again, it's just for casual pics, so I'm gonna check out the FX-01 in person, and if I really like the feel of it, I might go for it. So many people seem to love the camera, so there must be a reason.
BillZM
Senior Member
You're really agonizing over this. The FX-01 is a great choice given all that you have said about how you intend to use the camera. I think you'll find no need for pp noise reduction for most pics up through ISO200 unless you ARE printing one 8x10, then it's worth the time to do some pp noise reduction, right?
murry
Forum Enthusiast
I totally agree with this. After using only Canons for the last 6 years
I switched to the FX-01 mainly for the 28mm lens.
However, after using it for the last 3 months I am impressed with
the performance. I almost cannot get a bad picture now that I am
used to the settings.
As I explained above, I mostly use the ISO200 and I am getting
stunning pictures, in my opinion , better than the Canon point
and shoot. I also own a Canon G5 and I judge the pictures equal
in quality to the G5.
As for the worryworts who complain about noise at ISO200, I
don't see it. I just printed a picture at 8x10 straight from the
camera on a 4 color Canon printer. It is perfect in every way,
perfectly exposed, perfect color and no apparent noise.
My suggestion is, stop agonizing and just buy it, you will be glad you
did and all your friends will be jealous of you (my experience)
Today the FX-01 is at a bargain price of $225.01 at http://www.buydig.com
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Murry
Sounds like a plan. Keep in mind the LCD on the FX01 is oversaturated, so you might see even more noise than usual.
jinhamasaki
Forum Enthusiast
Once you go to 28mm, you can't go back!
jinhamasaki
Forum Enthusiast
You should just go to bestbuy and try all four cameras, FX01, FX07, SD700IS, SD800IS.
Yeah, I probably am agonizing over this too much, but I would like to hold them in person before buying. I think they're attached to those anti-theft devices as Best Buy, so it's hard to guage feel and size, so I'll wait until B&H opens up again so I can get a true sense of their feel. Plus, it's an excuse to go to B&H!
Thanks everyone for all your input, it's been very helpful!
Thanks everyone for all your input, it's been very helpful!
BillZM
Senior Member
Traveling with mine, I can't tell you how many times I find myself backing up against a building to just barely get the shot I want at 28mm. At 35mm, none of those shots would have been possible!
BryanS
Senior Member
Take it from a guy who owned the SD300, SD400, SD700IS, and the SD800IS... the FX07 is the best of them by a large margin, IMO. I also tried the FX01 and saw slightly better IQ in the FX07, so for a few dollars more, I went with the newer one.
I don't know what people are looking at when they say that the FX01 has better image quality than the FX07. I just didn't see it.
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BryanS
I don't know what people are looking at when they say that the FX01 has better image quality than the FX07. I just didn't see it.
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BryanS
Eivissa
Active member
I don't know if Les Númeriques is reliable, but I see that the FX01 is slightly better. See also the satue at full zoom.
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=1&ma1=60&mo1=253&p1=1445&ma2=60&mo2=210&p2=1083&ph=4
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